Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[herbie]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The land of Israel includes the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.  The whole land historically and Biblically belongs to Israel.  Nothing Carney or other countries say will change that fact

You mention "Biblical" and "fact" in the same sentence. Perhaps one reason you've been so misled.

[blackbird]

58 minutes ago, herbie said:

You mention "Biblical" and "fact" in the same sentence. Perhaps one reason you've been so misled.

"The consequences of rejecting God’s Word are severe and far-reaching. Proverbs 1:24-28 warns that those who reject God’s counsel and refuse His reproof will face calamity, distress, and anguish. When we turn away from God’s Word, we sever our connection with Him and lose the guidance and protection He provides.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28 presents a clear choice before us: blessing or curse. Obedience to God’s commandments brings blessing, while disobeying and rejecting God’s Word leads to curses. It is essential for us to heed God’s Word, obey His commandments, and turn away from the pursuit of worldly desires that lead us away from Him.

The journey back to obedience is always possible with God’s grace. Here are some encouraging tips from the Bible to help you reconnect with your faith:

Acknowledge your shortcomings: Like David in Psalm 51, start by honestly admitting your sins to God. (Psalm 51:3).

Seek God’s forgiveness: Trust in His unfailing love and mercy. (Psalm 51:7).

Commit to change: Ask God to renew your spirit and strengthen your resolve. (Psalm 51:10).

Embrace God’s Word: Immerse yourself in Scripture to guide your path back to obedience.

Related Topic: Consequences Of Disobeying God

The Path to Restoration

Although the consequences of despising God’s Word are dire, there is hope for restoration. God is a God of mercy and grace, and He offers forgiveness and reconciliation to those who repent and turn back to Him. It may come at a cost, but the redemption and restoration God offers are worth it.

As believers, we must recognize the importance of cherishing and obeying God’s Word. It is through His Word that we find guidance, wisdom, and strength to navigate the challenges of life. Let us not reject His Word but embrace it, allowing it to transform us and lead us into a deeper relationship with Him.

Conclusion

In conclusion, the consequences of rejecting God’s Word are severe and far-reaching. We must heed the warnings from history and recognize the importance of cherishing and obeying God’s Word. Let us not be like those who mock and despise His messengers but rather humble ourselves before Him and embrace His teachings. Through obedience to God’s Word, we can find victory, restoration, and a blessed life in His presence."

Rejecting God's Word and its Terrible Consequences

You need to read the gospel of John and be born again by faith in Jesus Christ.  That is the bottom line.   

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by blackbird

[paxamericana]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We have gone through far worse. We will get through this and let us never forget.

Or you can 51st no need to die on some moral hilltop 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Boges said:

Ahhh so four news organizations are reporting what's happening and you don't believe them. 

I think you're the one falling for the propaganda. 

 

So because an evil terrorist organization won't give up their only leverage, an entire civilian population has to starve. 

It's what Jesus would have wanted. 

Really and where does these four media organizations get most of their news from, HAMAS controls the narrative, like how many are killed, or wounded, what was bombed...etc etc. conveniently leaving out those hospitals that were bombed where HAMAS HQ's or shelters....So yes the news has to be taken with a grain of salt....somewhere in the middle is the truth....

That is how war works....civilian population pay the highest price of anyone on the battlefield...and they are not starving, they are hungry but not starving.... Somalia those people were starving...When the civilian population has had enough they will over throw the terrorist government...or live with it...

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Hamas was elected in like 2006. Most people alive in Gaza weren't even alive. 

You don't starve them. That's a war crime. 

Israel is on the road to becoming a global pariah. 

A little bit of information is a dangerous thing, Boges.

I commend you for saying some things that are ostensibly true, instead of just knowingly rattling off a stream of lies, but you've been duped into reaching false conclusions based on some slick/sickening propaganda, bud.

Just remember that almost everything that anyone in gov't or a media outlet says during a war is propaganda, even for the side that's winning. 

As important as it is for media outlets to control the narrative during an election or a pandemic, that's nothing comapred to how hard they ie during a war.

Remember when the Ukrainians were theoretically wiping out Russians and no Ukrainians were dying, but Ukraine lost 20% of their country?

This is the middle-eastern version of the exact same thing. 

FYI the Egyptians aren't letting Gazans out. Hamas isn't letting Gazans out. The only people who have a vested interest in not killing Gazans is the IDF, because dead Gazans are bad for the IDF.

Are dead Gazans bad for the Ayatollah, Boges?

Do you honestly think that, right now, the Ayatollah is interested in preventing the deaths of women and children in Gaza? Would he actually lift a finger to do that?

