Nearly 75% of Canadians want lower immigration, but Carney continues to embrace the Century Initiative

[I am Groot]

A Nanos poll for the Globe and Mail shows Canadian attitudes towards immigration hardening even as Carney continues to hold to his policy of steady, gradual increases. 60% also want foreign workers of whatever program reduced, but Carney says business wants it, and what business wants, business gets. Doug Ford wants more immigrants and foreign student-workers and more foreign workers too, and if you're a young Canadian who can't find a job, Doug has little sympathy "Look harder," he said today.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-immigration-temporary-residents/

[Shady]

The only way to end the madness and the strain on housing and health care is to elect Pierre.

[paxamericana]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

The only way to end the madness and the strain on housing and health care is to elect Pierre.

Canada is captured by the globalist elite of Davos and the IMF. Leadership change is not enough, you need wholesale Trump style gutting of the bureaucratic deep state. In short you need a Canadian DOGE and project 2025/6

Edited September 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[Shady]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Canada is captured by the globalist elite of Davos and the IMF. Leadership change is not enough, you need wholesale Trump style gutting of the bureaucratic deep state. In short you need a Canadian DOGE and project 2025/6

Agreed.  I think Pierre is more than capable of doing just that.  Defunding the CBC would be a good first step, similar to the way Trump defunded PBS and NPR.  A Canadian DOGE would be nice too.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Agreed.  I think Pierre is more than capable of doing just that.  Defunding the CBC would be a good first step, similar to the way Trump defunded PBS and NPR.  A Canadian DOGE would be nice too.

The whole system is corrupt, that’s why changing leader won’t work. They resisted Trump and the British MP Liz Truss in their first term. Trump was ready in his second term though.
 

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[herbie]

13 hours ago, Shady said:

I think Pierre is more than capable of doing just that.  Defunding the CBC would be a good first step

That is why he's a useless tit.

CBC defunding is about the lowest priority in the universe to waste breath talking about. Simply another gut issue gripe and absolutely nothing amounting to progress on any actual relevant issue at all.
Trade issues, housing and public health and like it or not Climate change are the issues and they're incapable of delivering a policy that doesn't make them all worse.

[I am Groot]

Don Wright, Harvard PHD in economics and former head of the BC public service under two different premiers, calls the immigration system Justin Trudeau brought in and which Carney is, to a degree, continuing: the single most significant Canadian public policy blunder since at least the 1930s. He calls the attempt to correct for an aging population using immigration a Ponzi scheme that has no hope of succeeding. 

The largely unplanned surge in population contributed to, inter alia:

· Weakened workers’ bargaining power with employers, particularly for lower-paid workers;

· The resulting “cheap labour strategy” lessened the incentive for business to innovate and invest in productivity improvements;

· Younger Canadians finding it more difficult to get summer employment or that first significant job;

· Canada having the 3^rd worst growth in GDP per capita of 38 OECD countries since 2015;

· More fuel on the fire of our housing crisis;

· Further stress on our already overloaded health care, education and social services systems; and

· Further stress on inadequate transportation infrastructure across the country.

https://donwright.substack.com/p/the-bogus-idea-that-will-not-die

Edited September 14, 2025 by I am Groot

[Gaétan]

This survey reveals not a legitimate concern, but a troubling symptom of social injustice and exclusion.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 9/11/2025 at 1:40 PM, herbie said:

That is why he's a useless tit.

CBC defunding is about the lowest priority in the universe to waste breath talking about. Simply another gut issue gripe and absolutely nothing amounting to progress on any actual relevant issue at all.
Trade issues, housing and public health and like it or not Climate change are the issues and they're incapable of delivering a policy that doesn't make them all worse.

This is whattaboutism.  The political bias of our state media outlet is an issue and needs be rectified.  No healthy democracy should have a politically biased news outlet that even sometimes behaves in a partisan manner in its coverage.  Those who generally agree with the slant of the CBC obviously don't see this as a problem since it reinforces their beliefs.  If you're unable to check your political beliefs at the door if you work at the CBC you shouldn't work there.

