Charlie Kirk shot!

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

But he is a prominant Republican, not some nobody shrieking into the ether.

Sort of. He's not actually an elected official. He's connected to the party and I agree 100% that it's a joke that's in bad taste and while he is a private citizen he really should know better than that kind of crap.

But it's not the same as applauding or encouraging or excusing political violence. That is on a whole different level

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Not to mention you are totally exaggerating the number of nobodies who disrespected Charlie's death. Lacking any real examples, you guys even tried to accuse me of doing that until I totally showed how that was a lie.

I'm not even coming close to exaggerating. 

And it's not surprising, it's in keeping with the polling which I posted to you before which shows especially amongst the youth with regards to democrats and other left-leaning people you get close to 40 to 50%, the leaving that political violence is justified in some cases.

I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it's all left leading people by any stretch of the imagination. But it is a very large percentage, shockingly so. Many many times more people than on the right when it comes to excusing political violence.

Again I would remind you that only a few months ago it was reported that Biden was dying from an illness and while a few people here began to make jokes about how it couldn't happen to a nicer person and such myself and many others stood up and said hey, as much as we hate this guy it is wrong to revel in his death just because he's a political opponent.

That was the right wing response you can see it right here on this very board. And that wasn't even about political violence or the like.

On the left we saw the same sort of reaction we're seeing now when Soon to be president trump was shot.

Sorry, you're absolutely losing this one 100%. The right tends to take this stuff pretty seriously and recognizes that it is absolutely abhorrent regardless of the politics of the people involved for this kind of thing to happen. The left believes that this stuff is appropriate if the person that is injured or killed is a political figure that they don't like.

It's just that simple

[Legato]

5 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Shriek! Cancel culture! Shriek!

 

I’ve never seen people so blatantly try to exploit an event to divide society and further a culture war. Putin would be proud of you.

Can you provide any examples of culture from the left that are worth cancelling?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It was political violence, just like when you guys killed the Minnesota senator and just like when you guys shot Gabby Giffords. You can lie about it all you want in long, unreadable posts, but that doesn't change reality.

It wasn't political violence. Paul isn't politician and the guy didn't show up there to be violent. He didn't even Bonk Paul because of politics, he did it out of anger cuz the cops showed up. He was talking peacefully with Paul for an hour before that.

In what way was it political violence?

[Chrissy1979]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It wasn't political violence. Paul isn't politician and the guy didn't show up there to be violent. He didn't even Bonk Paul because of politics, he did it out of anger cuz the cops showed up. He was talking peacefully with Paul for an hour before that.

In what way was it political violence?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/the-man-accused-of-attacking-paul-pelosi-with-a-hammer-says-he-wanted-to-end-corruption

[Chrissy1979]

So he broke into Pelosi’s house intending to “break her kneecaps” because he heard right-wing misinformation online and wound up nearly killing her husband, and you’re trying to misrepresent it as unpolitical. That’s almost as bad as lying about the testimony of a rape victim to defend a paedophile.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/the-man-accused-of-attacking-paul-pelosi-with-a-hammer-says-he-wanted-to-end-corruption

Umm....  your article shows that it wasn't political violence. 

From your own source:

" He did not deny bludgeoning Paul Pelosi, saying he reacted after realizing his larger plan might be unraveling."

Paul wasn't the person he went there to talk with, And he didn't hit paul as part of a political protest, he did it as a 'reaction' to the police showing up and his "plan" to fight gov't corruption in general unravelling. 

In fact it doesn't look like he meant to attack Nancy either had she been there. His intent wasn't violence. 

Soooo.... thank's for proving it wasn't political violence  The guy freaked out when the cops showed up and swung a hammer at someone who wasn't even the person he was looking for  LOLOL you're such a twat  

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

So he broke into Pelosi’s house intending to “break her kneecaps” because he heard right-wing misinformation online and wound up nearly killing her husband, and you’re trying to misrepresent it as unpolitical.

More like he was interested in questioning her and threatening to break her knee caps. Again from your own source:

"He said if she told him the truth, he would let her go "

Confinement is a kind of violence so in a very general sense maybe? But his intent was to get to the truth not to be violent as his primary objective.

And as you point out he didn't actually get a chance, and the violence he committed was in reaction to the police showing up and getting caught rather than out of political motivation.

