Genocide, wtf?

[carepov]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/leading-genocide-scholars-organization-says-israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza

It seems like more and more people are calling the war in Gaza genocide.

I should know better by now, but the mass stupidity out there still flabbergasts me.

This is war. Israel has the capability to do a lot more harm.  If they had intent they would have done it.

Also, while it is not part of the legal definition, when the "victims" have the agency to stop a so-called genocide, then it is not a genocide.  Simple solution for Gazan leadership: release the hostages and surrender.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

Simple solution for Gazan leadership: release the hostages and surrender.

Sounds good.

And then what about Palestine?

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sounds good.

And then what about Palestine?

There is no Palestine. 

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

There is no Palestine. 

Meaning the extermination of Palestinians is the only path to peace. It is what it is I guess.

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Meaning the extermination of Palestinians is the only path to peace. It is what it is I guess.

 

I didn't say that. Don't be such a pu55y.

Edited September 7, 2025 by Nationalist

[carepov]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sounds good.

And then what about Palestine?

What exact physical geography are you referring to?

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

What exact physical geography are you referring to?

To be determined but the region has been called Palestine for 2500 years.

[User]

Well, there are certainly more people calling this a genocide than people you know... actually being killed in this so-called genocide. 

 

[Army Guy]

I found this article at the NP, TRIGGER WARNING for those that support terrorist or Palestine....It is an "opinion piece" and how these recognized inter national organizations have changed the definitions of words like famine, Genocide,  to the benefit of Hamas...to support their mega propaganda machine..it also changed to benefit the lefts talking points....

Opinion: International legal standards are being watered down to demonize Israel

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Since Oct. 7, 2023, Israel has facilitated more than two-million tons of aid into Gaza. Yet, since mid-May, as much as 90 per cent of the aid, according to the UN itself, has been seized by armed groups or looted by people before it can be fairly and properly distributed to families in need.

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The International Court of Justice has been clear in two decisions, where it ruled that genocidal intent must be the only reasonable inference from a state’s conduct. This is simply not the case in the current conflict in Gaza.

Israel’s declared objectives are to dismantle Hamas — which was responsible for the October 7 massacre, itself an attempted genocide of Jews — and to bring its hostages home. Extremist rhetoric from some fringe politicians does not define the state’s policy, which has consistently been framed around those military goals.

 

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Even if we take Hamas’s own casualty figures — which are highly disputed — the numbers, while tragic, do not demonstrate genocide. Civilians make up a heartbreaking share of the dead, as they do in nearly every modern conflict. According to the UN, since the end of the Second World War, civilians have typically accounted for around 90 per cent of wartime casualties — a 9:1 ratio of civilians to combatants.

 

In Gaza, taking the numbers released by Israel and Hamas at face value, the ratio is closer to 2:1. That is still far too many innocent lives lost. But it is markedly lower than many recent western-led urban conflicts, such as Iraq.

 

Opinion: International legal standards are being watered down to demonize Israel

[User]

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I found this article at the NP

It is actually an excellent point. 

Israel is allowing in food, but if Hamas is hoarding it and others are controlling it, then if there is any starvation going on they are doing it to themselves. 

 

[Army Guy]

More disgrace for the UN, yet another high placed member is being sued for defamation for accusation she has made against Christian groups funding Israel actions in Gaza....Does the UN not vet these people, hard to say just how far the Palestinian movement has infiltrated the UN. Just another reason why Canada should withdrawal from this corrupt UN institution.

UN's Albanese sued for accusing Christian groups of financing 'genocide'

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just curious. How many people have been killed or injured in Gaza, ie, what percentage of the population? I presume you might know why I’m asking. An Israeli gentleman who had a fair role in causing those casualties has just provided an estimate of his own. 

Edited September 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Just curious. How many people have been killed or injured in Gaza, ie, what percentage of the population? I presume you might know why I’m asking. An Israeli gentleman who had a fair role in causing those casualties has just provided an estimate of his own. 

The problem is there's no way to sort out the difference between civilian and combat casualties. Hamas reports all deaths as the same without distinguishing whether they are civilian or military. You can't even tell by sex or age because there are plenty of women amass fighters and there are plenty of children or young people who run ammo for them as mules and such

At the end of the day though for something to be a genocide there has to be an intent to either wipe out a group of people or at the very least scatter them and drive them away. And frankly that last definition I don't find to be genocide. Not that I find it to be a good thing but genocide to me is the slaughter of a population

And while many people are dying the goal of Israel is obviously to wipe out a mass and destroy the military capability of Gaza. If all they wanted to do is kill civilians that body count would be radically higher. I don't think they're being particularly cautious anymore but I think they're targeting what they believe to be military targets and if civilians get blown up oh well.

