Canada to stall electric vehicle rules as Carney seeks to boost auto sector

[taxme]

On 9/5/2025 at 7:49 AM, Aristides said:

I think EV's will eventually be the future for personal vehicles regardless of what government does.

No, they will not be the future for everyone. Only a few EV loving people will buy those and keep that EV industry going. Nobody in the northern parts of Canada will want anything to do with EV's. Too cold and too far isolated for anyone wanting to rely on an EV.

Anything that the lieberal party has ever done has never been any good for Canada or Canadians. They destroy everything they touch rather than improve anything. In the past ten years the lieberals have pretty much destroyed what once was a great country called Canada, and the wealth of Canada, where all Canadians should be filthy rich, but instead are making Canadians more woke and broke. Liberalism must die. The only chance that Canada has a good chance of survival. 😇

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Most gas stations have back up generators, to pump gas, your next option is to drive outside that power grid that is down and fuel up there....or use propane and natural gas to power your generator

Which is exactly how it works here.  I live in a more remote area and we have frequent power outages. I have a propane generator and enough propane to last a month (when it's full, but i never let it get below about half full).  The local gas station has a diesel generator and guess what, they sell diesel AND propane   

All of that is pretty standard around here.

But if i had to produce enough power to actually charge a tesla, that generator is going to have to work a lot harder and the fuel won't last nearly that long. 

Now the neighbour down the way actually does have a tesla, but he's also got a truck and his boys have cars. Without that i don't think he'd own just the tesla. 

Electric cars don't suit the majority of people. Plug in hybrids would but ev's only work for about 25 percent of the population. 

Fun fact,  i'm aware that some stratas are now forbidding parking ev's in garages or undergrounds due to the fire risk. They don't catch fire any more often but when they do they burn hotter and the fire departments can't put them out and the smoke is hella toxic. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Actually they do. Most people live in or near urban areas and they work just fine. 

Actually they don't.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

No, they will not be the future for everyone. Only a few EV loving people will buy those and keep that EV industry going. Nobody in the northern parts of Canada will want anything to do with EV's. Too cold and too far isolated for anyone wanting to rely on an EV.

Anything that the lieberal party has ever done has never been any good for Canada or Canadians. They destroy everything they touch rather than improve anything. In the past ten years the lieberals have pretty much destroyed what once was a great country called Canada, and the wealth of Canada, where all Canadians should be filthy rich, but instead are making Canadians more woke and broke. Liberalism must die. The only chance that Canada has a good chance of survival. 😇

 

They will likely evolve over time into something that suits everybody. Battery tech will evolve and perhaps electrical generation technology such as hydrogen cells etc will emerge,  in time the problems will be solved. 

but that's the thing. IN TIME.  not now.  If something is ready for wide scale production and adaptation, it will be produced and people will buy it.  The tech right now is just not there. And trying to force it just hurts everybody

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They will likely evolve over time into something that suits everybody. Battery tech will evolve and perhaps electrical generation technology such as hydrogen cells etc will emerge,  in time the problems will be solved. 

but that's the thing. IN TIME.  not now.  If something is ready for wide scale production and adaptation, it will be produced and people will buy it.  The tech right now is just not there. And trying to force it just hurts everybody

This has been said many times and yet the "sky is falling pipsqueaks" ignore it every single time.

[herbie]

On 9/5/2025 at 9:06 AM, Boges said:

I'm a big supporter of EVs but mandating a minimum number 10 years out is a bit premature. 

Not very much though. Unlike some plowboys gloating like a one year adjustment is the same as killing them altogether.

Early adopters have already adopted. Prices for them did not go down and incentives dried up. Even the Golden Boy Musk hiked prices in 2024 & 2025. People bought the id1ot argument over Chinese ones, that the govt 'subsidized' EV makers. All the while offering like $7500 incentives to buyers - as if that's totally different - when the only difference is the buyer thinks they're getting the money when the car company still is.....

Hybrid and PHEV sales are still increasing, just ask anyone in the business, they can't make those fast enough. A 50% hybrid/EC mandate by 2028 would make sense and an 80% PHEV/ZEV by 2035 achievable.
We should never go down the road of following Trump's stupid plans to keep the USA 10 years behind the rest of the world.

Gimme $1 billion. I'll open the old Studebaker plant and pump out PHEV&BEV Avantis, even make a wagon/SUV model. 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Actually they don't.

Actually they do. There are tons of them where i live in the Fraser Valley. Teslas are the new VW Beetle.

Edited September 6, 2025 by Aristides

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

He has a metric ton of Sh*t on his plate, so much that he may be paralyzed on where to start, he is a going to have to start something even if it is a small chunk, right now he is putting out small fires, and it seems to be distracting him, fro  the big picture....i do like his announcement on bail reform and delaying the EV program....but we need more.

