Florida to ban ALL vaccine mandates

[Boges]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaccines-schools-florida-1.7624370

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Florida plans to become the first state to eliminate vaccine mandates that have been a cornerstone of public health policy for decades in keeping schoolchildren and adults safe from infectious diseases.   

State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who announced the decision Wednesday, cast current requirements in schools and elsewhere as "immoral" intrusions on people's rights that hamper parents' ability to make health decisions for their children.

"People have a right to make their own decisions, informed decisions," Ladapo, who has frequently clashed with the medical establishment, said at a news conference in Valrico. "They don't have the right to tell you what to put in your body. Take it away from them."

 

I don't think people should be forced to take the flu shot or the COVID vaccine. 

But you SHOULD have to get the MMR vaccine if you want to access public services. These are diseases that were thought to be eradicated, and now because uninformed conspiracy theorists think "Bit Pharma" is out to get them. 

This will be a huge FOFA moment for Florida. 

[User]

On a side note, I love how this is a Canadian source that says this while completely ignoring that Canada has more measles cases than the United States, which, on a per capita basis, is far worse. 

"The rise in anti-vaccine sentiment has coincided with a resurgence of measles in the U.S., with more than 1,400 cases recorded so far nationally, according to the CDC, the highest number of yearly cases in more than 30 years. "

[Legato]

When I was a kid nothing was mandated.

You ate dirt, caught every childhood disease and built a strong immune system.

 

[Shady]

27 minutes ago, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaccines-schools-florida-1.7624370

I don't think people should be forced to take the flu shot or the COVID vaccine. 

But you SHOULD have to get the MMR vaccine if you want to access public services. These are diseases that were thought to be eradicated, and now because uninformed conspiracy theorists think "Bit Pharma" is out to get them. 

This will be a huge FOFA moment for Florida. 

I tend to agree.  Although I have read that many diseases were eradicated by proper sanitation, plumbing, and hygiene.  That all coincided with some vaccines.   But vaccines get all the credit,   When you look at the date, things like polio were already decreasing significantly.   Regardless, I think some of the traditional vaccines should still be mandated for children.

[User]

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

When I was a kid nothing was mandated.

You ate dirt, caught every childhood disease and built a strong immune system.

 

Ugh... and A LOT of children died, were inflicted with life-changing disabilities, or were severely sick and hospitalized...

Vaccines help build a strong immune system so you don't have to suffer through those things. 

[Boges]

18 minutes ago, Shady said:

I tend to agree.  Although I have read that many diseases were eradicated by proper sanitation, plumbing, and hygiene.  That all coincided with some vaccines.   But vaccines get all the credit,   When you look at the date, things like polio were already decreasing significantly.   Regardless, I think some of the traditional vaccines should still be mandated for children.

You got that from Rogan right?

Measles doesn't seem to be a problem where vaccine rates are high. 

[Boges]

33 minutes ago, Legato said:

When I was a kid nothing was mandated.

You ate dirt, caught every childhood disease and built a strong immune system.

You just gotta rub some dirt in that polio and measles and that'll fix it. 

[herbie]

And the entire class died of bubonic plague.

But thank God we didn't trample on Mrs. Beasly rights to remain ignorant/

[Legato]

35 minutes ago, Boges said:

You just gotta rub some dirt in that polio and measles and that'll fix it. 

I did and it worked.

 

[Chrissy1979]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

When I was a kid nothing was mandated.

You ate dirt, caught every childhood disease and built a strong immune system.

 

Not at all true, though. 
 

https://www.historymuseum.ca/blog/vaccine-mandates-in-historical-context

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

This will be a huge FOFA moment for Florida. 

Yes, the land that fetishizes individual rights... Who also somehow invented HOA and eminent domain... 

I don't understand it

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Not at all true, though. 
 

https://www.historymuseum.ca/blog/vaccine-mandates-in-historical-context

Yes all true.

[Chrissy1979]

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes all true.

Okay, I guess I have to take your word for it over 150 years of documented history.

[gatomontes99]

I take two views on this:

Most vaccines are very safe and very effective

It is not my place to force others to take a vaccine. 

When I was 2, I spent several weeks in the ICU because of my reaction to the MMR vaccine. When my son was born, we discussed my reaction and the took precautions so he could get the MMR. I felt comfortable with the risks. Others might not.

Those that chose not to get the vaccines, imo, are making a bad decision. But I firmly believe it is not then government's job to regulate good decision making. 

If kids get sick because their parents chose not to get the vaccine, that is on the parents and it is no threat to anyone that did get the vaccine. It isn't even as big of a threat as it once was. Medicine has come a long ways. 

