Pierre is back!

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

As always, get to the root of the problem if you want to fix it....   If you believe CBC is the reason people don't like Poilievre then that's on him to change the narrative.   

Which is precisely what I have said. Conservatives in Canada... and perhaps not just the party but conservatives on a grassroots level have to combat the mainstream narrative.

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I don't buy that CBC is the reason though....  people had more than enough opportunity to watch and listen to him talk for himself and didn't need CBC commentary for that.

But the commentary is precisely what very many people pay attention to. Most people I meet in daily life are not like the people on this forum. The impressions people get of whether someone is good or not are often contagious. Do other people like them? And that can be manufactured. You can observe this on social media all the time. I know tons of people who had Je Suis Charlie French flags on their profiles who have no idea what Charlie Hebdo is. 

[LinkSoul60]

35 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Political opinions aside. Does Carney actually come across as likeable to you? I mean it's not that I would say he is loathing or anything like that, but he is not charismatic by any measure.

Politics aside....   By the opinions of Canadian premiers and those on the other side of the political aisle like Danielle Smith, he's an affable and likeable person.  

He carries a much different persona than Poilievre does and that obviously appealed to people.

[CouchPotato]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

He carries a much different persona than Poilievre does and that obviously appealed to people.

Maybe. Or maybe it's the way he was portrayed vs Pierre.

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Which is precisely what I have said. Conservatives in Canada... and perhaps not just the party but conservatives on a grassroots level have to combat the mainstream narrative.

But the commentary is precisely what very many people pay attention to. Most people I meet in daily life are not like the people on this forum. The impressions people get of whether someone is good or not are often contagious. Do other people like them? And that can be manufactured. You can observe this on social media all the time. I know tons of people who had Je Suis Charlie French flags on their profiles who have no idea what Charlie Hebdo is. 

I get what you're saying, and only commenting on the way I tend to form opinions of people.  The media obviously plays a part in that but I'd like to think I can separate my own thoughts and opinions from a commentator, whomever it may be.

Poilievre has a challenge ahead of him to get that negative opinions changed....

3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Maybe. Or maybe it's the way he was portrayed vs Pierre.

Maybe....?  

[suds]

17 hours ago, Shady said:

Hopefully Pierre can fix this too.  Liberal policy has led us to having to sell our natural gas to the United States, who in turn sells it to Europe at a big profit.  If you support Liberal policy, you support idiocracy.

 

Yep! Excellent article. Australia has 10 LNG terminals. The U.S. has built 8 since 2016. For being one of the world's largest natural gas producers, Canada has 1 on the west coast that opened only a short while ago.  Europe comes to Trudeau pleading for our natural gas and other resources after Ukraine war begins. Trudeau says....  sorry, no business case. We're just a bunch of schmucks getting what we deserve. I hate to say this but it's true.

Edited August 28, 2025 by suds

[CouchPotato]

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Poilievre has a challenge ahead of him to get that negative opinions changed....

He doesn't back down like Carney.

He would have even been in Parliament this summer. Carney sent everyone on vacation after telling us we were in the greatest crisis we have ever faced.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're just filled to the brim with shit today aren't you?

 

 

LOL you're wrong and once again you're big mad and want it to be my fault  

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You even said he apologized.

I said he didn't lie which is what you're trying desperately to avoid  

[Legato]

35 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

As always, get to the root of the problem if you want to fix it....   If you believe CBC is the reason people don't like Poilievre then that's on him to change the narrative.  I don't buy that CBC is the reason though....  people had more than enough opportunity to watch and listen to him talk for himself and didn't need CBC commentary for that.  You either like or dislike some people for your own reasons in whatever they may be, and typically the only person that can change that is the person you have the opinion of.   

One day during the campaign the CTV website had 2 fawning articles about the Carney and 5 yes 5 articles denigrating Poilievre. This was the trend throughout.

The weak minded fell for it. Fast forward to today, the media still continues with this biased coverage.

All paid for by your illustrious Liberal government.

108 media outlets received a total of $22,193,608.09 in funding as of April 23.

Media outlets will receive a total of $100 million annually from the collective, to be paid in instalments.

Below is the list of the 10 outlets that received the most money from the journalism collective in the first round of payment to eligible groups.

