Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 45 minutes ago, blackbird said: Abolish all these little provinces which are no bigger than a city. Waste of taxpayer money. Amalgamate into one province for the maritimes and one province for western Canada. Think of all the money this would save. Ferries in the maritimes should not be paid for by federal taxpayers while BC taxpayers pay for the ferry service in BC themselves. That means BC taxpayers are paying for service on BC Ferries and are contributing toward the ferry service in the maritimes. How is that fair. Canada is a mess. Any federal funding that was received to build the bridge "1 bil cdn", is being repaid by the sale of tickets or tolls....and that will continue until the feds say it is done sometime in 2032 was an estimate....So no loss of any tax dollars, the price of upkeep is incorporated into the toll price...not sure where you got this project was being subsidized by BC..show us a source please... Again i will ask how many projects in BC has federal tax payers money been used...and when it was did you ever hear one maritimer speak up and say this is bullsh!t,....when do we get our share of the money....you and your Pemier are sounding like a bunch of whiny kids....afraid of not getting your share....when your getting a lot more than the maritimes combined... BC is not contribute SFA towards a ferry service in the maritimes it is a pay as you go, so unless you use that service your meaning BC tax payers are not paying anything...all that ticket price goes back into federal coffers, to repay loans from the federal government.... Canada is a mess but not because of this issue.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Any federal funding that was received to build the bridge "1 bil cdn", is being repaid by the sale of tickets or tolls I never said anything about a bridge. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 52 minutes ago, blackbird said: 4,343 civil servants As of March 31, 2022, the Prince Edward Island (PEI) government has approximately 4,343 civil servants working in its public service establishment. www.canada.ca unquote This is a huge waste of money. Millions of dollars for PEI to have its own civil service and well paid politicians. PEI is just a small population of 135k people and yet they have 4,343 civil servants. That is crazy. There are many cities with populations far more than 135K and have nowhere near thousands of employees. It is a huge waste of money. Do you know how big PEI is....5660 sq kms...population of 180 K ... and it is spread out over a vast area, mostly in rural areas. you should stick to what you know, this topic is not one of them, BC has many rural areas, and i'm sure each on of them have civil service...we'll let you know when it becomes an issue that we who live here can't solve...until then you stay in your backyard and we'll stay in ours...is there any other issues you think you out in BC can solve... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Island Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: I never said anything about a bridge. My bad your premier and others on here incorporate it all into one big package ....The price to purchase the ferries, and operate them in all incorporated into the ticket price....all the moneys received go back into federal coffers, and will until the feds say so...not sure how BC tax payers money is involved like i said provide a source that states BC is funding our ferry service....I've shown you plenty of sources where Federal tax dollars have funded BC projects...and not one maritimer has said hey WTF why is BC getting more than we are...and do it on national tv....yep that is a head slapping moment.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: TMX was built to get resources to tide water, which generates tax dollars for ALL canadians to enjoy...Citizens of BC work at these sites and docks are paid good wages, more than what it is going to cost the federal government in lost revenue of reduced infrastructure tolls currently set about by Carney..., There is more to the federal investment of many of the projects in bc , that are not just tax breaks, (which like the reduction in our ferries and bridge are lost revenue to the country)....but rather grants or loans or long term investments, provided to companies or province....which are tax dollars... My point here is this bridge and ferry are kept running through fees....no bc tax dollars or any tax dollars are used in the running of these services, they are pay to use...Until the feds decide that debt is paid...they own it...they set the cost of a ticket....Carney can not set the price of a BC company....your complaint about BC tax dollars being used to subsidize maritime infrastructure is a moot point.... as the price of the tickets include the price to repay federal investment in these projects...All the ticket price goes back into federal coffers... https://whattovisitwheretotravel.com/how-much-does-the-confederation-bridge-cost/ Alberta resources to tidewater. These are capital projects. How much have the feds spent on them in the Maritimes, Ontario and Quebec. Billions for battery and auto plants. How much are the destroyer and patrol ship contracts worth to the Maritimes. This is about one coast that thinks it is entitled to have all of Canada pay for its ferry system and enjoy fares half as much as the other coast that has to provide its own. Eby isn't asking for you to give up anything, he is just asking for fair treatment. Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides 1 Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 SFU School of Public Policy https://docs2.cer-rec.gc.ca/ll-eng/llisapi.dll/fetch/2000/90464/90552/548311/956726/2392873/2449925/2451209/2586850/C352-6-2_-_TOL_IR_No._2_Attachment_%231_Economic_Costs_and_Benefits_-_A4G5V7.pdf?nodeid=2586628&vernum=-2 Quote KM/TMP estimates a range of employment impacts for operating TMX. The low end of the range (1500 jobs/year including spin-offs) assumes that TMX only transports the volume of crude specified in the firm contracts in place for shippers to use TMX.34 In this scenario, TMX is estimated to generate annual revenues of $644 million.35 The high end of the range (2000 jobs/year including spin-offs) assumes that TMX is also used for non-firm/spot transactions in addition to the firm contracts, such that TMX capacity is fully utilized.36 In this scenario, TMX is estimated to generate annual revenues of $835 million.37 The KM/TMP employment analysis characterizes these two scenarios as minimum and maximum effects, with reality likely to fall somewhere in between.38 In the context of the BC economy, the long-term employment benefits of TMX are minimal. Total employment in BC now exceeds 2.3 million. Even with all the spin-offs TMX operations would result in about 800-1100 jobs in Metro Vancouver, which is less than 0.1% of the regional total Quote
TreeBeard Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 23 minutes ago, Aristides said: Eby isn't asking for you to give up anything, he is just asking for fair treatment. No, he’s not. He is trying to distract by pointing to the feds for something the feds have no jurisdiction over. Shouldn’t Hullo ferries receive “equal” federal subsidies then? Where’s your premier’s faux outrage over that company being treated “unfairly”? Quote
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: .I've shown you plenty of sources where Federal tax dollars have funded BC projects.. That's not what we're talking about. It is impossible to know here how much Federal tax dollars are spent on various projects and services in different places. But it is clear the ferry systems are something that we can examine. We're talking specifically about the two ferry systems, one in the maritimes and the other in B.C. Aristides said it well. " This is about one coast that thinks it is entitled to have all of Canada pay for its ferry system and enjoy fares half as much as the other coast that has to provide its own. Eby isn't asking for you to give up anything, he is just asking for fair treatment from the federal government. The federal government has a responsibility to treat all provinces and regions of Canada equally. Edited August 1, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: No, he’s not. He is trying to distract by pointing to the feds for something the feds have no jurisdiction over. Shouldn’t Hullo ferries receive “equal” federal subsidies then? Where’s your premier’s faux outrage over that company being treated “unfairly”? FFS, how much money do the feds put into things they have no jurisdiction over? They put money wherever they feel like it. They do it wherever they think it will buy them votes, or not lose them votes. One coast gets its ferries paid for by all Canadian tax payers, the other has to pay for its own. Maybe we should have to pay for our own goddamn navy as well. BTW. Shipping is a federal jurisdiction, just like aviation. Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides Quote
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Alberta resources to tidewater. These are capital projects. How much have the feds spent on them in the Maritimes, Ontario and Quebec. Billions for battery and auto plants. How much are the destroyer and patrol ship contracts worth to the Maritimes. This is about one coast that thinks it is entitled to have all of Canada pay for its ferry system and enjoy fares half as much as the other coast that has to provide its own. Eby isn't asking for you to give up anything, he is just asking for fair treatment. Yes Alberta's resources which brings revenue to ALL of the nation....which every BC er benefits.... Yes lets throw in ontario and quebec when we are talking about the maritimes...Are you saying BC ship builders are not getting any contracts....come on now your reaching for what 20 bucks on the bridge toll, and one hundard on a ferry crossing... Yes, becasue the maritimes is the center of the world we have everything we could ever want "were entitled" once again your reaching i don't see any export LNG terminals being built here in NB , i don't hear any martiomers pointing at the entitled BC'er and saying where is out terminals...Maybe you should write to carney , he is the guy you voted for and have it changed.... Like i said the maritimes got a loan for the bridge and is repaying whatever tax dollars was used....how much is bc tax payers being charged for all those LNG projects ? as for the ferries, the price of the tickets will pay off the ferries which are federal run as it should be.... ..... as well,just like your ticket price will pay off any finances used in its procurement got nothing to do with entitlement...this is about one coast thinking that every tax dollar spent in the maritimes should be matched in BC....it does not work like that or the maritimes would be swimming in projects....you guys are being petty EBY is not asking for anything he is whining about something so small it is actually funny....total cost of this campaign promise is less than 100 million.....all the funding poured in bc projects is worth more than that...and your still whining actually almost crying that the maritimes got something and we did not....At the end of the day, this is the guy you voted in....you need to talk to that guy....The maritimes asked and he delivered....did BC ask ? so why is this an issue.