Pierre Poilievre proposes changing the law to allow people to defend their home and families without all the present complicated requirements.

[User]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Obtuse?

 All I said was that in this type of case was that it would probably be thrown out of court in minutes.

If you did need a lawyer...which is improbable, from your link

• "Hourly rate for defence lawyers in Ontario: $150 – $800 per hour"                                   
• Or you could get legal aid.

Yes, Obtuse. As you continue to be. 

If you are being charged, you need a lawyer... when do you qualify for legal aid in Canada?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

It's not the law itself, but the interpretation of the said law.

And in some cases the surrounding laws. For example in the Ian Thompson case I mentioned it very quickly became clear that they wouldn't be able to charge the guy for any self-defense related crimes, so they went after him for improper storage of a firearm and I believe originally they threw in discharging a firearm wear not permitted but like I said that one fell by the wayside pretty quick

They will find a way to use lawfare to shoehorn one charge or another to fit if they want to punish somebody for defending themselves and that has to stop

[Gaétan]

The conservatives have twisted minds and lack judgment, and if your brother-in-law comes to take a lawnmower from your yard, you will have the right to kill him, that’s what will happen with their plan or a guy will ask for money from your convenience store’s cash register and the owner will pull out a gun and kill him. CONSERVATIVES ARE spirits THAT COME FROM HELL TO DISGUST US.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The term 'reasonable' is, of course, entirely open to interpretation. 

And a Judge and jury is the proper form of interpretation, not Joe Blow or some politician begging for votes.

If they ever approve blowing away some guy for trying to carry off your TV that will set a precedent. Same as when they actually jail someone over self defence that does too.

 

 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, User said:

Yes, Obtuse. As you continue to be. 

If you are being charged, you need a lawyer... when do you qualify for legal aid in Canada?

I tried to have a decent conversation with you but...

No, you do not need a lawyer. "The court will want to know if you are hiring a lawyer or representing yourself" 

"Canada has a legal aid system that provides access to justice for economically disadvantaged persons who cannot afford a lawyer, though the delivery is managed provincially and territorially."

[Nefarious Banana]

Enter At Your Own Risk

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I tried to have a decent conversation with you but...

No, you do not need a lawyer

You need a lawyer.  While you will not be forced to have one you cannot defend yourself against criminal charges without one.  🙄🙄🙄🙄

You don't try to have decent conversations with anyone, you spout drivel and then freak out when people show you facts. 

[User]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I tried to have a decent conversation with you but...

No, you do not need a lawyer. "The court will want to know if you are hiring a lawyer or representing yourself" 

"Canada has a legal aid system that provides access to justice for economically disadvantaged persons who cannot afford a lawyer, though the delivery is managed provincially and territorially."

Sure, yeah, you can certainly represent yourself in a criminal trial where your life is on the line... 

No, you are not a serious person at all. 

 

[taxme]

On 8/29/2025 at 8:39 AM, blackbird said:

"Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre is calling on the federal government to amend the Criminal Code to clarify the reasonable use of force in the face of a high-level threat, such as a home intruder."

PP made an announcement yesterday calling on the Carney government to amend the criminal code to remove the long list of requirements placed on residents when defending themselves and their family.  Apparently the present law is complicated and very involved and one must be some kind of lawyer to understand it.  That must be changed to simplify it and make it understandable for everyone.  When a criminal breaks in to a person's home, the victim just doesn't have the time to go through all the complexities of the law to figure out what to do.  He simply has to act to do what he can to protect him and his family at that moment.  The law presently doesn't work that way.

Victims have been charged by police for defending themselves and their family from dangerous offenders armed with a gun or other weapons and have been put through an expensive legal system for many months.  Or they have been locked up in jail before finally being exonerated.  It is very expensive to have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself and your family just because you were trying to defend yourself when criminals invaded your house.  This has to be changed.  PP proposal will change the complicated laws that exist now to simplify it and make it more reasonable for someone to defend themselves and their family.

 

In Canada today, the victim has now become the criminal. Everything done in this gawd forsaken country is all done azz  backwards. It appears like right is now wrong and wrong is now right. Left is now right and right is now left. This is what lieberalism is all about. Mess with peoples heads. Keep them confused and fighting with each other. They are true masters at deception, lies and bullshit. Sadly, so many Canadians will at their bullshit up over and over and keep voting for them. As far as i am concerned, Canada is doomed and not worth the time of day any longer. Try and convince me that i am mistaken here, if you can? 

[Venandi]

12 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

No, you do not need a lawyer.

I stand in awe...

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: please be advised that the stupidity on display here can ruin your day,

If you're on the fence, please ignore nonsense partisan posts, buy the book or do your own research. Not only do you need a lawyer, you need that lawyer before giving a statement on fight night IMO.

As I recall, you can't have them present in an interrogation but you can consult with one prior to it. It would be a mistake to think you are simply having a pleasant conversation with the responding officers. 

Many people have firearm legal insurance (a group retainer sort of thing) that allows 24/7 access by phone. Your milage may vary but I would talk to them before giving any statement. I would also want to avoid giving one while I was shaken (or perhaps injured) and in a state of shock.  

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by Venandi

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, User said:

Sure, yeah, you can certainly represent yourself in a criminal trial where your life is on the line... 

No, you are not a serious person at all. 

 

The trial and topic is defending yourself in your home when faced with home invasion.

Chances are the prosecutor will not even proceed.

I am sorry you feel I am not serious. I thought the discussion was civil but it is too bad you cannot recognize that and cannot accept a different opinion.

8 minutes ago, Venandi said:

I stand in awe...