So it's hard to look at that as a genocide. We know that I'm ass hides behind civilians and that civilian casualties are going to be unusually high and there's not much we can do about it

[SpankyMcFarland]

I wouldn’t use the word genocide because that is not how I understand it myself but let’s see if we can have a go at guessing, roughly, how many Palestinians have been killed or injured. It looks like a big number, yes? 

[CdnFox]

22 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I wouldn’t use the word genocide because that is not how I understand it myself but let’s see if we can have a go at guessing, roughly, how many Palestinians have been killed or injured. It looks like a big number, yes? 

It depends. Let's clarify, do you mean in total or do you mean civilian versus combatant? I would guess that we don't really care about the combatant deaths right? Or maybe you do but you'll have a tough sell trying to suggest that Combatants or their support shouldn't be killed in a war   

 

[carepov]

On 9/13/2025 at 12:23 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I wouldn’t use the word genocide because that is not how I understand it myself but let’s see if we can have a go at guessing, roughly, how many Palestinians have been killed or injured. It looks like a big number, yes? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

War is terrible.

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It depends. Let's clarify, do you mean in total or do you mean civilian versus combatant? I would guess that we don't really care about the combatant deaths right? Or maybe you do but you'll have a tough sell trying to suggest that Combatants or their support shouldn't be killed in a war   

 

One counts both in wars. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

One counts both in wars. 

One normally does not. On normally treats them as completely separate things.

So you're asking for the total number Of soldiers and civilians combined who have died. The only reason you would want that number without separating civilian versus military casualties is because you're hoping that that number will somehow be high enough that you can say it's really bad or something.

So it's estimated that about 65,643 palestinians have died since the war started. 

It's estimated that about 65 percent ish were probably civvies, or more likely to be civvies.  Propagandists say 80 percent were civvies but that beggars the imagination given the fighting 

So ww2 saw about 55 million civivies to about 23 ish million combatants dead. Just for reference. that doesn't include non military actions such as the death camps. So about 2 civvies for every soldier 

Now.  Lets discuss the number who needed to die 

zero. If gaza had chosen peace instead of war, zero would have died. 

So how many of the deaths are the fault of the aggression of gaza? All of them.

Any other questions?

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

From what I can see a broad consensus is beginning to emerge, firstly on the number of Gazans killed or injured so far. Who they were will take a lot longer to agree on. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

From what I can see a broad consensus is beginning to emerge, firstly on the number of Gazans killed or injured so far. Who they were will take a lot longer to agree on. 

So you don't have a point or anything specifically? Just sort of rambling aimlessly?

A lot of people died that didn't need to die and for no good reason. Hamas believed that once again the united nations would step in early after maybe 5,000 of its people died or something and offer them concessions as they always do. And that did not happen.

They are deliberately making sure that their civilians get hit to artificially inflate the death toll.

And as long as trump is willing to support them Israel isn't going to back down until Hamas is utterly and completely destroyed or surrenders

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

So you don't have a point or anything specifically? Just sort of rambling aimlessly?

A lot of people died that didn't need to die and for no good reason. Hamas believed that once again the united nations would step in early after maybe 5,000 of its people died or something and offer them concessions as they always do. And that did not happen.

They are deliberately making sure that their civilians get hit to artificially inflate the death toll.

And as long as trump is willing to support them Israel isn't going to back down until Hamas is utterly and completely destroyed or surrenders

Not rambling aimlessly. The scale of casualties was disputed for a long time as Hamas propaganda in this war. Now at least the grand total is being accepted as over 60,000 killed and it looks like the total casualty figure is around 200,000 so far. It will take a while for us to agree on the breakdown of those numbers in terms of who they were of course ie civilian vs militant. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Not rambling aimlessly. The scale of casualties was disputed for a long time as Hamas propaganda in this war. Now at least the grand total is being accepted as over 60,000 killed and it looks like the total casualty figure is around 200,000 so far. It will take a while for us to agree on the breakdown of those numbers in terms of who they were of course ie civilian vs militant. 

That still sounds like rambling aimlessly. Again was there a point or are you just attempting to point out that people died at some point in this conflict? Because I think everybody was pretty much willing to concede that early on

[brett 1]

Proof of the intent to commit genocide from the words of a Toronto policeman.