It's unpolitical, you literally proved it yourself with your own source. It was not after Paul Pelosi, Paul Pelosi wasn't a political figure, he had no intention of harming Paul Pelosi, he did so in a moment of panic when the cops showed up.

Violence yes, political no

That's almost as bad as falsely claiming that the president was accused of rape by a minor when you know it's not true  

[Chrissy1979]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Umm....  your article shows that it wasn't political violence. 

From your own source:

" He did not deny bludgeoning Paul Pelosi, saying he reacted after realizing his larger plan might be unraveling."

Paul wasn't the person he went there to talk with, And he didn't hit paul as part of a political protest, he did it as a 'reaction' to the police showing up and his "plan" to fight gov't corruption in general unravelling. 

In fact it doesn't look like he meant to attack Nancy either had she been there. His intent wasn't violence. 

Soooo.... thank's for proving it wasn't political violence  The guy freaked out when the cops showed up and swung a hammer at someone who wasn't even the person he was looking for  LOLOL you're such a twat  

It was violent and it happened because of politics. You can play word games and believe every word of his defence without question but, again, you aren’t fooling anyone.

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It was violent and it happened because of politics. You can play word games and believe every word of his defence without question but, again, you aren’t fooling anyone.

Political violence is what ended Charlie Kirk.

Honestly, it's pretty f*cking unbelievable that you cultists are even on this thread. 

[Chrissy1979]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Political violence is what ended Charlie Kirk.

Yes, it is. I guess Cdnfox would argue it wasn’t political because he only did it because he thought he was hateful. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, it is. I guess Cdnfox would argue it wasn’t political because he only did it because he thought he was hateful. 

For leftoids, hate goes hand in hand with politics. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It was violent

That much is true. You see, if you try really really hard you can tell the truth sometimes!   Maybe do that more

57 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

and it happened because of politics

No, the violence had nothing to do with politics.  He went there to confront a politiican.  But that didn't happen, that person wasn't home.  And he was not violent with the person who WAS at home until the police showed up and he panicked realizing he was going to be caught in a crime.  So it was just an act of violence.  No politics involved in the violence at all, he didn't have a problem with paul. 

Sorry, complete swing and a miss on your part. 

59 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You can play word games and believe every word of his defence without question but, again, you aren’t fooling anyone.

Kid. There's no need to 'fool' anyone.  Everyone can see what this is.  Just as everyone can see how desperate you are. 

A nutbar went looking for a politician and didn't find them, and had a nice long talk with the husband who shared beers with him as  i recall and then when the cops showed up the guy freaked out about the police and bonked the guy.  Violence sure but not political.  No word games needed. He did not hit paul to send a political message. 

24 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, it is. I guess Cdnfox would argue it wasn’t political because he only did it because he thought he was hateful. 

He did it because he didn't like his politics. 

ANd more importantly, he planned to do it and shot the person he intended to shoot. 

See how that works?   

when you stalk and shoot  a political figure to send a political message then it's political violence.  Pretty simple.' 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Deluge said:

For leftoids, hate goes hand in hand with politics. 

THere's no doubt that what we see today is the politics of hate.  Anyone who doesn't hate trump is a 'nazi'.  

 

[Chrissy1979]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That much is true. You see, if you try really really hard you can tell the truth sometimes!   Maybe do that more

No, the violence had nothing to do with politics.  He went there to confront a politiican.  But that didn't happen, that person wasn't home.  And he was not violent with the person who WAS at home until the police showed up and he panicked realizing he was going to be caught in a crime.  So it was just an act of violence.  No politics involved in the violence at all, he didn't have a problem with paul. 

Sorry, complete swing and a miss on your part. 

Kid. There's no need to 'fool' anyone.  Everyone can see what this is.  Just as everyone can see how desperate you are. 

A nutbar went looking for a politician and didn't find them, and had a nice long talk with the husband who shared beers with him as  i recall and then when the cops showed up the guy freaked out about the police and bonked the guy.  Violence sure but not political.  No word games needed. He did not hit paul to send a political message. 

He did it because he didn't like his politics. 

ANd more importantly, he planned to do it and shot the person he intended to shoot. 