If 200,000 Gazans die, but that helps Iran gin up enough hatred towards Israel to get all 10M of the Israelis killed, do you think the Ayatollah will be happy or sad? Honest answer. 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/news-organizations-journalists-gaza-face-starvation-1.7592779

 

Here is some of that aid being sold on the black market....does not look like anyone is starving....and with unlimited funding foreign journalist would know where to get food if they need to this is just another ploy to make the situation look desperate...food is there if you have money...

https://dnyuz.com/2025/07/29/gangs-and-merchants-sell-food-aid-in-gaza-where-israels-offensive-has-shattered-security/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/30/were-not-here-to-beg-gaza-residents-anger-over-steep-rise-in-prices

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

You mention "Biblical" and "fact" in the same sentence. Perhaps one reason you've been so misled.

And he clearly distinguished between the two, jackass. Are you really so clueless that you didn't notice that? 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, User said:

Hama is 100% the issue here. Israel is not starving people to death, they are fighting a war against Hamas they started on October 7th 2 years ago when Hamas invaded killing, raping, torturing, and taking hostages that they still have today. 

I'm not against you here, but TBH, this war is really about the tunnels. Hamas was dumb enough to attack, and that gave Israel the chance they needed to go in and get rid of the tunnels. 

Hamas actually had a "good" thing going for themselves with those tunnels. At some point, Iran will get a nuke, and when they do, their plan was going to be to attack Israel from below. 

I honestly think it's just a matter of time before all 10M Israelis are slaughtered. Islamic hatred has been around for 1400 years, and it just takes a couple bad days to win a military victory across a country as small as Israel. At its widest point, Israel is only about 70 miles across.Can they really have a 2,000-year-long winning streak against all the countries that want a genocide there? 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

No these guys are grasping at any straw whatsoever, even if it contradicts what they're trying to defend, to excuse the disgusting abuses of the govt of Israel.

Whereas you are just lying and promoting propaganda pictures that are false

 

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Because the kid in the picture was sick is not proof that the intended mass starvation is not happening

It proves their willing to lie about it

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That they  started lettin aid trucks in yesterday or the week before does not prove they weren't blocking them the week before.

Doesn't prove they were though

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They'll swear that seat belt laws don't work because people who won't use them are still dying.

???? Still one more day before the long weekend Bud, lay off of the nyQuil

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Desperate, lying. petty little flunkies in denial, beholden to their preconceived beliefs. 

Don't talk about your friends like that  That's our job!

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Canada voted in a government that is trying to help stop a genocide.  Good. 

A made-up genocide. The smallest in history.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

The fact that Trump is using this to claim a deal is unreachable shows that these tariffs are nothing more than ideological tools. 

Israel's conduct in Gaza has erased any moral authority they have in the region. Bebe is waging war on the entire region to pacify the Zionists in his government. 

This comment is simply ignorant. But it shows how successful Iran's propaganda campaign has been.

By the way, the term 'zionist' is not a pejorative term, though the left and antisemites are trying to make it so. It just means those who support a homeland for Jews. Thus all Israelis are 'zionists'.

Israel is attacked by Hamas, Hezbollah, and Yemen, all organized, funded, equipped and advised by Iran. And yet it's somehow Israel's fault for not dying quietly, for not being 'good victims'. 

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

Hamas is evil, but so is basically turning Gaza into a giant concentration camp. This was always the problem with Gaza. Blockading the region only made the problem worse and allowed for October 7th to happen. 

Here's your concentration camp before the war. Looks like pretty much every Arab city or town,and one hell of a lot better than a lot of what you'll see in Bangladesh, Pakistan or parts of Egypt, Nigeria or Brazil.

22 hours ago, Boges said:

Actually treating starving civilians with some compassion would do a lot better to make the region safer than only making Hamas the more appealing option. 

What starving civilians? Hours and hours of video coming out of gaza every day and none of starving civilians. You know what starving people look like? 

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205087110

 

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

Hamas was elected in like 2006. Most people alive in Gaza weren't even alive. 

Right. Gaza has a very young population, and Hamas has been in charge of their school system for 18 years, which means all those young people have been indoctrinated by Hamas.

Hatred of Jews is prevalent throughout the Muslim world. It's sky high in Gaza. Many Palestinian civilians took advantage of the holes in the fences on Oct 7 to cross into Israel to burn, loot, rape and kidnap.

22 hours ago, Boges said:

You don't starve them. That's a war crime. 

Israel is on the road to becoming a global pariah. 

Iran thanks you for being a good follower of their propaganda.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/news-organizations-journalists-gaza-face-starvation-1.7592779

You realize these 'journalists' are all Palestinians, right? That they are thus required to say whatever Hamas wants them to say? That so-called journalists in Gaza have turned out, as often as not, to e members of Hamas?

21 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Reporting the news. 

They are Palestinians who report what news Hamas wants them to.

21 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I notice it is very un-Christian to watch starving children and gleefully enjoy their suffering.  

Oh? You've been watching? Show us some videos or pictures, please.

21 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm sure you're the type of person who'd believe the Nazis when they say nothing is going on in that camp over there as well. 

Well... you are.

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm actually believing journalists on the ground. See my post a bit earlier. 

Hamas is not the issue here. It's the more than a million civilians that Israel are systematically starving to death with no plan on how to deal with them. 