The Roberts bank port expansion on the West coast, 4 active LNG terminal projects in BC, just announced $15B invest in Newfoundland and Labrador LNG terminal, upcoming announcements for Churchill and Montreal terminals, just started Major Projects office, just announced measures to mitigate impact of US tariffs and trade disruptions, expanded trade relationships and opportunities ....   A long way to go but seems to me that things are getting started.

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Actually they do. There are tons of them where i live in the Fraser Valley. Teslas are the new VW Beetle.

Toronto has a population of approx.' 2million car commuters , Ev"s about 3000 so about 1.5%.

Tons?

[CouchPotato]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

Tons?

I believe him.

Quote

How much does a Tesla weigh?

Tesla’s range in weight from 2,723 to 5,390 pounds (1,235 to 2,445 kilograms) for the most recent versions.

https://weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh/

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, Legato said:

Toronto has a population of approx.' 2million car commuters , Ev"s about 3000 so about 1.5%.

Tons?

In 2024 there were 195,000 ZEV's registered in BC, up from 5,000 in 2016 and they accounted 22.4% of new light vehicle sales. 

[LinkSoul60]

16 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I believe him.

https://weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh/

If you went through the trouble of looking that up, why didn't you just look for facts instead of the sarcasm?

There were approximately 203,028 electric vehicles (EVs) in British Columbia as of July 2025, with about 80% of these being in the Lower Mainland/Metro Vancouver region, translating to roughly 160,000-163,000 EVs in the area, though a specific, up-to-date figure for Metro Vancouver was not readily available. The number of EVs is rapidly growing; for example, the province had over 150,000 EVs as of January 2024, and the Metro Vancouver region saw EVs account for 23% of new vehicle sales in 2024.

 

 

[Aristides]

27 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I believe him.

https://weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh/

A Honda CRV weighs 3600 lbs. A Ford Escape 3500 lbs. My Audi Q5 weighs 4200 lbs.

EV's are heavier but not as much as you think.

All cars have become bloated.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Actually they do. There are tons of them where i live in the Fraser Valley. Teslas are the new VW Beetle.

The absoutely 100 percent don't.  And that is demonstrable in several ways.  None the least of which is the current lethargic sales.

I live in the fraser valley too and there are not "Tonnes" of them.  There are a few. maybe one in 50, 1 in 100. 

And i know some stratas are starting to ban them from being parked in an enclosed space like the undergrounds or carports due to the severity of the fires if they burn. 

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

n 2024 there were 195,000 ZEV's registered in BC, up from 5,000 in 2016 and they accounted 22.4% of new light vehicle sales. 

out of 3.5 million registered vehicles. 

It's a SMALL NUMBER

Yes, there are definitely people for whom it's a good fit.  And they should have that choice  But the number that it's actually suitable for is FAR BELOW 50 percent.  The number would grow dramatically if you included plug in hybrids but if we're talking actual EV's then NOPE.  Not even half of people would find them suitable or would want to own one even if they're the same price as an ice vehicle. Which they are not. 

[Army Guy]

On 9/6/2025 at 6:40 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

The Roberts bank port expansion on the West coast, 4 active LNG terminal projects in BC, just announced $15B invest in Newfoundland and Labrador LNG terminal, upcoming announcements for Churchill and Montreal terminals, just started Major Projects office, just announced measures to mitigate impact of US tariffs and trade disruptions, expanded trade relationships and opportunities ....   A long way to go but seems to me that things are getting started.

Question are any of these on the projects list and been approved or are they just a number on a sheet of paper waiting for something to happen, i ask because I've yet to see any major announcement on them , i mean this would be a feather in Carneys hat if they were approved .......Don't get me wrong i 100 % agree with all these national projects. getting our resources to market should be a majority priority, as Carney is spending money faster than we can generate it...

Federal government should be withholding any funding for BC / EBY until it gets on board with pipeline projects, and the ferry thing.. Same as Montreal terminal, funds withheld until we get full approval for a pipeline...

[Nationalist]

On 9/5/2025 at 10:59 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

With all the great ideas Poilievre has makes you wonder why he lost a 25% poll lead, and why people just don't like the guy.  What was everyone thinking....

They were thinking..."Elbows Up".

They got a liar and a thief.

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Question are any of these on the projects list and been approved or are they just a number on a sheet of paper waiting for something to happen, i ask because I've yet to see any major announcement on them , i mean this would be a feather in Carneys hat if they were approved .......Don't get me wrong i 100 % agree with all these national projects. getting our resources to market should be a majority priority, as Carney is spending money faster than we can generate it...

Federal government should be withholding any funding for BC / EBY until it gets on board with pipeline projects, and the ferry thing.. Same as Montreal terminal, funds withheld until we get full approval for a pipeline...

