Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[blackbird]

Carney's announcement this week to recognize a state of Palestine is proving to be the most ill-conceived announcement possible.

Firstly, for several important reasons it demonstrate the complete ignorance of the situation in the middle east.

Secondly, he did it just at the point we are trying to reach a trade agreement with the U.S.  Being the PM surrounded by advisors, he should have known that kind of announcement would provoke a very strong negative reaction from Trump and could blow up any possible trade agreement.  

"But Carney's announcement on Wednesday that he will formally recognize the state of Palestine in September has apparently thrown a wrench in the negotiations. 'Wow! Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine,' Trump wrote on his Truth Social page Wednesday night. 'That will make it very hard for us to make a Trade Deal with them. Oh Canada!!'  "

"But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has railed against the efforts, saying Starmer has rewarded 'Hamas's monstrous terrorism' while punishing its victims. 'A jihadist state on Israel's border today will threaten Britain tomorrow. Appeasement towards jihadist terrorists always fails. It will fail you too. It will not happen,' the Israeli PM added. Israel's Foreign Ministry echoed Netanyahu's words, adding: 'The shift in the British government's position at this time... constitutes a reward for Hamas and harms efforts to achieve a ceasefire in Gaza and a framework for the release of hostages.'"

Trump issues warning to Canada over Palestine recognition pledge

Carney and his government are sending the wrong message.  They are telling Hamas and other terrorist groups there is a reward for what you are doing.  Carving Israel into two and putting it in an extremely vulnerable position is exactly what the enemies of Israel want.

It is interesting that Carney and the Liberals have such an inflated ego that they think what they say matters so much and will make such a difference in the world.  They think poking their nose into the middle east situation by making announcements will change things.  Not much chance of that.  The U.N. has been making pronouncements for 70 years mostly against Israel.  It has accomplished nothing.  Israel is the country under attack by surrounding Islamic terrorist groups in the middle east and they are the ones who must decide how they must defend themselves.

Canada is getting exactly what they voted for in Carney, lots of bravado but little substance.

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[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Canada is getting exactly what they voted for.

Canada voted in a government that is trying to help stop a genocide.  Good. 

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[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Canada is getting exactly what they voted for.

None of us voted for partitioning Palestine, that was our grandfather's and great-grandfathers who did that.

We just get the consequences and responsibility for fixing the mess they left.

You said it best...

Firstly for several important reasons it demonstrate the complete ignorance of the situation in the middle east.

[Boges]

The fact that Trump is using this to claim a deal is unreachable shows that these tariffs are nothing more than ideological tools. 

Israel's conduct in Gaza has erased any moral authority they have in the region. Bebe is waging war on the entire region to pacify the Zionists in his government. 

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

Israel's conduct in Gaza has erased any moral authority they have in the region.

You are assuming everything that is happening in Gaza is Israel's fault.  How do you know the news reports are not entirely biased and one-sided to paint a certain picture benefiting Hamas?   How do you know the situation you see on the news was not engineered by Hamas ?

How would you eliminate Hamas?

[Boges]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You are assuming everything that is happening in Gaza is Israel's fault.  How do you know the news reports are not entirely biased and one-sided to paint a certain picture benefiting Hamas?   How do you know the situation you see on the news was not engineered by Hamas ?

How would you eliminate Hamas?

You can't eliminate Hamas, just like you couldn't eliminate the Taliban, the Viet Kong or ISIS. 

Hamas is evil, but so is basically turning Gaza into a giant concentration camp. This was always the problem with Gaza. Blockading the region only made the problem worse and allowed for October 7th to happen. 

Actually treating starving civilians with some compassion would do a lot better to make the region safer than only making Hamas the more appealing option. 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Blockading the region only made the problem worse and allowed for October 7th to happen. 

you seem to think Gaza is full of peace-loving normal people perhaps like you might find in a normal country.  Perhaps you think like that because we are living in a country where most people are normal peace-loving people.   That is not how it is in the middle east, particularly with Palestinians.

Gaza is full of Hamas supporters who are brainwashed into believing Israel should be destroyed. That is how the young people are trained to think.

That makes them a major threat to Israel.  

So what do you do with a group of people like that?   Just let them come into your country and suicide bomb you and kill your people?   