See how that works?   

when you stalk and shoot  a political figure to send a political message then it's political violence.  Pretty simple.' 

You’re playing semantics to defend political violence. And you’re not even good at it.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, User said:

Here what goes? You didn't offer any quotes or examples for what he was doing or saying. 

Just your usual spin that who knows how much of it is complete distorted BS, likely almost all of it. 

Its the major headline of the day, do you really need quotes? Here YOU go, direct quote from the Dictator On Day One and his minions bolded, I’ve shortened the article for your reading pleasure   Just so we’re clear the self-professed “freedom of speech”party which has long claimed they oppose “hate speech” laws and defended “the freedom to offend”

is now claiming that stating the obvious observation that Trump is “unfit for office” is hate speech that must be punished and silenced  

Trump vows crackdown on left-wing groups after Charlie Kirk’s assassination

U.S. President Donald Trump is vowing to have left-wing activist groups investigated as criminal organizations in the wake of the assassination of MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk.

Members of his administration and right-wing activists, meanwhile, are working to identify people who criticized Mr. Kirk online after his killing and have them fired from their jobs.

Mr. Trump is also launching a US$15-billion libel suit against the New York Times and several of its staffers whose critical coverage of him has long irked him.

Mr. Trump on Monday said he had asked Attorney-General Pam Bondi to bring Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO, charges against organizations involved in protests against his policies.

“We have some pretty radical groups and they got away with murder,” the President told reporters in the Oval Office. “They should be put in jail. What they’re doing to this country is really subversive.”

Mr. Trump accused these groups of “putting up millions and millions of dollars for agitation,” including protests against immigration raids in Los Angeles and a group of pro-Palestinian protesters who heckled him during a visit to a Washington steakhouse earlier this month.

 

The President presented no evidence that either protest was backed by large amounts of money. He did not specify which groups he wanted investigated but said he was open to designating antifa, a broad left-wing anti-fascist movement, as a domestic terror organization.

Racketeering laws are typically used to prosecute members of the mafia, Hells Angels and other accused gangsters. Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election were the subject of a state-level RICO prosecution in Georgia, which is still unresolved.

On Tuesday, he suggested he might also target media organizations. Asked by an ABC reporter about the line between freedom of speech and hate speech, Mr. Trump replied: “We’ll probably go after people like you, because you treat me unfairly. It’s hate. You have a lot of hate in your heart. Maybe they’ll come after ABC.”

 

 

White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said groups behind Black Lives Matter protests would be targeted. He said that, the day before his death, Mr. Kirk had told him: “We need to have an organized strategy to go after the left-wing organizations that are promoting violence in this country.”

Speaking on a Monday podcast episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, hosted by Vice-President JD Vance, Mr. Miller alleged that there was an “organized campaign” that led to Mr. Kirk’s assassination and a “vast domestic terror movement” behind protests and efforts to “dox” conservatives, the practice of publishing someone’s personal information, such as address, contact information or employer.

Mr. Vance said the administration would crack down on “radical left lunatics” in NGOs. He did not specify which groups would be targeted, but suggested they could include charities the Ford Foundation and the Open Society Foundations, the latter of which was founded by liberal billionaire George Soros.

…So far, police have indicated that the suspect in the shooting, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, acted alone. They have not said whether he was part of any political group.

…MAGA influencers and some government officials, for their part, are running a campaign to ensure people who said negative things about Mr. Kirk after his death are punished.

…Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell and Navy Secretary John Phelan have both warned that service members or civilian employees celebrating the killing would face consequences. Activists such as Laura Loomer are naming people who have made anti-Kirk comments and alerting their employers.

So far, dozens if not hundreds of people have been fired or suspended for social media posts on Mr. Kirk. Some had celebrated or made light of the assassination, while others appear only to have criticized him.

Karen Attiah, an opinion columnist for the Washington Post, said she was fired for writing on the Bluesky platform that she did not believe “white America” would take any action to prevent similar assassinations or mass shootings in the future. 

In another post, she highlighted Mr. Kirk’s 2023 comment that Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson and other powerful Black women “do not have the brain processing power” to succeed without affirmative action.

In a Substack post, Ms. Attiah wrote that the newspaper told her that her posts were “gross misconduct” and had endangered her colleagues’ safety.