[Moonlight Graham]

The Liberals don't care what Canadians actually want unless it costs them votes.  Immigration feathers their tax base and, in their mind, increases their voting base vis-a-vis the CPC.

Carney just announced 16 billion in funding to address the housing crisis.  It's really embarrassing, they always want to throw money at a problem to seem like they're doing something, yet they refuse to actually address the market fundamentals that causes this issue in the first place, which would be free.  Pierre should be very embarrassed that he lost to these fools and his party should be furious.  PP really let us down.

Edited September 15, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is whattaboutism.  The political bias of our state media outlet is an issue and needs be rectified.  No healthy democracy should have a politically biased news outlet that even sometimes behaves in a partisan manner in its coverage.  Those who generally agree with the slant of the CBC obviously don't see this as a problem since it reinforces their beliefs.  If you're unable to check your political beliefs at the door if you work at the CBC you shouldn't work there.

There is zero chance of it being resolved. Scrapping it is really the only choice at this point.

Immigration is a great way to cover up the weakness in an economy. It artificially boosts the GDP and can help boost certain sectors to make it look like the country is doing far better economically than it is.

That's why Trudeau did it, that's why Carnie is doing it. He is very worried and rightly so then in a month they're going to announce that officially we're in a recession. If he doesn't break that soon people will start looking at this financial genius sideways. Immigration will help him give the appearance that we are out of a recession even if we are not

[herbie]

What I said is whataboutism? The whole point of my post is an opposition totally concerned with that, pointing out shit like CBC funding while actively discouraging climate change issues, and pretending immigrants are the root of the housing problem and pretending tax breaks will fix the problem.
That's whataboutism at its finest. Deflection

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Liberals don't care what Canadians actually want unless it costs them votes.  Immigration feathers their tax base and, in their mind, increases their voting base vis-a-vis the CPC.

Votes win elections. Carney's no fool...

At the Liberal caucus retreat in Edmonton this week, Prime Minister Mark Carney put the immigration system on notice, saying recent levels have not been "sustainable" and a more "focused" approach is required. "It's clear that we must improve our overall immigration policies," he said.

[Moonlight Graham]

19 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Votes win elections. Carney's no fool...

At the Liberal caucus retreat in Edmonton this week, Prime Minister Mark Carney put the immigration system on notice, saying recent levels have not been "sustainable" and a more "focused" approach is required. "It's clear that we must improve our overall immigration policies," he said.

Things politicians say are irrelevant since they often deal in lies to persuade.  We should only consider their actions.   So let's see what he does.

[BeaverFever]

On 9/10/2025 at 8:17 PM, I am Groot said:

A Nanos poll for the Globe and Mail shows Canadian attitudes towards immigration hardening even as Carney continues to hold to his policy of steady, gradual increases. 60% also want foreign workers of whatever program reduced, but Carney says business wants it, and what business wants, business gets. Doug Ford wants more immigrants and foreign student-workers and more foreign workers too, and if you're a young Canadian who can't find a job, Doug has little sympathy "Look harder," he said today.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-immigration-temporary-residents/

Except your link doesn’t say anything about Carney supporting the Century initiative or that there any planned immigration increases. In fact it says the opposite, that the liberals have already reduced immigration and the public supports the planned reduction. 

Almost three-quarters of Canadians favour reducing the number of new immigrants coming here, while two-thirds support the government’s plan to cut the number of temporary residents, a new poll shows…

…More than three in five Canadians support or somewhat support the government reducing its targets for temporary residents until 2027, as set out in its levels plan last year, the poll also found. 

Canada’s population growth slows to a crawl after moves to curb immigration

…In October, 2024, former prime minister Justin Trudeau and then-immigration minister Marc Miller unveiled plans to reduce permanent-resident numbers from 500,000 to 395,000 in 2025, and to 380,000 in 2026. They set a target of 365,000 permanent residents for 2027.

As well as setting targets for permanent residents, Ottawa for the first time last year set targets for temporary residents at 673,650 in 2025, 516,600 in 2026 and 543,600 in 2027.