If the feds want changes in the ferry thing they need to put their money where their mouth is. BC taxpayers are paying for the damn things, not the RoC. You keep going on about BC ferries being a provincial responsibility to justify not subsidizing them like east coast ferries so STFUP about penalizing BC. 

Edited September 7, 2025 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If the feds want changes in the ferry thing they need to put their money where their mouth is. BC taxpayers are paying for the damn things, not the RoC. You keep going on about BC ferries being a provincial responsibility to justify not subsidizing them like east coast ferries so STFUP about penalizing BC. 

I want to drag up some old posts on your reply; 

first one was BC not getting any funding for their ferries....So BC is not being left out of any subsidies for ferries...Your BC government should have known about this and could have used that grant to lower your fees on your ferries instead EBY misled you and the ROC and whined about not getting any relief...And they have been doing it since 1977, Go figure...

Quote

With regard to ferry services in British Columbia, the Government of Canada has provided a grant to the province since 1977. In 2025-26, the total value of the grant is approximately $37.8 million, and it will be used to support the provision of ferry and coastal freight and passenger services.

https://www.bcfmwu.com/news/federal-response-falls-short-on-b-c-ferry-funding/

Quote

In addition to the above, the Government has supported ferry services through measures such as removing tariffs on the importation of vessels as well as making ferries and related infrastructure eligible for federal funding under major infrastructure programs such as the New Building Canada Fund. Finally, the federal government has partnered with BC Ferries by providing financing to accelerate electrification, including the purchase of four new electric ferries, as announced in May 2024.

As for no federal funding , the feds are giving BC a one Bil loan to purchase ferries...which is being studied...because of the Chinese factor...So in reality until you pay back the loan ROC is buying them....Just another note PEI had to get a loan as well to which it is paying back as well...and while Carney did announce lowering the fares that comes on the backs of PEI because it will take longer to pay off that loan ...as the Feds were not the only ones to loan the money to build the bridge....

Last time i checked i pay taxes as well, being a Canadian citizen and using my freedom of speech i think i go on about BC as long as they keep whining,  just because you on the coast does not give you the right to dictate what projects Alberta wants or not...In case you and the other BC boys missed it , these projects are meant to boast our GDP....which benefits all of Canada including the federal funding for you natural gas plants...Now i get it your for BC and F*ck the ROC, and you hate it when everyone else is saying your not being a team player, or pointing it out...I'll STF up when you BC liberal nutbars start towing the your party line...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ferries-loan-1.7572216

Edited September 7, 2025 by Army Guy

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I want to drag up some old posts on your reply; 

first one was BC not getting any funding for their ferries....So BC is not being left out of any subsidies for ferries...Your BC government should have known about this and could have used that grant to lower your fees on your ferries instead EBY misled you and the ROC and whined about not getting any relief...And they have been doing it since 1977, Go figure...

https://www.bcfmwu.com/news/federal-response-falls-short-on-b-c-ferry-funding/

As for no federal funding , the feds are giving BC a one Bil loan to purchase ferries...which is being studied...because of the Chinese factor...So in reality until you pay back the loan ROC is buying them....Just another note PEI had to get a loan as well to which it is paying back as well...and while Carney did announce lowering the fares that comes on the backs of PEI because it will take longer to pay off that loan ...as the Feds were not the only ones to loan the money to build the bridge....

Last time i checked i pay taxes as well, being a Canadian citizen and using my freedom of speech i think i go on about BC as long as they keep whining,  just because you on the coast does not give you the right to dictate what projects Alberta wants or not...In case you and the other BC boys missed it , these projects are meant to boast our GDP....which benefits all of Canada including the federal funding for you natural gas plants...Now i get it your for BC and F*ck the ROC, and you hate it when everyone else is saying your not being a team player, or pointing it out...I'll STF up when you BC liberal nutbars start towing the your party line...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ferries-loan-1.7572216

 

With the federal financed cut in Atlantic ferry fares, 1/300th the funding Atlantic ferries gets.

It's a loan dumbass, not a grant. Of course it will be paid back.

Maybe BC should withhold the difference between what it sends to  Ottawa in taxes and what it receives in federal spending. The difference that is spent in other provinces like yours. 

Quote

According to the B.C. Ferry and Marine Workers’ Union, the federal government provided $192 million in combined operating and capital grants to Marine Atlantic in the 2023-24 fiscal year, while B.C. Ferries received $35.6 million in grants and a repayable loan of $75 million. 

B.C. has more than double the population of the Maritime provinces combined.

The 50% cut to Atlantic ferry fares amounts to another $100 million subsidy from the Feds.

Quote

He noted the cumulative annual cost of the various reductions in fares and tolls to the public treasury will be about $100 million, but predicted the changes would generate increased traffic and lower the cost of living.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2025 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

 

the operating cost are a grant from the feds to the province... the loan is the bil for your ferries, grants are for the operation and to maintain the ferries.. Like PEI had to take out several loans to several creditors to pay for the bridge...but you draw the line on a 50 % decrease on the fee to cross the bridge....a 20 dollar savings....oh the pain....