 I was sitting in a local pub watching the news when Israel first targeted and bombed a Palestine Hospital. The news said that Israel claimed there where Hamas Terrorists hiding in the bottom and basement of the hospital and that's why Israel had to bomb it. 

 The gentleman sitting next to me, who was a retired policeman started laughing and looking up at the tv news broadcast said , "if terrorists were in the basement of a Toronto hospital we would send in the police tactical force and take them out, sure there would probably be some civilian casualties, but  to bomb a whole hospital just to take out a group of people in the basement is ridiculous. they obviously want to kill everyone in that hospital. " the gentleman beside me said.

 I found out in conversation he was a retired Toronto police officer. and the point he made summed up what this was really all about.

Apparently Israel the country with supposedly one of the greatest trained top armies in the world as we are always told , could not do what the S.W.A.T  teams in your average cities in north America could do,  that is target and remove the aggressors in a structure while causing minimum civilian casualties.

If regular police forces around the world could do this,  then surely Israel's best of the best highly trained elite forces army could of easily gone in killed Hamas soldiers and  captured their leaders with a minimum of civilian deaths in those hospitals. But instead Israel's top notch elite forces army choose to not try and capture Hamas leaders or troops for questioning, but instead they chose to Bomb a hospital full of civilians .. and if there where any Hamas in those hospitals then possible answers to where the hostages where being kept were lost with the killing of those Hamas leaders/members.

Why would you bomb a entire hospital if you say and claim Hamas leaders are hiding in their. Dont you want to capture the leaders to find out where they are keeping the Israel hostages ? . It just doesnt make sense, especially since the "great" Israel special forces have a long history of going into dangerous places to free hostages. This sort of mission would be right up their alley. For goodness sake Toronto Police tactical forces could of gone in and done it and so could any other police tactical force in north America... .

So it begs the question, why not this time with so much intel to be gained by capturing Hamas members?... the reason is obvious the intent all along was to kill Palestinian civilians from the very first bombs dropped on hospitals. Israels leadership  didn't care about getting Intel about hostage locations, Netanyahu was set on simply killing and removing as many Palestinians as possible...milking the hostage excuse for all it was worth was his get out of jail free card.

  Israel's leadership knows full well that attacking hospitals during a time of war is a war crime.. Israel has been targeting first aid tents , ambulances that are clearly marked as such, and doctors and nurses. I dont think even Hitler or the Japanese during World war 2 Targeted medical zones , staff and patients to the degree to which Israel has..

Armies that Claim to be of a civilized nation that up holds Honor, dignity and pride in themselves do not target Hospitals, doctors, medical staff, and Patients during any kind of war. Even if your enemy is doing these horrible things, an Army of a civilized nation is not supposed to stoop to such low immoral behavior and do them too.. and that is why in the past nations of the world got together and all agreed that such actions must be seen as committing war crimes.

A nation aware of the rules of war does not target hospitals with bombs unless that nations sole intent is to disregard the the well known agreed upon laws of war and commit a war crime and thus an act of genocide against the civilians inside a hospital.. Netanyahu is fully aware of the rules yet disregards them.

 

But of course i forgot,  the big 7 foot tall invisible Hamas Bunny rabbit named "Harry" that only Jimmy Stewart and Netanyahu could see was using Palestinians as human shields, and so that made it ok for Netanyahu to bomb hospitals filled with civilians... Was there ever Hamas , or Hamas headquarters in the hospital basement to begin with?  ...Well as long as it keeps Netanyahu from going back to face charges once again in Israel courts, then as far as Netanyahu is concerned there is a Hamas command center under every child's pillow in the world along side the tooth fairy's tooth ..

 

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[CdnFox]

Just now, brett 1 said:

Proof of the intent to commit genocide from the words of a Toronto policeman.

 I was sitting in a local pub watching the news when Israel first targeted and bombed a Palestine Hospital. The news said that Israel claimed there where Hamas Terrorists hiding in the bottom and basement of the hospital and that's why Israel had to bomb it. 

 The gentleman sitting next to me, who was a retired policeman started laughing and looking up at the tv news broadcast said , "if terrorists were in the basement of a Toronto hospital we would send in the police tactical force and take them out, sure there would probably be some civilian casualties, but  to bomb a whole hospital just to take out a group of people in the basement is ridiculous. they obviously want to kill everyone in that hospital. " the gentleman beside me said.

 I found out in conversation he was a retired Toronto police officer. and the point he made summed up what this was really all about.

Apparently Israel the country with supposedly one of the greatest trained top armies in the world as we are always told , could not do what the S.W.A.T  teams in your average cities in north America could do,  that is target and remove the aggressors in a structure while causing minimum civilian casualties.