…According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, there were 214,520 fewer new arrivals of temporary workers and international students in the first half of 2025 than in the same period the year before.

 

I swear if you ever want to see the power of the emotional brain over the rational brain, get a conservative to read a political article and recite back to you what he thinks he read. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Except your link doesn’t say anything about Carney supporting the Century initiative or that there any planned immigration increases.

He's allowing immigration to grossly exceed the plan, 

Canada On Track To Surpass Immigration Targets In 2025

and

Carney adds Century Initiative co-founder to Canada-U.S. council - iPolitics

Honestly beve, you could have found that in 2 seconds. @I am Groot is quite correct. 

I swear if you ever want to see the power of feelings over facts, get a liberal to say literally anything  

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Except your link doesn’t say anything about Carney supporting the Century initiative or that there any planned immigration increases. In fact it says the opposite, that the liberals have already reduced immigration and the public supports the planned reduction. 

With the massive dishonesty that is the traditional mainstay of the Liberal Party, one has to watch what they do, and not so much what they say.

Liberals promised fewer temporary foreign workers, instead we got more

Do you remember when the Liberals in Ottawa promised to curb immigration, which had gotten out of control?

Seems they don’t remember, either, because the latest figures show that they are going well above what they promised to drop them down to.

What’s worse is that even with high unemployment and a housing crisis, a significant percentage of people coming into Canada are temporary residents on a work permit.

“While Canada faces the lowest youth employment since 1998, the Liberals are on track to issue the most temporary foreign worker visas in a single year,” Conservative MP Michelle Rempel Garner said in a statement Monday.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/lilley-liberals-promised-fewer-temporary-205534487.html

Think runaway immigration is being fixed? Think again

The Liberals claim they’ve stopped the flood of temporary workers, foreign students and other immigrants that blew up our housing crisis and devastated the youth job market. Yet Michelle Rempel Garner, the Conservatives’ immigration critic, tells Brian Lilley that the reality is nothing close to what they say. Five-million people remain here on temporary visas. Hundreds of thousands of more people are still being allowed in. And the asylum system is being exploited as a backdoor by thousands more making dubious refugee claims. Rempel Garner explains why we need drastic solutions to close temporary residency programs, weed out unfounded asylum claimants and start sending non-permanent workers home.

Think runaway immigration is being fixed? Think again | National Post

 

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

What I said is whataboutism? The whole point of my post is an opposition totally concerned with that, pointing out shit like CBC funding while actively discouraging climate change issues,

No, they actively discourage the government from hamstringing our economy to reduce carbon emissions when that will make absolutely no difference to global warming.

15 hours ago, herbie said:

and pretending immigrants are the root of the housing problem

‘There is no version of reality where housing supply can be ramped up enough to meet the tidal wave of demand’ - BMO Chief Economist.

https://archive.is/pvyJt

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

With the massive dishonesty that is the traditional mainstay of the Liberal Party, one has to watch what they do, and not so much what they say.

Liberals promised fewer temporary foreign workers, instead we got more

Do you remember when the Liberals in Ottawa promised to curb immigration, which had gotten out of control?

Seems they don’t remember, either, because the latest figures show that they are going well above what they promised to drop them down to.

What’s worse is that even with high unemployment and a housing crisis, a significant percentage of people coming into Canada are temporary residents on a work permit.

“While Canada faces the lowest youth employment since 1998, the Liberals are on track to issue the most temporary foreign worker visas in a single year,” Conservative MP Michelle Rempel Garner said in a statement Monday.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/lilley-liberals-promised-fewer-temporary-205534487.html

Think runaway immigration is being fixed? Think again

The Liberals claim they’ve stopped the flood of temporary workers, foreign students and other immigrants that blew up our housing crisis and devastated the youth job market. Yet Michelle Rempel Garner, the Conservatives’ immigration critic, tells Brian Lilley that the reality is nothing close to what they say. Five-million people remain here on temporary visas. Hundreds of thousands of more people are still being allowed in. And the asylum system is being exploited as a backdoor by thousands more making dubious refugee claims. Rempel Garner explains why we need drastic solutions to close temporary residency programs, weed out unfounded asylum claimants and start sending non-permanent workers home.