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

you seem to think Gaza is full of peace-loving normal people perhaps like you might find in a normal country.  Perhaps you think like that because we are living in a country where most people are normal peace-loving people.   That is not how it is in the middle east, particularly with Palestinians.

Gaza is full of Hamas supporters who are brainwashed into believing Israel should be destroyed. That is how the young people are trained to think.

Hamas was elected in like 2006. Most people alive in Gaza weren't even alive. 

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That makes them a major threat to Israel.  

So what do you do with a group of people like that?   Just let them come into your country and suicide bomb you and kill your people?   

 

You don't starve them. That's a war crime. 

Israel is on the road to becoming a global pariah. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

You don't starve them. That's a war crime. 

Israel is on the road to becoming a global pariah. 

Israel says they are not starving them.   How do you know who is telling the truth?

Israel has always been a "global pariah".  The Jews have been a global pariah for much of the past 1,700 to 2,000 years.  If you read history on the Jews, you would know they have been persecuted for most of history throughout Europe and other places in the world.

The U.N. has been passing mostly anti-Israel resolutions since Israel was re-established in 1948.

Most of the world thinks the conflict in the middle east is mainly Israel's fault, while they are just defending their country.  The hatred for Israel is reflected in the resolutions passed by the U.N. through the past 75 years.   Canada is part of that U.N. gang and a devout follower since it was formed.

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[Boges]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Israel say they are not starving them.   How do you know who is telling the truth?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/news-organizations-journalists-gaza-face-starvation-1.7592779

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Four leading news organizations said Thursday their journalists in Gaza are facing the threat of starvation as the Israel-Hamas war grinds on, as ceasefire negotiations appeared to stall after Israel and the United States recalled their delegations, cutting the talks short.

"We are desperately concerned for our journalists in Gaza, who are increasingly unable to feed themselves and their families," said a joint statement by The Associated Press, Agence France-Presse, Reuters and the BBC.

"For many months, these independent journalists have been the world's eyes and ears on the ground in Gaza. They are now facing the same dire circumstances as those they are covering."

 

 

[blackbird]

Notice that the NDP announced it strongly supports Carney's announcement to recognize Palestine as a state in September.

PM Starmer in the UK made the same kind of announcement recently.  

Notice it is the left wing "progressives" who are most keen to recognize a so-called two state solution.  

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

"For many months, these independent journalists have been the world's eyes and ears on the ground in Gaza. They are now facing the same dire circumstances as those they are covering."

They are doing a great job for Hamas in being there and painting a picture to make Palestinians look like the victims.  Pure propaganda.  

First of all, what are these "independent journalists" doing in Gaza?   What are they doing in the middle of a war zone?

They are not independent journalists.  They are obviously working for the anti-Israel global gang.  They are there to create an anti-Israel narrative, exactly what Hamas wants and loves.   

If Hamas really wants peace, why didn't they release the hostages long ago and surrender entirely?  

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[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

First of all, what are these "independent journalists" doing in Gaza?

Reporting the news. 
 

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

If Hamas really wants peace

Hamas doesn’t want peace.  Neither do the Israelis.  

 

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Notice

I notice it is very un-Christian to watch starving children and gleefully enjoy their suffering.  

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They are doing a great job for Hamas in being there and painting a picture to make Palestinians look like the victims.  Pure propaganda.  

First of all, what are these "independent journalists" doing in Gaza?   What are they doing in the middle of a war zone?

They are not independent journalists.  They are obviously working for the anti-Israel global gang.  They are there to create an anti-Israel narrative, exactly what Hamas wants and loves.   

Ahhh so four news organizations are reporting what's happening and you don't believe them. 

I think you're the one falling for the propaganda. 

 

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If Hamas really wants peace, why didn't they release the hostages long ago and surrender entirely?  

So because an evil terrorist organization won't give up their only leverage, an entire civilian population has to starve. 

It's what Jesus would have wanted. 

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[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Notice it is the left wing "progressives" who are most keen to recognize a so-called two state solution.  

It's been the official policy of most centrist parties for a while.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's been the official policy of most centrist parties for a while.

Are you calling the NDP a "centrist party"?   They are really radical left closer to Communist.  Were you aware Jagmeet endorsed the Cuban Communist revolution and said it helped the people?