…Mr. Trump also took action against the New York Times late on Monday with a libel suit filed in Florida. Among other things, he complains about the paper describing him as “unworthy” of the presidency in its endorsement of Democrat Kamala Harris in the 2024 election.

The campaign against Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Kirk’s detractors follows years of his supporters accusing the left of engaging in “cancel culture” for shaming conservatives online.

Ms. Bondi on Monday, however, argued that there must be limits to free speech.

“There’s free speech and then there’s hate speech. And there’s no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society,” she said on The Katie Miller Podcast. “We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.”

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-trump-crackdown-charlie-kirk/

 

Edited September 17, 2025 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

Time for a flashback on hateful violent Right

 

Marjorie Taylor Greene reportedly endorsed executing Democrats on Facebook before she was elected to Congress.

Published Jan. 27, 2021Updated Jan. 29, 2021

 

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a first-term Georgia Republican, repeatedly endorsed executing top Democratic politicians on social media before she was elected to Congress, including telling a follower who asked if they could hang former President Barack Obama that the “stage is being set.”

A review of Ms. Greene’s social media accounts, first reported by CNN, found that she repeatedly liked posts on Facebook that discussed the prospect of violence against Democratic lawmakers and employees of the federal government. Ms. Greene liked a Facebook comment in January 2019 that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and liked another about executing F.B.I. agents.

After a Facebook follower asked Ms. Greene “Now do we get to hang them,” referring to Mr. Obama and Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential nominee, Ms. Greene responded: “Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off.”
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/us/marjorie-taylor-greene-executing-democrats.html?smid=url-share

[User]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Its the major headline of the day, do you really need quotes?

This is such a stupid petty tactic to spam with a full copy paste of a big article because you are too lazy or inept to simply snip the parts that say what you did. 

Here, let me remind you of the BS claim you made:

"Trump threatens to outlaw them and any groups protesting his policies, suggests any media criticism of him could also be targeted as hate speech as well ."

Edited September 17, 2025 by User

[gatomontes99]

Newsweek:

Phoenix Police posted on X, "This morning PPD was notified about a suspicious bag in the area of 49th St. and Beverly Rd. In the abundance of caution and for the safety of those in the area, this location has been cleared and the PPD Bomb Squad has responded. There is not a threat attached to the incident."

Just before 1 p.m. ET, Phoenix Police said on X, "The bag has been deemed safe. Bomb Squad is no longer investigating the area. Restrictions will be lifted shortly."

**********

Apparently it wasn't a bomb, but a suspicious bag was found just outside TPUSA headquarters. If this turns out to be some sort of hoax designed to scare TPUSA, it needs to be upgraded to terrorism. This shìt is not cute. It is not funny. It is not a game. 

[gatomontes99]

21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Newsweek:

Phoenix Police posted on X, "This morning PPD was notified about a suspicious bag in the area of 49th St. and Beverly Rd. In the abundance of caution and for the safety of those in the area, this location has been cleared and the PPD Bomb Squad has responded. There is not a threat attached to the incident."

Just before 1 p.m. ET, Phoenix Police said on X, "The bag has been deemed safe. Bomb Squad is no longer investigating the area. Restrictions will be lifted shortly."

**********

Apparently it wasn't a bomb, but a suspicious bag was found just outside TPUSA headquarters. If this turns out to be some sort of hoax designed to scare TPUSA, it needs to be upgraded to terrorism. This shìt is not cute. It is not funny. It is not a game. 

And yesterday this was posted? 

 

 

[Chrissy1979]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That much is true. You see, if you try really really hard you can tell the truth sometimes!   Maybe do that more

No, the violence had nothing to do with politics.  He went there to confront a politiican.  But that didn't happen, that person wasn't home.  And he was not violent with the person who WAS at home until the police showed up and he panicked realizing he was going to be caught in a crime.  So it was just an act of violence.  No politics involved in the violence at all, he didn't have a problem with paul. 

Sorry, complete swing and a miss on your part. 

Kid. There's no need to 'fool' anyone.  Everyone can see what this is.  Just as everyone can see how desperate you are. 

A nutbar went looking for a politician and didn't find them, and had a nice long talk with the husband who shared beers with him as  i recall and then when the cops showed up the guy freaked out about the police and bonked the guy.  Violence sure but not political.  No word games needed. He did not hit paul to send a political message. 