How many have starved so far? Oh? None? Oh, okay. Are you aware that the UN has been sounding the alarm for months now about the worst crisis of the 21st century, with a huge unhoused refugee population, starvation, mass rape, death, cholera etc? In Sudan? Probably not. No Jews there so who cares?

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You realize these 'journalists' are all Palestinians, right?  

Are there journalists who are contradicting the claims of malnutrition ?  I'm asking honestly because I'm not following this closely.

 

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How many have starved so far? Oh? None? Oh, okay.

It sounds like you would agree that a single death to starvation would require a response.

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Hamas won the war the moment the IDF invaded. The Israel gave Hamas exactly what the terrorists were after. 

What choice did Israel have? Seriously.

21 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Israel should never have been placed in Palistine. Nobody asked the people who live there if they wanted Israel plopped down on top of them

And nobody should have created Jordan, Syria or Saudi Arabia. Anything more you want to complain about from the distant past?

The only reason there are such problems around Israel is the massive, vicious religious bigotry and extremism of the Arabs who cannot stand the thought of a tiny state there not governed by Muslims.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

No these guys are grasping at any straw whatsoever, even if it contradicts what they're trying to defend, to excuse the disgusting abuses of the govt of Israel.
Because the kid in the picture was sick is not proof that the intended mass starvation is not happening.

Hey, shit-for-brains. It's your job to show it IS happening. Not ours to prove it isn't. 

Edited August 1, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are there journalists who are contradicting the claims of malnutrition ?  I'm asking honestly because I'm not following this closely.

The problem is if you are in Gaza you don't contradict Hamas. Or you die. If you are not in Gaza it's kind of hard to prove. And proving a negative is always hard. If there is mass starvation in Gaza, why aren't we seeing it in the hours of video Hamas/Iran pumps out every day? 

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It sounds like you would agree that a single death to starvation would require a response.

People die of malnutrition in Canada and the US, usually due to circumstances involving criminality. I'm saying we know what mass starvation looks like from all those videos from back in the day from Ethiopia, Somalia, etc. We know what it looks like from video of concentration camp surviors, from freed POWs after Japan surrendered. And we're seeing none of that from Gaza. 

Nor is this the first time we've heard famine claims. It was all over the news a year ago, only then the truce happened and we saw all those outside videos of well-fed Palestinians and the UN had to backtrack and admit there had never been a famine.

[User]

49 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What choice did Israel have? Seriously.

Die. They are supposed to just sit there and die. Duh. 

*saracasm*

 

[Barquentine]

On 7/31/2025 at 11:01 AM, blackbird said:

Trump issues warning to Canada over Palestine recognition pledge

And then an hour later said it would have no affect on trade negotiations.

Who knows what's what anymore?

 

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, User said:

No. The NYT updated their story after they posted that picture of the starving kid on the cover:

"Mohammed, according to his doctor, had pre-existing health problems affecting his brain and his muscle development. But his health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food and medical care, and the medical clinic that treated him said he suffers from severe malnutrition."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/nyt-adds-sick-editors-note-133447197.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/gaza-starvation.html

When it is in response to Hamas starting this war with Israel? Yes. 

He was also having seizures.

He was seemingly killed by the divine 😉

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

And then an hour later said it would have no affect on trade negotiations.

Who knows what's what anymore?

 

You would have to be 17 different kinds of stupid not to realize this is going to p*ss trump off, and that trump allows his emotions to affect his decisions and actions.

This was the stupidest thing he could have done right now. I mean it's dumb to do it at all, but if you're going to do it and wait till negotiations with trump are over and then do it.

This is the equivalent of telling your boss that you really like to sleep with his wife cuz she's cute while you're in the middle of negotiating your raise.

[User]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are there journalists who are contradicting the claims of malnutrition ?  I'm asking honestly because I'm not following this closely.

Which is it you are saying is happening here, starvation or just malnutrition?

Because the link you provided was for starvation in a discussion about starvation, and now you are asking questions about malnutrition. 

I don't think anyone can argue there is not malnutrition when it comes on having to rely upon food aid being shipped in like it is because the concepts of "fresh" balanced meals being available is a bit hard to do in a war zone...

The article also makes no credible mention of wide spread starvation which is also the accusation being made. 

People being hungry, unsure of where their meals are coming from, not getting the right balance of nutrients... yeah, clearly, in a war zone like this with what is going on, that is going to be impossible to provide. 

Imagine if we did not waste so much time during the initial war with Biden in office ham stringing Israel to drag this war out and instead just went right at demolishing Hamas more quickly, things might have been over a lot sooner. 

The sooner Hamas knows it is hopeless for them and Canada and others are not constantly rewarding their terrorism and barbarism, the better. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

A made-up genocide. The smallest in history.

And a genocide in which the vast majority of the "victims" were:

1. martyred by their own side, or
2. terrorists, who were actually intent on killing women and children themselves