Communists have always been anti-Semites.  No surprise there.  But the fact they would feel the need to announce their support of what Carney announced shows how anti-Israel they are.  The Liberals and NDP are just stoking anti-Semitism in Canada which has become much worse in the west since the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 two years ago.   That is exactly as Hamas wants it. They gladly accept any more support to increase anti-Semitism they can get.

Expect to see more anti-Semitic acts of vandalism or terrorism in Canada since Carney did this.  All Carney is doing is playing into the hands of anti-Semites.

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[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, Boges said:

So because an evil terrorist organization won't give up their only leverage, an entire civilian population has to starve. 

Israel denies that the population is starving.  Perhaps Hamas is creating a certain scenario to stage before all those "independent" journalists.  You wholeheartedly believe everything you see on the screen without having a clue as to whether it is representative of the whole population or just a staged show in a certain area.

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[Boges]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Israel denies that the population is starving.  Perhaps Hamas is creating a certain scenario to stage before all those "independent" journalists.  You wholeheartedly believe everything you see on the screen without having a clue as to whether it is representative of the whole population or just a staged show in a certain area.

I'm sure you're the type of person who'd believe the Nazis when they say nothing is going on in that camp over there as well. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

The fact that Trump is using this to claim a deal is unreachable shows that these tariffs are nothing more than ideological tools. 

Israel's conduct in Gaza has erased any moral authority they have in the region. Bebe is waging war on the entire region to pacify the Zionists in his government. 

That's still means we're going to get a worse deal.

Carney should have cared about his own people before he worry about Gaza. He could always have recognize Gaza after we got a deal

[Boges]

 

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That's still means we're going to get a worse deal.

Carney should have cared about his own people before he worry about Gaza. He could always have recognize Gaza after we got a deal

There's an appeals court case right now about this exact thing. 

Trump made these tariffs on Canada and Mexico all about fentanyl. It's clear that it has nothing to do with the original premise of the tariffs. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm sure you're the type of person who'd believe the Nazis when they say nothing is going on in that camp over there as well. 

That's a terrible argument. Hamas is the Nazis. Hamas is the one that you're believing.

 

[Boges]

Just now, CdnFox said:

That's a terrible argument. Hamas is the Nazis. Hamas is the one that you're believing.

I'm actually believing journalists on the ground. See my post a bit earlier. 

Hamas is not the issue here. It's the more than a million civilians that Israel are systematically starving to death with no plan on how to deal with them. 

[Queenmandy85]

Hamas won the war the moment the IDF invaded. The Israel gave Hamas exactly what the terrorists were after. 

Israel should never have been placed in Palistine. Nobody asked the people who live there if they wanted Israel plopped down on top of them

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

There's an appeals court case right now about this exact thing. 

 

Doesn't matter. He's already got backup plans if that falls through.

In the meantime our economy is going to be shredded. We've been able to stave off the problem for a while but that won't last for much longer and then it's going to have a real impact and recovering from that impact is not going to be easy

Carney was elected to do one job, deal with trump. So far he has failed at every single turn. He has dropped the counter tariffs he promised, he's folded on a number of issues and increased spending that we can't really afford to all the while trump is putting more and more tariffs on us. Our Automotive sector is in shambles, are steel industry is suffering, copper and lumber are about to get hit, But rather than try and calm the waters he's pulling this crap and making things worse

How can you possibly defend this? Don't you care anything for Canadians? Gaza was still going to be there in a few months after we worked out a deal, we didn't have to do this right now.

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Hamas won the war the moment the IDF invaded. The Israel gave Hamas exactly what the terrorists were after. 

Israel should never have been placed in Palistine. Nobody asked the people who live there if they wanted Israel plopped down on top of them

I haven't lost yet. As long as they have the backing of the united states it doesn't really matter what the UN says.

I think that if anything this is going to harden the israeli resolve to see the area either wiped out completely or brought strictly under israeli control, 

[Queenmandy85]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Secondly, he did it just at the point we are trying to reach a trade agreement with the U.S.  Being the PM surrounded by advisors, he should have known that kind of announcement would provoke a very strong negative reaction from Trump and could blow up any possible trade agreement.  

Trump just uses that as an excuse. He is intent on bending Canada on the rack to crush us. Any deal with Trump is impossible because his word is worthless. 

We have gone through far worse. We will get through this and let us never forget.

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