If regular police forces around the world could do this,  then surely Israel's best of the best highly trained elite forces army could of easily gone in killed Hamas soldiers and  captured their leaders with a minimum of civilian deaths in those hospitals. But instead Israel's top notch elite forces army choose to not try and capture Hamas leaders or troops for questioning, but instead they chose to Bomb a hospital full of civilians .. and if there where any Hamas in those hospitals then possible answers to where the hostages where being kept were lost with the killing of those Hamas leaders/members.

Why would you bomb a entire hospital if you say and claim Hamas leaders are hiding in their. Dont you want to capture the leaders to find out where they are keeping the Israel hostages ? . It just doesnt make sense, especially since the "great" Israel special forces have a long history of going into dangerous places to free hostages. This sort of mission would be right up their alley. For goodness sake Toronto Police tactical forces could of gone in and done it and so could any other police tactical force in north America... .

So it begs the question, why not this time with so much intel to be gained by capturing Hamas members?... the reason is obvious the intent all along was to kill Palestinian civilians from the very first bombs dropped on hospitals. Israels leadership  didn't care about getting Intel about hostage locations, Netanyahu was set on simply killing and removing as many Palestinians as possible...milking the hostage excuse for all it was worth was his get out of jail free card.

  Israel's leadership knows full well that attacking hospitals during a time of war is a war crime.. Israel has been targeting first aid tents , ambulances that are clearly marked as such, and doctors and nurses. I dont think even Hitler or the Japanese during World war 2 Targeted medical zones , staff and patients to the degree to which Israel has..

Armies that Claim to be of a civilized nation that up holds Honor, dignity and pride in themselves do not target Hospitals, doctors, medical staff, and Patients during any kind of war. Even if your enemy is doing these horrible things, an Army of a civilized nation is not supposed to stoop to such low immoral behavior and do them too.. and that is why in the past nations of the world got together and all agreed that such actions must be seen as committing war crimes.

A nation aware of the rules of war does not target hospitals with bombs unless that nations sole intent is to disregard the the well known agreed upon laws of war and commit a war crime and thus an act of genocide against the civilians inside a hospital.. Netanyahu is fully aware of the rules yet disregards them.

 

But of course i forgot,  the big 7 foot tall invisible Hamas Bunny rabbit named "Harry" that only Jimmy Stewart and Netanyahu could see was using Palestinians as human shields, and so that made it ok for Netanyahu to bomb hospitals filled with civilians... Was there ever Hamas , or Hamas headquarters in the hospital basement to begin with?  ...Well as long as it keeps Netanyahu from going back to face charges once again in Israel courts, then as far as Netanyahu is concerned there is a Hamas command center under every child's pillow in the world along side the tooth fairy's tooth ..

 

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Brett would appear to be a bot. 

I'm the entire post is not only fictional but childish. You were sitting next to a police officer that told you that in the middle of a combat zone you'd send police into the basement of a hospital in hostile territory that you didn't control. That makes a lot of sense. Military hadn't fought it's through yet but obviously the police had LOL

And the first hospital bombing turned out to be hamas rockets that were fired and went off course and struck the building.

I thought AI was going to fix these bots to be a little bit more believable?

[brett 1]

not a bot lol

the news clip we watched isreal said there was a command center in the basement , it was not a stray rocket, it was aimed at the hospital on purpose.  yes there were stray rockets but not the one in the news segment we watched ..

yes the cop pointed out that why not send in the troops if you know they are in the basement.. Israel's army had no problem going in immediately after they bombed hospitals , they weren't afraid of rockets or snipers.

one israel soldier pointed to a list of hamas members names on a hospital wall ,,, was later found out that the arabic names were simply names of months of the year that someone had stuck to the wall , so yes Israel soldiers can go into hospitals during the heat of war to point out their false claims for propaganda use,. But seem like Israels crack top notch billion dollar  army cant send in its troops to hunt Hamas for intel on where the hostages are kept because a hospital in Israel controlled region is for this kind of mission is too dangerous  , , ,..for propaganda Netanyahu will send the troops to the moon,  but for intel on hostage locations its too dangerous for his billion dollar troops to step foot out the front door.

as the war has  progressed Hamas has had less hold on many regions, in fact israel army has been in control in these hospital regions ...yet Israel up till recently still sends bombs at hospitals instead of troops to capture Hamas and intel ... they dont want to weed out hamas leaders or  comanders to find out where hostages are at all,,,