Ya whine about the 3.1 bil NB gets..... you would be doing us a favor...forcing our province to spend within it's means....I wonder how much federal funding BC gets wait it gets a whooping 10 bil in transfers...but you don't here any one from the maritimes whinning do ya...the ones that should be whining is Sask, not BC...

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/major-federal-transfers.html

This really gets under your skin, like some how your missing out on something...It is also increasing the time it takes to pay the loan off since it means a loss of revenue........and since the federal government actually owns the bridge , it is up to them what they discount or not....it is not like this was PEI number one wish from the ROC.....we got bigger problems than saving 20 bucks on a bridge crossing.....you seem to think this is some great big maritime conspiracy to steal money out of BC taxpayers pockets...didn't you vote liberal....

 

 

 

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

 

the operating cost are a grant from the feds to the province... the loan is the bil for your ferries, grants are for the operation and to maintain the ferries.. Like PEI had to take out several loans to several creditors to pay for the bridge...but you draw the line on a 50 % decrease on the fee to cross the bridge....a 20 dollar savings....oh the pain....

Ya whine about the 3.1 bil NB gets..... you would be doing us a favor...forcing our province to spend within it's means....I wonder how much federal funding BC gets wait it gets a whooping 10 bil in transfers...but you don't here any one from the maritimes whinning do ya...the ones that should be whining is Sask, not BC...

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/major-federal-transfers.html

This really gets under your skin, like some how your missing out on something...It is also increasing the time it takes to pay the loan off since it means a loss of revenue........and since the federal government actually owns the bridge , it is up to them what they discount or not....it is not like this was PEI number one wish from the ROC.....we got bigger problems than saving 20 bucks on a bridge crossing.....you seem to think this is some great big maritime conspiracy to steal money out of BC taxpayers pockets...didn't you vote liberal....

 

 

 

What gets under my skin is people like you and your attitude that BC is a problem when your end of the country get its services subsidized to a degree that we don't and doesn't done shit to get any energy to tidewater. 

Edited September 8, 2025 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

They were thinking..."Elbows Up".

They got a liar and a thief.

Which, considering what they're like themselves, might be what they were going for  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Question are any of these on the projects list and been approved or are they just a number on a sheet of paper waiting for something to happen, i ask because I've yet to see any major announcement on them , i mean this would be a feather in Carneys hat if they were approved .......Don't get me wrong i 100 % agree with all these national projects. getting our resources to market should be a majority priority, as Carney is spending money faster than we can generate it...

Federal government should be withholding any funding for BC / EBY until it gets on board with pipeline projects, and the ferry thing.. Same as Montreal terminal, funds withheld until we get full approval for a pipeline...

No, and in many cases there aren't even businesses proposing any. 

What they intend to do is 'announce' that a handful of them are going to be considered 'special magic zone' project areas where the usual laws won't apply, then invite businesses to bid no projects. 

WHich most won't, because it won't solve the first nations issues, they won't trust the regulations won't shift back (the new liberal 'climate' caucus has got to be concerning) and most of the projects will never happen or even get started if they do happen in Careny's term, but it will SOUND like things are about to get better.

The liberals have always gotten by from Announcing,  never 'Doing.'. 

I'm sure they'll get a few small projects rolling but nothing that's going to put a dent into our issues. They needed to kill the anti pipeline bill and the anti tanker bill minute one and send a message.  THey didn't. 

 

[Aristides]

On 9/6/2025 at 5:18 PM, CdnFox said:

The absoutely 100 percent don't.  And that is demonstrable in several ways.  None the least of which is the current lethargic sales.

I live in the fraser valley too and there are not "Tonnes" of them.  There are a few. maybe one in 50, 1 in 100. 

And i know some stratas are starting to ban them from being parked in an enclosed space like the undergrounds or carports due to the severity of the fires if they burn. 

out of 3.5 million registered vehicles. 

It's a SMALL NUMBER

Yes, there are definitely people for whom it's a good fit.  And they should have that choice  But the number that it's actually suitable for is FAR BELOW 50 percent.  The number would grow dramatically if you included plug in hybrids but if we're talking actual EV's then NOPE.  Not even half of people would find them suitable or would want to own one even if they're the same price as an ice vehicle. Which they are not. 

A 3800% increase in 8 years. Do you not see a trend there?

[ExFlyer]

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

A 3800% increase in 8 years. Do you not see a trend there?

Yes, EV's are the way of the future bit we still have obstacles to overcome. Electrical infrastructure, not just at charging sites but in homes, range (we are a large country with wide open spaces), and cold weather to overcome.

As for how many are already here....."As of July 2025, there are over 901,545 zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) registered in Canada, according to Transports Canada. This includes a mix of battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs)."