Postmedia Network Inc $4,268,319.33

The Globe and Mail Inc. $2,062,409.41

Metroland Media Group Ltd. $1,953,750.36

La Presse inc $1,615,942.78

Coopérative nationale de l’information indépendante $1,475,782.47

Black Press Group Ltd. $1,371,649.8

Canadian Press Enterprises Inc $1,355,445.93

FP Canadian Newspapers Limited Partnership (FPLP) $785,873.32

Icimedias inc $411,743.49

Glacier Media Digital Limited Partnership $397,002.77.

https://thehub.ca/2025/05/05/the-names-of-media-outlets-receiving-government-mandated-funding-released-only-days-after-election/

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL you're wrong and once again you're big mad and want it to be my fault  

I said he didn't lie which is what you're trying desperately to avoid  

You're saying Harper promised to close the income trust loophole?

Cite? (Fat chance) 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Yep! Excellent article. Australia has 10 LNG terminals. The U.S. has built 8 since 2016. For being one of the world's largest natural gas producers, Canada has 1 on the west coast that opened only a short while ago.  Europe comes to Trudeau pleading for our natural gas and other resources after Ukraine war begins. Trudeau says....  sorry, no business case. We're just a bunch of schmucks getting what we deserve. I hate to say this but it's true.

Germany has built one in 190 days.  Carney's been in office for 170 days, and so far there isn't even an approval of one.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

One day during the campaign the CTV website had 2 fawning articles about the Carney and 5 yes 5 articles denigrating Poilievre. This was the trend throughout.

The weak minded fell for it. Fast forward to today, the media still continues with this biased coverage.

All paid for by your illustrious Liberal government.

108 media outlets received a total of $22,193,608.09 in funding as of April 23.

Media outlets will receive a total of $100 million annually from the collective, to be paid in instalments.

Below is the list of the 10 outlets that received the most money from the journalism collective in the first round of payment to eligible groups.

Postmedia Network Inc $4,268,319.33

The Globe and Mail Inc. $2,062,409.41

Metroland Media Group Ltd. $1,953,750.36

La Presse inc $1,615,942.78

Coopérative nationale de l’information indépendante $1,475,782.47

Black Press Group Ltd. $1,371,649.8

Canadian Press Enterprises Inc $1,355,445.93

FP Canadian Newspapers Limited Partnership (FPLP) $785,873.32

Icimedias inc $411,743.49

Glacier Media Digital Limited Partnership $397,002.77.

https://thehub.ca/2025/05/05/the-names-of-media-outlets-receiving-government-mandated-funding-released-only-days-after-election/

It's your liberal government too....

I get what you're trying to say but I'm of the belief we all have the opportunity to form our own opinions rather than listening to 'his' or 'hers' and believing that's the gospel.  Of course there are weak minded people that believe everything that's in print or the TV, but that just doesn't apply to 'liberals'.

It is what it is and if Poilievre wants to change the masses opinions of him then he's going to have to work at it. 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What more can be said....?  Poilievre lost the election and his Ontario riding for a reason.  One of those is the obvious, people preferred Carney.  The second is that women and persons in the older age groups in particular generally don't like the guy...  his persona and lack of charisma are not endearing.  Call it what you want....if a person doesn't like you because of persona you project, they're not voting for you.

That is exactly why the country is in the mess it is in.  People like you don't understand politics and you vote for your favourite personality.  What a disaster.  You need to start studying the King James Bible and learn something.

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

He doesn't back down like Carney.

He would have even been in Parliament this summer. Carney sent everyone on vacation after telling us we were in the greatest crisis we have ever faced.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that Poilievre is likeable and is PM material?  Again, the facts say that the majority of people don't think so and don't want him as our PM so nothing more I can add to that.

 

No doubt that his failure also has something to do with what he stands for, and what he doesn't stand for....

Find Pierre’s Voting Record on the House of Commons Website.