Edited September 4, 2025 by gatomontes99

[gatomontes99]

And, for the record, I would put money on down syndrome being more related to the age of the mother or microplastics than the vaccines. 

[Moonlight Graham]

I don't think people should be forced to take the medicine government wants them to.   I don't think parents should be able to force other parents to vaccine their children to make their children safer.  People have legal sovereignty over their own bodies and that of their children.

That said, if you don't give your children the vaccines you're a fool and if they get sick or die you're a human piece of crap, and spreading diseases around to others kinda makes you a piece of crap too.  I guess if Republican supporters want to kill themselves they have that right.  They insist on burning up the planet so maybe we're better off without them anyways instead of dragging everyone else with them.

 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Okay, I guess I have to take your word for it over 150 years of documented history.

Jump to conclusions much? The only "mandated" vaccine was for smallpox which I never received.

Many children never receive the smallpox vaccine in the 1940s in England because conscientious objection and a preference for persuasion over compulsion were leading to the phasing out of mandatory vaccination by the time the National Health Service Acts of 1946 and 1947 repealed the Vaccination Acts. Although a conscience clause already allowed exemptions from 1898, making vaccination optional was a strategic choice for programs like the diphtheria immunisation campaign that encouraged voluntary participation through education and persuasion, setting a precedent for other programs. 

I received the polio vaccine which was voluntary.

[Chrissy1979]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

Jump to conclusions much? The only "mandated" vaccine was for smallpox which I never received.

Many children never receive the smallpox vaccine in the 1940s in England because conscientious objection and a preference for persuasion over compulsion were leading to the phasing out of mandatory vaccination by the time the National Health Service Acts of 1946 and 1947 repealed the Vaccination Acts. Although a conscience clause already allowed exemptions from 1898, making vaccination optional was a strategic choice for programs like the diphtheria immunisation campaign that encouraged voluntary participation through education and persuasion, setting a precedent for other programs. 

I received the polio vaccine which was voluntary.

"In the late 1970s, a spike in measles cases pushed many Canadian provinces to enact mandatory vaccination policies in public schools. Many of these remain in place today..."

[Legato]

Just now, Chrissy1979 said:

"In the late 1970s, a spike in measles cases pushed many Canadian provinces to enact mandatory vaccination policies in public schools. Many of these remain in place today..."

Can you read?

[User]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, the land that fetishizes individual rights... Who also somehow invented HOA and eminent domain... 

I don't understand it

Ah, yes, the classic absurdity that if you are not 100% anarchist, individual freedom, then you can't possibly be for individual rights.

Same stupid argument from folks like you to try to say someone is not really for smaller limited government.  

 

 

[Chrissy1979]

59 minutes ago, Legato said:

Can you read?

Yes, you wrote that nothing was mandated when you were a kid. I showed how that's not true. 

[Boges]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I take two views on this:

Most vaccines are very safe and very effective

It is not my place to force others to take a vaccine. 

When I was 2, I spent several weeks in the ICU because of my reaction to the MMR vaccine. When my son was born, we discussed my reaction and the took precautions so he could get the MMR. I felt comfortable with the risks. Others might not.

Those that chose not to get the vaccines, imo, are making a bad decision. But I firmly believe it is not then government's job to regulate good decision making. 

If kids get sick because their parents chose not to get the vaccine, that is on the parents and it is no threat to anyone that did get the vaccine. It isn't even as big of a threat as it once was. Medicine has come a long ways. 

We're seeing large measles outbreaks in communities of like-minded parents. 

Herd immunity is a real thing. The vaccine isn't always 100% effective but if 90%+ people have it, it's difficult to spread. 

These diseases caused a lot of death and suffering before vaccines. Completely eliminating such diseases is in the public good. 

[Shady]

20 hours ago, Boges said:

You got that from Rogan right?

Measles doesn't seem to be a problem where vaccine rates are high. 

Get what from Rogan?  I got measles when I was in high school, where vaccine rates were high. It's like getting the flu.  Regardless, there were worse measles outbreaks  from 2010 to 2020 in the United States, but wasn't at all news worthy because it wasn't politicized like it is now.    

[Legato]

11 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, you wrote that nothing was mandated when you were a kid. I showed how that's not true. 

 

11 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, you wrote that nothing was mandated when you were a kid. I showed how that's not true. 

National Health Service Acts of 1946 and 1947 repealed the Vaccination Acts.

[Shady]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

We're seeing large measles outbreaks in communities of like-minded parents. 

Measles is a nothingburger.  It's literally like getting the flu.  Regardless, as per my previous post, measles outbreaks have been worse over the previous 10 years, but wasn't newsworthy because it wasn't politicized.