He did it because he didn't like his politics. 

ANd more importantly, he planned to do it and shot the person he intended to shoot. 

See how that works?   

when you stalk and shoot  a political figure to send a political message then it's political violence.  Pretty simple.' 

He said he had a plan to break Nancy’s kneecaps. How come you accept every word of his defence without question but ignore that part?

44 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Newsweek:

Phoenix Police posted on X, "This morning PPD was notified about a suspicious bag in the area of 49th St. and Beverly Rd. In the abundance of caution and for the safety of those in the area, this location has been cleared and the PPD Bomb Squad has responded. There is not a threat attached to the incident."

Just before 1 p.m. ET, Phoenix Police said on X, "The bag has been deemed safe. Bomb Squad is no longer investigating the area. Restrictions will be lifted shortly."

**********

Apparently it wasn't a bomb, but a suspicious bag was found just outside TPUSA headquarters. If this turns out to be some sort of hoax designed to scare TPUSA, it needs to be upgraded to terrorism. This shìt is not cute. It is not funny. It is not a game. 

We’ve already reached the point where you hysterical cowards want to make losing your purse a terrorist act? 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

He said he had a plan to break Nancy’s kneecaps.

Did he break Nancy's kneecaps? No?

So what you're saying is he had a plan for violence in the event that he didn't get what he wanted but that the plan never materialized

And I didn't ignore that part. I specifically mentioned that part in addressed it. How come you can't read?

 

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We’ve already reached the point where you hysterical cowards want to make losing your purse a terrorist act

I have no idea what you're blathering about now and I doubt that you do either.

I get that you get emotional when you're sad attempts to deflect or present ludicrous arguments wind up with you having egg on your face. But you have to remember that that's a you problem not a me problem.

As we have demonstrated the left is vastly more accepting of political violence and really that's terrible.

[Chrissy1979]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Did he break Nancy's kneecaps? No?

So what you're saying is he had a plan for violence in the event that he didn't get what he wanted but that the plan never materialized

And I didn't ignore that part. I specifically mentioned that part in addressed it. How come you can't read?

 

I have no idea what you're blathering about now and I doubt that you do either.

I get that you get emotional when you're sad attempts to deflect or present ludicrous arguments wind up with you having egg on your face. But you have to remember that that's a you problem not a me problem.

As we have demonstrated the left is vastly more accepting of political violence and really that's terrible.

So we’ve established that you’ll lie for paedophiles and political terrorists. Anyone else?

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

So we’ve established that you’ll lie for paedophiles and political terrorists. Anyone else?

Talking to the mirror again?  

Awww little crissy, it must be so frustrating for you to always wind up looking like a twat that nobody cares about  

But I have to admit it's disappointing to see you condone political violence, I would have thought you'd have drawn the line at least there. Hopeless optimism on my part I guess

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, User said:

This is such a stupid petty tactic to spam with a full copy paste of a big article because you are too lazy or inept to simply snip the parts that say what you did. 

Here, let me remind you of the BS claim you made:

"Trump threatens to outlaw them and any groups protesting his policies, suggests any media criticism of him could also be targeted as hate speech as well ."

As I clearly said it was NOT a full copy paste of the article just the relevant sections which contained multiple quotes which I took the added effort to bold for you because know all you MAGA posters are ADHD underachievers who don’t read anything longer than a few sentences. It would have been easier to just copy the entire thing, trust me. 
 

And as if you need more proof, Trump administration has pulled Jimmy Kiel off the air and canceled his show for verboten speech  What did Kimmel say? He said “we hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.”

Not hate speech. Not denigrating Kirk. But its wrongthink in the Dictator On Day One’s new authoritarian order. 

So much for believing in free speech you fascists. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

As I clearly said it was NOT a full copy paste

It might as well have been... it was just lazy spam that served no purpose. 

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And as if you need more proof, Trump administration has pulled Jimmy Kiel off the air and canceled his show for verboten speech  What did Kimmel say?

You are a clown. Trump did not pull him off the air. You will say any lie. 

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So much for believing in free speech you fascists. 

Come back when you have something more than your made-up delusions to offer.