VOTED AGAINST:

• Bill C-31, An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing
• Affordable housing and addressing Canada’s housing crisis (2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2018 and 2019)
• Bill C-48 Raising the federal minimum wage (2004)
• Bill C-2 Tax cuts for the working middle class (2015)
• Bill C-64 Free diabetes medication
• Bill C-19 Tax-free first home savings account (2022)
• e-4516 Free Contraceptives
• $10-a-day child care
• Dental care
• The National School Food Program
• The Canada Child Benefit
• Pharmacare
• Voted 8 times against federal anti-scab legislation (2004-2023)
• In 20 years as a MP, he has voted against protecting the environment 400 times
• Voted against expansion of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP), the most significant improvement to Canada’s public pension system in 50 years (2016)
• Voted against a 10% increase to the Old Age Security pension for those aged 75 and above (2021)
• Voted against taxing the rich by opposing raising the capital gains inclusion rates (2024)
• Subsidized daycare
• Same-sex marriage
• Stronger gun control

WHAT HE’S FOR:

• Voted for $43.5 billion cut to healthcare funding 
• Voted for $196.1 billion cut to funds for surgery and emergency room wait times
• As Housing Minister in Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, he allowed 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold off to corporate landlords and developers.
• Voted to increase the age of eligibility for Old Age Security (OAS) and the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) from 65 to 67 (2012)
• Pierre promoted allowing employers to abandon the pension they promised to workers 
• Supported hiking the retirement age from 65-67
• Supported C-377 and C-525 bills, which tried to bury unions
• Supported eliminating dependable defined benefits pensions and replacing them with inferior plans that take all the risk off banks and bosses and put it on the backs of workers, replace with Pooled Registered Pension Plan (PRPP) employer participation and contributions are voluntary
• Defined marriage as a union between ‘one man and one women t the exclusion of all others” (2005) 
• Said Indigenous Peoples needed to learn the value of hard work more than they needed compensation for residential schools (2008) – “are we really getting value for all of this money” value of hard work, independence and self-reliance
• Worked to bring American-style anti-union laws to Canada (2013)
• Made it harder for Canadians to vote (2014) by introducing the Fair Election Act
• Promoted a ‘niqab ban’ (2015) “not going to succumb to political correctness in order to accommodate a practice that it is not aligned with Canadian values”
• Followed the American far-right playbook to use anti 2sLGBTQI+ language (2023) – radical gender ideology on kids – woke gender ideology imposed on our children – radical gender ideology – religion of gender ideology, proponents of radical gender ideology. 
• Called child care a ‘slush fund,’ and tried to cut programs that support the middle class (2021) 
• Encouraged Canadians to ‘opt-out on inflation’ with volatile crypto-currencies (2022) 
• Used misogynist YouTube tags to court far-right supporters (2022) – men going their own way: term coined by misogynistic men who try to cut women completely out of their lives
• Pushed an anti-vaccine agenda (2023)
• Committed to free votes, allowing his MP to bring forward anti-abortion legislation (2023)  endorsed by an anti-choice group. Interview with Jordan Peterson was sponsored by an anti-choice group.
• Supported illegal convoy blockades (2023) calling them “cheerful, patriotic, optimistic Canadians” 
• Delivered a speech to a group that claimed it was a “myth” that residential schools robbed Indigenous children of their childhood (2023)
• Visited and courted far-right extremist groups such as Diagolon (2022-2024)
• Turned his back on Ukraine (2024) – voted against support 
• Said he’d use the notwithstanding clause, overriding Canadian’s rights (2024)
• Talked down pandemic supports that helped millions of Canadians pay their bills during the crisis (2020) “we are conservatives we don’t believe in that”, we “don’t believe in big fat government programs”
• Posed with someone wearing a ‘straight pride’ shirt during Pride season (2023)
• Used the term ‘tar baby’ in the House of Commons (2009)
• Terminated the federal Housing Accelerator Fund, cutting billions of dollars from housing construction and making it harder for municipalities to build more homes.
• In January 2025, Poilievre stated he is only aware of two genders and expressed that the government should not involve itself in questions of gender identity.
• Has publicly stated that he will defund the CBC 
• Big donors are real estate investors: Richard Abboud, the CEO of an REIT called Forum Asset Management is listed as donating $7,875 to the federal Conservative party since 2017, according to Elections Canada records.
• Poilievre’s chief strategist is a lobbyist for Galen Weston and Loblaws
• His deputy leader lobbied to protect a for-profit long-term care company that saw record profits and high fatalities during the pandemic
• His caucus chair is the chairman of a major grocery chain

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

That is exactly why the country is in the mess it is in.  People like you don't understand politics and you vote for your favourite personality.  What a disaster.  You need to start studying the King James Bible and learn something.