Think runaway immigration is being fixed? Think again | National Post

 

Office course those are right-wing editorials not actual news or facts. 

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He's allowing immigration to grossly exceed the plan, 

Canada On Track To Surpass Immigration Targets In 2025

and

Carney adds Century Initiative co-founder to Canada-U.S. council - iPolitics

Honestly beve, you could have found that in 2 seconds. @I am Groot is quite correct. 

I swear if you ever want to see the power of feelings over facts, get a liberal to say literally anything  

You talk about “immigration” like it’s just one figure instead of many different programs for different purposes. We are still accepting scare and rare talent but the main pathways have been all but closed 
 

Just because he appointed someone to a position for which they are qualified doesn’t mean he’s pursuing or endorsing a completely unrelated initiative that the person had supported in the past.   It’s not like Trump and his appointment of Project 2025 ideologues. 
 

Here are the actual facts, once again you 2 are victims of political misinformation 

 

Have work permits under the Temporary Foreign Worker Program surpassed targets, as Poilievre claims?

Janice RodriguesSeptember 9, 2025, 10:00 am

Pierre Poilievre has claimed that the federal government has issued work permits in excess the planned “cap” for 2025.

But the figures presented to support this claim are misleading.

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In a statement published on the Conservative Party website, the party writes that “Carney’s government has issued 105,000 new Temporary Foreign Worker permits in the first six months of 2025 alone. Despite a promised cap of 82,000, the Liberals are on track to issue the most TFW permits ever.”

The figure of 82,000 comes from the federal government’s annual Immigration Levels Plan, and represents not a cap, but rather an intended target for net new arrivals under the TFWP throughout 2025 — that is, new foreign nationals entering Canada on work permits. The purpose of the 82,000 target is to limit the growth in Canada’s temporary resident population.

The 105,000 permits issued from Jan – June 2025, according to the federal government’s data on Open Gov, are inclusive of all permits, including extensions or renewals of existing permits, as well as the issuance of work permits to foreign nationals already in Canada.

In fact, only 33,722 TFWP work permits issued were to new workers entering the country, or roughly 41% of the 82,000 target for 2025, according to data posted by Lena Diab, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship on September 3.

Decline in temporary resident arrivals in 2025

Changes to immigration programs which began in Jan of 2024 have been having their intended effects in reducing temporary resident levels.

Earlier this month, data revealed that new worker arrivals have in fact declined by 50% in 2025.

In the period between January and June 2025, Canada welcomed 125,903 fewer foreign workers as compared to the same period in 2024, according to government data.

In 2024, the government announced its aim to reduce the number of temporary residents in Canada to 5% of the Canada’s overall population by the end of 2026.

In order to do so, the government introduced several changes to the TFWP over the course of 2024:

• Reducing LMIA validity period from 12 months to six months.
• Reducing the workforce cap for employers on TFWP workers from 30% to 20% (except in selected high-priority sectors like construction and healthcare).
• Within the low-wage stream of the TFWP, reducing the workforce cap from 20% to 10%, and limiting the maximum employment duration from two years to one year.
• A moratorium on the processing of low-wage LMIA applications in census metropolitan areas with an unemployment rate of 6% or higher.
• Increasing the minimum wagethreshold for employers looking to hire through the TFWP’s high-wage stream by 20% above the provincial/territorial median hourly wage.
• Making it compulsory for job offers to be assessed; employers are no longer able to use attestations from professional accountants or lawyers to prove business legitimacy.

….

https://www.cicnews.com/2025/09/have-work-permits-under-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-surpassed-targets-as-poilievre-claims-0959579.html/amp

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You talk about “immigration” like it’s just one figure instead of many different programs for different purposes. We are still accepting scare and rare talent but the main pathways have been all but closed 

Total immigration is one figure. Taking 10 people and dividing them into two groups still equals 10 people.

