Charlie Kirk shot!

[Greg]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

? He didn't say more guns equals more violence, he said more guns means more shootings. There is no doubt about that.

Guns cause homicides?

That’s your argument? 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Seriously? He didn't say more guns equals more violence, he said more guns means more shootings. There is no doubt about that.

Homicide rate per 100K population

Japan  0.233

Canada  2.273

USA  5.763

Except... you are looking at national numbers. If more guns meant more shootings, Plano, TX would be the gun violence capital of the world. 

Oh wait... it isn't. 

 

[CouchPotato]

28 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

"live by the sword, die by the sword" applies.  

No it doesn't. And that's not what the saying means. To live by the sword means to live a life of violence. You can believe someone has the right to own a gun and not be violent. 

That line comes from the Bible. Maybe you know this. When Jesus is arrested, Peter tries to defend him, and Jesus urges him not to, saying that those who live by the sword, die by the sword. But Jesus had spent the entire night with Peter and the disciples before he was arrested, and he was well aware that Peter had a sword and said nothing about it. In fact, it was Jesus who earlier recommended his disciples carry a sword.

Edited September 11, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Shady]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Seriously? He didn't say more guns equals more violence, he said more guns means more shootings. There is no doubt about that.

Homicide rate per 100K population

Japan  0.233

Canada  2.273

USA  5.763

Homicide rates don’t capture all violence, just fatal violence.  Regardless, homicide rates have more to do with culture.  And as I’ve already said, Canada per capita has more guns.  Anyone in Canada could walk into a school with a hunting rifle and kill several people before law enforcement showed up.  But it doesn’t happen.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

No it doesn't. And that's not what the saying means. To live by the sword means to live a life of violence. You can believe someone has the right to own a gun and not be violent. 

That line comes from the Bible. Maybe you know this. When Jesus is arrested, Peter tries to defend him, and Jesus urges him not to, saying that those who live by the sword, die by the sword. But Jesus had spent the entire night with Peter and the disciples before he was arrested, and he was well aware that Peter had a sword and said nothing about it. In fact, it was Jesus who earlier recommended his disciples carry a sword.

Exactly.  It applies to someone that isn’t very smart.  He also doesn’t understand that getting rid of the second amendment only sends the issue back to individual states to regulate.  These Canadian “American constitutional experts” always make me laugh.  They’re the dumbest experts around.

[CouchPotato]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Homicide rates don’t capture all violence, just fatal violence.  Regardless, homicide rates have more to do with culture.  And as I’ve already said, Canada per capita has more guns.  Anyone in Canada could walk into a school with a hunting rifle and kill several people before law enforcement showed up.  But it doesn’t happen.

I think it's really unfair to compare USA and Canada when it comes to things like this. Canada is a much larger land mass with way fewer people. Canada is like a small town compared to the US. It's like comparing Mayberry to Detroit. And even so, now we see crime rapidly getting worse in Canada. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by CouchPotato

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just shocking. I had assumed he was just injured at first. I see the suspect arrested earlier has been released. Let’s hope they catch the shooter soon. I don’t think they have yet? 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Thanks collusion-boy. I mean vax-boy. Or is it "mostly peaceful protest boy"? Fauci boy? Mentally fit Biden boy? 

Dammit, Beave, I don't even know what to call you anymore. Tinfoil-hat boy? Sure, let's go with that. 

LMAO ok election denying, insurrection-denying anti-vax boy

[Deluge]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Who knew fomenting so much division could make you a target for violence. 

It's curious that more democrats aren't shot then, because fomenting is all you flag burning degenerates do. 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh please...

 

You don’t need to beg, a simple “thank you” for the education will suffice. 

[TreeBeard]

54 minutes ago, Shady said:

Canada doesn’t have the second amendment and there are more guns per capita than in the United States.

Wrong once again.  Lying?  Or just really ignorant?  
 

USA has 3.5 times more guns per capita than Canada. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

Edited September 11, 2025 by TreeBeard

[SpankyMcFarland]

It’s a horrible dilemma for politicians. A robust level of security stifles their contact with the public and stops them doing their job properly. Kirk insisted on meeting young people without too much restriction. If a country is to stay truly free they will have to take these daunting risks. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[BeaverFever]

33 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I think it's really unfair to compare USA and Canada when it comes to things like this. Canada is a much larger land mass with way fewer people. Canada is like a small town compared to the US. It's like comparing Mayberry to Detroit. And even so, now we see crime rapidly getting worse in Canada. 

Actually the communities where people live actually have higher population densities in Canada than in USA.  It doesn’t matter how sparsely populated the high arctic is, people live more closely together in Canada than USA.  Americans are more likely to live in massively sprawling suburbs with way lower density than Canadian communities. Americans are only denser intellectually 😉

So I don’t think population is relevant, unless someone can show that lower density contributes to more shootings, perhaps it causes people to be more estranged and fearful of others or causes more road rage or something  

I tried unsuccessfully to explain this to people during covid as some were trying to claim out lower population density explains our better survival and infection rates compared to USA, as if you can stand in an elevator getting coughed on and not get sick just because the arctic is mostly uninhabited or something. 