And you know me so well to know how I've voted over the past elections don't you.  Sure....

Go get a Poilievre tattoo if you're that enamoured with him....

[CouchPotato]

 

 

[Legato]

50 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's your liberal government too....

I get what you're trying to say but I'm of the belief we all have the opportunity to form our own opinions rather than listening to 'his' or 'hers' and believing that's the gospel.  Of course there are weak minded people that believe everything that's in print or the TV, but that just doesn't apply to 'liberals'.

It is what it is and if Poilievre wants to change the masses opinions of him then he's going to have to work at it. 

When people allow their opinions to be swayed by relentless biased bought and paid for news coverage, and there are many, it is not what it is.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're saying Harper promised to close the income trust loophole?

Cite? (Fat chance) 

I said he didn't lie.  And he didn't. 

But i love that you're so emotionally damaged you have to make up crap i didn't say to argue with rather than just admit the truth  

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that Poilievre is likeable and is PM material?  Again, the facts say that the majority of people don't think so and don't want him as our PM so nothing more I can add to that.

 

Almost an identical number of people wanted him to be pm as carney. 

If you have to lie to make your point then you probably don't have a very good point.  Say it till you learn it. 

[LinkSoul60]

23 minutes ago, Legato said:

When people allow their opinions to be swayed by relentless biased bought and paid for news coverage, and there are many, it is not what it is.

There's two sides to every debate... and it can be as easily said that conservative voter opinions were/are based on opinions of others they've found in conservative leaning Toronto Sun, National Post, G&M, etc...

Whether there were more liberal or conservative voters who 'allowed their opinions to be swayed', we'll never know.

So yes, it is what it is.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I said he didn't lie.  And he didn't. 

Oh...well, the people who lost $35 billion sure have a different opinion on that, the same as just about every media outlet that reported on it.

You also said he apologized...for what though is still a mystery. You haven't made that up yet.

[herbie]

Mr. I will fix the govt by cutting off all it's sources of revenue is you guys hero? I will secure the future by going backwards?

Sure. Hate Liberals so much you prefer that instead. Or use your f*cking head.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh...well, the people who lost $35 billion sure have a different opinion on that,

No, they don't. They say he broke his word. Which is true.  But he didn't lie. 

I know, it always makes you big mad when you're proven wrong. But, here we are yet again. 

15 minutes ago, herbie said:

Sure. Hate Liberals so much you prefer that instead.

Prefer the truth you mean?  Well, it has nothing to do with hating liberals. 

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They say he broke his word. Which is true.  But he didn't lie.

🤔

🤣

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I know, it always makes you big mad when you're proven wrong.

Where's that proof again? Oh right it must be queued up behind that apology you're still working on.

LMAO!

[Legato]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There's two sides to every debate... and it can be as easily said that conservative voter opinions were/are based on opinions of others they've found in conservative leaning Toronto Sun, National Post, G&M, etc...

Whether there were more liberal or conservative voters who 'allowed their opinions to be swayed', we'll never know.

So yes, it is what it is.

Only one Liberal payment side to the media so no it is not, telling how you casually ignore the obvious.

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[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Where's that proof again?

Typical.  when anything gets proven to you, 5 minutes later you conveniently "forget"  

Harper said he was "forced" to do it when it became clear that companies would abuse the law and it would cripple the fed's income. 

He said it wasn't something they planned to do but something they wound up having to do , he called it his most difficult decision. 

Harper says taxing income trusts was most difficult decision – Winnipeg Free Press

he correctly noted that with changes that had happened major corporations could now pay no tax and offshore investors wouldn't so canada would lose billions in tax revenues that were never part of the original plan. 

 Sucks to be you  

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

he correctly noted that with changes that had happened major corporations could now pay no tax and offshore investors wouldn't so canada would lose billions in tax revenues that were never part of the original plan.

Like I said, I'm definitely on side with closing loopholes for corporations.

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sucks to be you

Hey, you're the loser who's explaining how his fave politicians broken promise isn't a lie and that he even apologized for it. 

Presumably behind the paywall I doubt you ever read yourself.