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes Alberta's resources which brings revenue to ALL of the nation....which every BC er benefits.... Yes lets throw in ontario and quebec when we are talking about the maritimes...Are you saying BC ship builders are not getting any contracts....come on now your reaching for what 20 bucks on the bridge toll, and one hundard on a ferry crossing... Yes, becasue the maritimes is the center of the world we have everything we could ever want "were entitled" once again your reaching i don't see any export LNG terminals being built here in NB , i don't hear any martiomers pointing at the entitled BC'er and saying where is out terminals...Maybe you should write to carney , he is the guy you voted for and have it changed.... Like i said the maritimes got a loan for the bridge and is repaying whatever tax dollars was used....how much is bc tax payers being charged for all those LNG projects ? as for the ferries, the price of the tickets will pay off the ferries which are federal run as it should be.... ..... as well,just like your ticket price will pay off any finances used in its procurement got nothing to do with entitlement...this is about one coast thinking that every tax dollar spent in the maritimes should be matched in BC....it does not work like that or the maritimes would be swimming in projects....you guys are being petty EBY is not asking for anything he is whining about something so small it is actually funny....total cost of this campaign promise is less than 100 million.....all the funding poured in bc projects is worth more than that...and your still whining actually almost crying that the maritimes got something and we did not....At the end of the day, this is the guy you voted in....you need to talk to that guy....The maritimes asked and he delivered....did BC ask ? so why is this an issue.... Something so small? Tell that to the people who have to commute regularly between the Island and mainland. Tell them that they are paying 9 cents less for a two hour ferry ride than a Maritimer is for a 7 hour ride and their tax dollars are helping pay for it. If you want a LNG terminal in New Brunswick, get a pipeline built. Do you want us to do everything for you? And don't tell me the feds wouldn't pump at least as much money into one if you do. BTW. If you take the bridge to PEI and leave by the ferry, you don't pay for the ferry. Who pays for that? Edited August 1, 2025 by Aristides Quote
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 3 hours ago, blackbird said: That's not what we're talking about. It is impossible to know here how much Federal tax dollars are spent on various projects and services in different places. But it is clear the ferry systems are something that we can examine. We're talking specifically about the two ferry systems, one in the maritimes and the other in B.C. Aristides said it well. " This is about one coast that thinks it is entitled to have all of Canada pay for its ferry system and enjoy fares half as much as the other coast that has to provide its own. Eby isn't asking for you to "give up anything, he is just asking for fair treatment." Maybe it is impossible for you, goggle works for me, maybe our goggle is federal funded and that much better...It states like in the sources i provided how much federal funds where supplied to each project...and what type of funds where provided.... No, we are talking about BC not getting any funding for ferry services and the maritime getting theirs payed for by federal funds...which were loaned by the way, and are required to be paid back.... this reduction of services is available to ALL Canadians that use them....even turkeys like you in BC....it was done becasue Carney promised it....had he not done this everything in your world would be gravy right....How many BC projects are BC going to repay in the long run.... Yes we are entitled that is why the roads are paved in gold, and everyone here earns atleast what you guys in BC earn....federal government does one project in the maritimes and you guys actually lay down kicking and screaming...yelling where is our's like the nation was suppose to read your minds....i wonder if that was on EBY's project list to have the feds pay for our national energy corridor.......my guess is no , i bet no one even thought about it until the media reported it was happening in the maritimes...now like a bunch of children your all crying ,snot running down your faces. it's not a good look....and the rest of Canada is asking who is the entitled ones.... BC gets its fair share of federal funding , a lot more than the maritimes...and when you guys stop crying and wipe your noses and do some research you'll see that... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Something so small? Tell that to the people who have to commute regularly between the Island and mainland. Tell them that they are paying 9 cents less for a two hour ferry ride than a Maritimer is for a 7 hour ride and their tax dollars are helping pay for it. If you want a LNG terminal in New Brunswick, get a pipeline built. Do you want us to do everything for you? And don't tell me the feds wouldn't pump at least as much money into one if you do. YOU need to whine to EBY, the feds and the maritimes have no control over your provincial ferry service...no amount of whining or crying is going to change that....prices for tickets here in the maritimes are controlled buy the feds....all maritimers do is pay until that loan is paid out... I could say the same, want lower prices on your ferries tell carney to buy you some....instead of pointing the fingers at the maritimes, that had planed and prepared a business plan to which the feds approved.... And yet here we are hoping and praying for a pipeline for decades now....remember Justine told the nation there is no business case for LNG exports....and not a single dollar is spent on one...and here we sit listening to you guys cry about a small reduction in fees....while you have what 3 or 4 LNG terminals that have had federal dollars spent on........ 