[TreeBeard]

52 minutes ago, Greg said:

Guns cause homicides?

That’s your argument? 

“Guns cause homicides”.  
 

Sort of?   More guns makes it much easier to have more homicides.  The evidence is really clear. 
 

https://rockinst.org/blog/more-guns-more-death-the-fundamental-fact-that-supports-a-comprehensive-approach-to-reducing-gun-violence-in-america/#:~:text=More guns equals more death,there are more gun deaths.
 

The Evidence

In a scholarly review of the relationship between gun prevalence and homicide almost 20 years ago, Harvard researchers concluded that available evidence supports the hypothesis that greater numbers of guns corresponds to higher rates of homicide.[1] In the years since, the evidence has strengthened at every level of analysis. Further, the hypothesis that more guns equates to more deaths has been supported using many different ways of measuring gun availability and access.

First, having a gun in the home increases the risk that a person will be the victim of a homicide with a gun or commit suicide with a gun.[2],[3] This is true regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home.[4] Put simply, if there is a gun in the home, it is easier for a person to pick it up and use it against a family member, intimate partner, or associate in the midst of a conflict. Similarly, people are more able to attempt suicide during a moment of crisis if a firearm is accessible in the home. Suicides are also far more likely to be completed with a firearm than any other means.[5]

[SpankyMcFarland]

In Newfoundland there’s a genuine reluctance to fly off the handle when arguing politics perhaps because the person you’re talking to is usually a relative or in-law of some sort even if you don’t know it. As a CFA I’m sometimes mistaken for kin but the same courtesy is extended to visibly foreign people as well. A ceiling exists on how wound up you can get on any abstract matter of policy before people start looking at you funny which is a blessing in these fractious times. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You fcks really do just beg for a war to start, dont you.

When I use that saying, it's not because snipers are blowing away unarmed people.

You are one sick fck.!

Fck you Tweenkie-Poo.

^Can't handle the TRUTH.

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Fomenting division? People are allowed to have other opinions. The guy has never been violent. He gets shot and this is your first take.

Do you understand the meaning of "America COMEBACK Tour"? 

America never went ANYWHERE ELSE.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Charlie Kirk fomented DEBATE. Not marksmanship.

Its always you filth...who preach acceptance and inclusion...who start the bullshit. On this forum and in life. You are a cancer on society.

Just disgusting. 

^You are one of the biggest advocates of VIOLENCE and INTOLERANCE HERE. 

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I wonder if anyone ever taught you respect and honor.

Evidently not.

Clearly no one ever taught you respect for the LAW since you continually DEFEND Trump breaking it.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

He has a lot in common. I remember the jokes going around about the Pelosi beating. All I am saying is if anyone can't be outraged about both,  it and the Kirk shooting, they  are a first class hypocrite.

1 thing: mental health issues. 

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you understand the meaning of "America COMEBACK Tour"? 

America never went ANYWHERE ELSE.

Uh ok, Robes. You'll have to elaborate for me. What does this have to do with what I said?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

If I may interject...

Pelosi was not even seriously injured by a maniac who he let in his house.

The police were there when he was attacked.He was not shot defference?

And ya...reports now say they've pronounced Charlie Kirk dead.

For holding

ad by a sniper.

See the subtle di

public debates.

 

You're LYING. DePape broke into the house and and Paul Pelosi was in the hospital for days SERIOUSLY INJURED.

Quote

Paul Pelosi was in the hospital for six days following the hammer attack at his home, which resulted in a fractured skull and injuries to his right arm and hands. He was discharged on November 3, 2022, to continue his recovery at home. 

 

[Shady]

27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Wrong once again.  Lying?  Or just really ignorant?  
 

USA has 3.5 times more guns per capita than Canada. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

My mistake.  I thought we were still at par or higher.  We used to be.  It looks like that has changed, similar to our GDP per capita that’s also shrunk.  Regardless, even by going by your cite, Canada still has 10+ million firearms, and no school shootings.  It’s not because of a lack of guns.  Like I’ve already said, somebody could walk into any school with a simple hunting rifle and kill several people before law enforcement could intervene.  But it doesn’t happen.

[SpankyMcFarland]

I know the alleged distance of the shooter from Kirk that I’ve heard - something like 500-600 feet? - is not impressive for skilled marksmen but it must be a sobering matter for any public speaker to consider. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

More disgusting lies.

Incredible.

"We don't know if...." IS NOT A LIE, lDIOT.

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

I thought we were still at par or higher.  We used to be.

When?

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's impossible not to see any humour in the Pelosi incident, especially when you find out that he was ok at your initial introduction to the story. 

If he was seriously or permanently injured it wouldn't be funny at all, but the old man in his tighty whities pretty much won that fight. 

Broken SKULL is SERIOUS. Duh