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: please be advised that the stupidity on display here can ruin your day,

If you're on the fence, please (PLEASE) ignore nonsense partisan posts, buy the book or do your own research. Not only do you need a lawyer, you need that lawyer before giving a statement on fight night. 

 

Prove that a lawyer is required.... go ahead. Prove it.

I am actually surprised that you are not aware  to know you can represent yourself , especially in a case where chances of it actually going to trial are minimal at best.

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You need a lawyer.  While you will not be forced to have one you cannot defend yourself against criminal charges without one.  🙄🙄🙄🙄

You don't try to have decent conversations with anyone, you spout drivel and then freak out when people show you facts. 

I am not surprised such a stoopid statement comes from you.

It is expected LOL

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I am actually surprised that you are not aware  to know you can represent yourself ,

I'm very aware of the fact that you can represent yourself in court... but it's a bad idea . Anyone who represents themselves has a fool for a client.

This is almost comical, you (like most of us) have no idea how much you don't know in a situation like this... and you're advocating for defending yourself against a prosecutor who actually does know stuff.

I sincerely hope no one on the fence listens to a word of your nonsense.

Down vote that fool...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The trial and topic is defending yourself in your home when faced with home invasion.

Chances are the prosecutor will not even proceed.

 

It proceeds all the time.  And if it does you can expect the case to run you between 50 and 120 thousand dollars, 

Yeash.  if someone breaks into YOUR home they just have to ask any question that ends in 11 or more and you'll be incapacitated when you run out of fingers

22 minutes ago, Venandi said:

I'm very aware of the fact that you can represent yourself in court... but it's a mother fuc8ing bad idea . Anyone who represents themselves has a fool for a client.

This is almost comical, you have no idea how much you don't know and you're advocating for defending yourself against a prosecutor who actually does know stuff.

I sincerely hope no one on the fence listens to a word of your nonsense.

Down vote that fool...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's no law preventing you from doing your own knee surgery either but.....   

Seriously most people don't need this explained to them, it's just the level of intellect you're dealing with here, 

[ExFlyer]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It proceeds all the time.  And if it does you can expect the case to run you between 50 and 120 thousand dollars, 

Yeash.  if someone breaks into YOUR home they just have to ask any question that ends in 11 or more and you'll be incapacitated when you run out of fingers

...

I am not surprised such a stoopid statement comes from you.

It is expected LOL

[Venandi]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's no law preventing you from doing your own knee surgery either

Indeed, or in Flybaby's case, brain surgery with a mirror, flashlight and felling axe.

This entire thread is absolutely breathtaking, easy to see how the whole covid thing was so easily implemented. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

Indeed, or in Flybaby's case, brain surgery with a mirror, flashlight and felling axe.

 

 

LOL  - its funny because it's true   

 

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This entire thread is absolutely breathtaking, easy to see how the whole covid thing was so easily implemented. 

I know. it's frightening. And this is also the same defect in humanity that caused the majority to think that hitler was a great idea, burning witches would solve things, locking the japanese up and taking their property was a kindness etc etc. 

It always reminds me of that MiB quote. 

• Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
• Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

 

[Venandi]

Here's an opinion on the "reasonableness aspect" of the law and a proposal to make the concept of "reasonableness" more homeowner friendly. 

Video posted with the intent of it being food for thought as opposed to something I'm personally advocating for or against.
 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by Venandi

[Nationalist]

The bottom line for me is, if someone breaks into my home, that person will meet with his/her end by my hand.

Then...sick Canuck fags can prosecute me.

[Skybolts]

On 8/30/2025 at 12:48 PM, blackbird said:

If you pointed a shotgun at an unarmed intruder and told him to leave immediately, and he didn't leave, what would you do?

Pointing a firearm intentionally at a person is a criminal offence in Canada. You will be charged. Matters not the situation. Exceptions are made for law enforcement of course, as they are above the law.

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The conservatives have twisted minds and lack judgment, and if your brother-in-law comes to take a lawnmower from your yard, you will have the right to kill him, that’s what will happen with their plan or a guy will ask for money from your convenience store’s cash register and the owner will pull out a gun and kill him. CONSERVATIVES ARE spirits THAT COME FROM HELL TO DISGUST US.

Everything you say is sofa-king stupid. I have no idea where you get that shit from. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

I'm very aware of the fact that you can represent yourself in court... but it's a bad idea . Anyone who represents themselves has a fool for a client.

And mainly because, like PP was saying, our laws don't make sense to the common people, and in some instances the laws and their application are downright stupid.

[Skybolts]

On 8/31/2025 at 2:36 PM, eyeball said:

Do you have any examples of this actually happening?  It all sounds like more what-if fear mongering. $10 says in the vast majority of a very small number of cases that charges are dropped long before it gets to court.

If insurance companies were paying attention they could probably make a fortune selling policies that cover legal fees in the event you're ever charged with defending yourself.

What a great example of how to make completely asinine arguments.

[Skybolts]

19 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The conservatives have twisted minds and lack judgment, and if your brother-in-law comes to take a lawnmower from your yard, you will have the right to kill him, that’s what will happen with their plan or a guy will ask for money from your convenience store’s cash register and the owner will pull out a gun and kill him. CONSERVATIVES ARE spirits THAT COME FROM HELL TO DISGUST US.

Nobody said anything about the "right to kill". 

Prime example of the typical Liberal mind; lacking logic, and reason.

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, Skybolts said:

Nobody said anything about the "right to kill". 

Prime example of the typical Liberal mind; lacking logic, and reason.

Oh, that's pretty tame for gaetan. He's pretty excited about the idea of a massive genocide against Israelis.

He's crazier than a sh1thouse rat and he makes Joe Biden look like a walking encyclopedia.