We have a problem with excessive immigration the moment. The immigration is a stripping our ability to expand our support networks and resources. The liberal government briefly slowed down but is now on track for historic highs yet again

Nothing complicated about that

[herbie]

No, the actual problem is you want people to believe immigration is 'excessive'. So you can blame it as the root of all evil and distract from everything else.
Carney has the sense to slow it down somewhat and ignore some maliciously misinterpreted result of a poll.

[suds]

On 9/14/2025 at 12:39 PM, I am Groot said:

Don Wright, Harvard PHD in economics and former head of the BC public service under two different premiers, calls the immigration system Justin Trudeau brought in and which Carney is, to a degree, continuing: the single most significant Canadian public policy blunder since at least the 1930s. He calls the attempt to correct for an aging population using immigration a Ponzi scheme that has no hope of succeeding. 

The largely unplanned surge in population contributed to, inter alia:

· Weakened workers’ bargaining power with employers, particularly for lower-paid workers;

· The resulting “cheap labour strategy” lessened the incentive for business to innovate and invest in productivity improvements;

· Younger Canadians finding it more difficult to get summer employment or that first significant job;

· Canada having the 3^rd worst growth in GDP per capita of 38 OECD countries since 2015;

· More fuel on the fire of our housing crisis;

· Further stress on our already overloaded health care, education and social services systems; and

· Further stress on inadequate transportation infrastructure across the country.

https://donwright.substack.com/p/the-bogus-idea-that-will-not-die

Thanks for the Don Wright article. What I found most interesting was the 2018 study done by the CD Howe Institute (Robson and Mahbouti). They basically did 3 simulations on how immigration would deal with Canada's aging population between 2017 and 2067. The key indicator they tracked was the ratio between the past-retirement age population to the working age population (OAD) or old age dependency ratio.

The simulations .......1) A baseline scenario where immigration levels continued at pre-Trudeau levels. 2) Immigration levels rising at the rate recommended by Trudeau's 'Advisory Council on Economic Growth'. 3) Calculations on how much immigration levels would have  to rise to stabilize OAD by 2067.

Results....  1) Pre-Trudeau baseline scenario where the OAD is 36.3% in 2067.  2) Trudeau's level of immigration based on recommendations where the OAD is 33.8%  3) In order to level off the OAD in 2067, Canada's population would have to rise to 156.3 million.  Yes Virginia, this is a ponzi scheme, set up to make GDP numbers look good for the next election. It accomplishes nothing except a load of very bad unintended consequences.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

No, the actual problem is you want people to believe immigration is 'excessive'. 

Virtually everyone thinks immigration is excessive. It's especially excessive in that it's mainly bringing to Canada people who will never integrate into our society and values, people who have no job skills, no language skills, and will always be a drag on the economy and the social welfare budgets of every government under which they reside.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

No, the actual problem is you want people to believe immigration is 'excessive'. So you can blame it as the root of all evil and distract from everything else.
Carney has the sense to slow it down somewhat and ignore some maliciously misinterpreted result of a poll.

Immigration is excessive. 75% of Canadians think so, virtually all of the banks, Trudeau's own people warned him that it was excessive and would cause serious financial hardships with regards to rental

So whether I wanted or not it's still true. Which is why you couldn't refute it and tried to attack me personally rather than deal with the facts

[WestCanMan]

On 9/10/2025 at 5:17 PM, I am Groot said:

A Nanos poll for the Globe and Mail shows Canadian attitudes towards immigration hardening even as Carney continues to hold to his policy of steady, gradual increases. 60% also want foreign workers of whatever program reduced, but Carney says business wants it, and what business wants, business gets. Doug Ford wants more immigrants and foreign student-workers and more foreign workers too, and if you're a young Canadian who can't find a job, Doug has little sympathy "Look harder," he said today.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-immigration-temporary-residents/

So, at least 25% of Canadians want one thing and voted for the exact opposite lol. 

That's a really sad proof of how dumb left4rd cultists are.