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: YOU need to whine to EBY, the feds and the maritimes have no control over your provincial ferry service...no amount of whining or crying is going to change that....prices for tickets here in the maritimes are controlled buy the feds....all maritimers do is pay until that loan is paid out... I could say the same, want lower prices on your ferries tell carney to buy you some....instead of pointing the fingers at the maritimes, that had planed and prepared a business plan to which the feds approved.... And yet here we are hoping and praying for a pipeline for decades now....remember Justine told the nation there is no business case for LNG exports....and not a single dollar is spent on one...and here we sit listening to you guys cry about a small reduction in fees....while you have what 3 or 4 LNG terminals that have had federal dollars spent on........ How convenient. The feds absolutely have jurisdiction over maritime affairs. They can also set conditions to financing. I'm not pointing fingers at the Maritimes, just pointing out your sense of entitlement that you are due something other Canadians are not for the same service and that they should pay to provide it for you. As a British Columbian I would love to see you guys get pipelines and terminals but it is not our fault if you can't or our responsibility to get you one. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 25 minutes ago, Aristides said: BTW. If you take the bridge to PEI and leave by the ferry, you don't pay for the ferry. Who pays for that? if you take the bridge you will need to drive from NB to pei,prices have already been mentioned... the ferry is from NS to PEI and costs about 91 dollars plus a fee for each passenger....however you can travel for free on standby, but are the last to be boarded and there is no guarantee of getting on... so to answer your question if you take the bridge over and then the ferry you are will travel for "free" for all Canadians traveling.......providing there is space for you and your vehicle...which most crossings are full....but in the off seasons maybe...But there is always a but, in most cases it is faster to just cross the bridge depending on where in NS you are...and it is a lot cheaper... https://www.ferries.ca/ns-pei-ferry/fares Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 19 minutes ago, Aristides said: How convenient. The feds absolutely have jurisdiction over maritime affairs. They can also set conditions to financing. I'm not pointing fingers at the Maritimes, just pointing out your sense of entitlement that you are due something other Canadians are not for the same service and that they should pay to provide it for you. As a British Columbian I would love to see you guys get pipelines and terminals but it is not our fault if you can't or our responsibility to get you one. Having federal jurisdiction over anything is not the best answer, remember this organization is not run to make money, so your service is not going to the same as some company running it for profit.... It does certainly sound like your blaming the maritimers for this incident....my entitlement....really over 20 bucks you gotta be kidding me....i travel to PEI once a year, and might go to NLFD every 5 years....this Carney reduction really does not effects me....cost me more than 20 bucks just in snacks....20 bucks is not going to make me richer in any way...and would much rather have that 20 bucks going into my gas tank...Your making it sound like the maritimers begged for this, and are now flaunting it...in front of BC....not true....this is some lipstick over the pig to get votes...I'm sure if the roles were reversed, maritimer would not give a Sh!t to be honest , you make it sound like we are dancing in the streets, we are not.... when you realize this is a federal gift that amounts to nothing and maritimes would much rather have something else....we did not choose to have our ferries run by the feds, nor our bridge....it is the way it worked out ....and from this side of the fence it sounds like you guys are the entitled ones... No One is paying for anything, the maritimers and those that travel between the provinces are paying the whole shot, and the tickets or tolls are the vehicle in which we pay back every cent to those that invested in the bridge and ferries. and until that loan is paid off the feds will run it the way they want....i was pointing out BC gets far more tax dollars invested in your province than the entire maritimes does....not sure why you chose this project as one to pick on.... I did not imply it was BC fault just pointing out the amount of fed money invested in your province, is much higher than ours and in the maritimes nobody is complaining about that....we understand who is contributing and how the system works....but what gets my goat is the renaming the provinces and the whole complaining about when the maritimes get a small break and BC is asking for their share....when they know they already get more than the maritimes...that to me is entitlement... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted August 1, 2025 Author Report Posted August 1, 2025 (edited) 18 hours ago, Army Guy said: Do you know how big PEI is....5660 sq kms...population of 180 K ... and it is spread out over a vast area, mostly in rural areas. you should stick to what you know, this topic is not one of them, BC has many rural areas, and i'm sure each on of them have civil service...we'll let you know when it becomes an issue that we who live here can't solve...until then you stay in your backyard and we'll stay in ours...is there any other issues you think you out in BC can solve... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Island PEI is a very small geographic area. It is very wasteful of taxpayer's money to have a provincial government for such a small area. Over four thousand civil servants must be paid with all the benefits and pensions to provide a provincial government for such a small area makes no sense at all. In addition to that you are paying for a set of provincial politicians with their high salaries, pensions and benefits provincial government buildings, etc. It was set up that way at the time of Confederation. That's just how it evolved but it is way out of date now and very wasteful. That means less money and a lower standard of living for taxpayers there. Why would anyone want that? If the provincial government was combined with N.B. and N.S. it would make far more sense. It would save a fortune in all three provinces. Maybe even include Nfld and Labrador and save money for them too. Instead of three or four provincial governments with all the infrastructures, instead of having provincial governments for places with populations of small cities, combine areas and be efficient. The people would still receive the same services. Look at the larger provinces. They have one provincial government and still provide all the services that people require. If people don't want to make it democratic for everyone in the country as a whole, then maybe divide it up and have separate little countries and start all over with something that everyone democratically agrees with or remain on your own and waste your money on bureaucracy and politicians. Canadians are getting fed up with the wasteful governments and wasteful system in Canada. It is just another major factor why the cost of living is so high and millions can't afford a home and now we have more tent cities. We are tired of this clown show. Edited August 1, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Barquentine Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 On 7/30/2025 at 11:57 PM, Army Guy said: Acadia is the northern part of NB it is where "your not going to believe this " but acadians live there French speaking You haven't heard of Clare, NS? Lots of French speaking Acadians or "Acajons" as they would say. Also Cheticamp area Cape Breton, and others... Also Acadians in PEI. Quote
Barquentine Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 On 7/31/2025 at 10:06 AM, paxamericana said: Medicine that orange man has graciously offered. it's called KOOLAID! 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2025 Report Posted August 1, 2025 5 hours ago, Barquentine said: You haven't heard of Clare, NS? Lots of French speaking Acadians or "Acajons" as they would say. Also Cheticamp area Cape Breton, and others... Also Acadians in PEI. No i have not heard of them, louisiana USA, is also a place with a huge acadian population Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted August 2, 2025 Report Posted August 2, 2025 On 7/31/2025 at 12:30 PM, blackbird said: Abolish all these little provinces which are no bigger than a city. After that start working on getting all your silly countries off my planet. Thanks. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Aristides Posted August 2, 2025 Report Posted August 2, 2025 At one time BC and Vancouver Island were separate colonies. They merged to become one. 1 Quote
herbie Posted August 3, 2025 Report Posted August 3, 2025 On 8/1/2025 at 9:13 PM, Aristides said: At one time BC and Vancouver Island were separate colonies. They merged to become one. Just as four eastern ones merged to become Canada. And BC was the next to join. Many historians concluded that the Island/Mainland merger was headed mainly by James Douglas to ensure the British population remained large enough to counter American influences west of the Rockies. Many miners were infringing on the territory and US railways were extending branch lines into BC to move ore and lumber south. The guarantee of the CPR to BC pretty much defined the Canada we have today. Quote
Aristides Posted August 3, 2025 Report Posted August 3, 2025 1 hour ago, herbie said: Just as four eastern ones merged to become Canada. And BC was the next to join. Many historians concluded that the Island/Mainland merger was headed mainly by James Douglas to ensure the British population remained large enough to counter American influences west of the Rockies. Many miners were infringing on the territory and US railways were extending branch lines into BC to move ore and lumber south. The guarantee of the CPR to BC pretty much defined the Canada we have today. And PEI joined two years later on the promise of Canada paying off its debt and providing ferry services. Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted August 3, 2025 Report Posted August 3, 2025 Did the Canada/US border extend down the west coast as far as the mouth of the Columbia? Quote
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