LinkSoul60 Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 31 minutes ago, Aristides said: These are 2018 numbers but I doubt they have changed much. https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E Trying to digest this... and find out why the inequities. On my to do list 👍 Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: I totally agree for NS, PEI, and NB, but I suggest they call the new province Acadia, given the area's history. And if they couldn't agree on a capital, have a floating legislature - 4 or 8 years in each of the present capitals. Easily doable these days. Amalgamation would save a lot of money and give the area a little more clout. But NFLD is a distinct society and might want to stay that way. Unfortunately, politicians don't like giving up power, even if it's for the greater good. As a guy that lives here in NB ,i say you should call it "blow me Canada"...you do know these provinces were the first in the nation, this nation was born here in Atlantic Canada.......you also know that there is only so many seats for MP's in the atlantic area....which means seats on any committee is limited according to population already........ And "Quebec" gets more transfer money than anyone else combined, anyone up for renaming Quebec....check out what each atlantic province gets and it is not very much.......Now if we could keep those mutts from Ontario out of the maritimes from buying up all the cheap housing driving up prices to more than doubled over the last 5 years, becasue they work from home now.......then they whine about there is nothing to do here ...."where is all the night life they ask" F*ck ya, this is the maritimes, not downtown toronto....we make our own entertainment with beer and firearms...... Good thing we are all united....on one team Canada, what is it that august says oh ya we all get along....well we did until you decided to rename the provinces, we don't ask for much........nope the ROC got nothing better to do than start renaming provinces after a few beers.... Acadia is the northern part of NB it is where "your not going to believe this " but acadians live there French speaking NB'ers, and the rest of Atlantic canada does not like the name not to fussy about acadians either they are all liberals, can't speak english or french............maybe we should rename the other provinces... i got some douseys for Ontario....So crawl back in your holes....there are much bigger problems in the country than renaming provinces... PS tell doug ford, to send a sh!t ton of buses to pick up all their people that moved here...send the bill to black bird....and the liberal party... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
paxamericana Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Know it well.... Quebec is Quebec. I see this patchwork of hatred going well for all of you here. Let me slide this 51st card on your table. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 1 hour ago, Aristides said: I'm not saying they shouldn't but maybe there is a better way of doing it. Things like this get rubbed in when Ottawa cuts Atlantic ferry fares in half while donating 300 times as much to east coast ferry systems as west coast ferry systems under the convenient claim that one is federal and the other is provincial. Don't expect these things to just smoke through with no comment or feeling of double standards.. Atlantic ferries are FEDERAL....BC ferries are provincial.phone eby.......the bridge toll is 40 bucks it is now 20 bucks....the NFLD ferry is 12 hours long and you save a few hundred bucks on a return trip...just a question how many federal dollars did you get for your natural gas pipelines,or natural gas liquification plant or federal funds for forest fires...and i bet you never heard anything from the atlantic provinces about look what bc got and we missed out on......All of this was Carneys campaign promises, you should write him about your problem tell him how unfair it is... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 2 minutes ago, paxamericana said: I see this patchwork of hatred going well for all of you here. Let me slide this 51st card on your table. Put that 51st baloney where it deserves to be, in a deep hole in the ground. Canada existed well before Confederation in 1867. It was just a different name, British North America. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: how many federal dollars did you get for your natural gas pipelines,or natural gas liquification plant or federal funds for forest fires... Those are not given to individuals. Pipelines and natural gas export benefits all Canadians through royalties and taxes the federal government receives. BC residents don't receive any personal benefit from the pipelines or shipping natural gas. A small number of people might have a job in the industry but that's not the same as giving everyone that uses the ferries in the maritimes a reduced ferry rate. The reduced ferry fares in the maritimes is a direct grant to individual users. BC has ferries too but didn't receive that. Quote
paxamericana Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 18 minutes ago, blackbird said: British North America. You’re a break away province of the old empire. You had a good run but it’s time to move back in. You’re getting too old to live independently. What will collapse first, your pride or your bank account? If we leave tariff where they are tomorrow , your federal government will all go broke in a few months. Edited July 31, 2025 by paxamericana Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: Those are not given to individuals. Pipelines and natural gas export benefits all Canadians through royalties and taxes the federal government receives. BC residents don't receive any personal benefit from the pipelines or shipping natural gas. A small number of people might have a job in the industry but that's not the same as giving everyone that uses the ferries in the maritimes a reduced ferry rate. The reduced ferry fares in the maritimes is a direct grant to individual users. BC has ferries too but didn't receive that. BS...revenues from pipeline enrich Canada as a whole, money is collected through taxes and provided back to you and your province.........it provides good paying jobs to bc residents and elsewhere in Canada... Maybe , you should be bring this up to EBY....he has control over bc ferries....ask him for a rebate....i can't believe you whining about a 20 dollar hand out to people that use the bridge or ferry...The feds can't give a rebate on BC ferries because it is provincial...send me you address and i'll send you the 20 bucks next time i go to PEI...and just so you know....anyone that uses those ferries or bridge gets the hand out they don't care if your from NWT or BC just another reason to come to the maritimes...as long as you don't stay we already have a problem with to many people from ontario... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Atlantic ferries are FEDERAL....BC ferries are provincial.phone eby.......the bridge toll is 40 bucks it is now 20 bucks....the NFLD ferry is 12 hours long and you save a few hundred bucks on a return trip...just a question how many federal dollars did you get for your natural gas pipelines,or natural gas liquification plant or federal funds for forest fires...and i bet you never heard anything from the atlantic provinces about look what bc got and we missed out on......All of this was Carneys campaign promises, you should write him about your problem tell him how unfair it is... The ferry from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert is 16 hrs and the fare is $460 for a car plus $200 per passenger, one way. The ferry from Prince Rupert to Skidegate on Haida Gwai is 7 hrs. What's your point? How many federal dollars did we get for the gas pipeline and plant? Enlighten me. The companies got a loan from the EDC, not a grant and I know the province gave a shit load of tax incentives to get them built, plus $200 million for electrification. Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides Quote
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) 53 minutes ago, paxamericana said: You’re a break away province of the old empire. You had a good run but it’s time to move back in. You’re getting too old to live independently. What will collapse first, your pride or your bank account? If we leave tariff where they are tomorrow , your federal government will all go broke in a few months. No, we're not a break-away province. B.C. was a British colony until it joined Confederation around 1881. Canadians are happy with being a Constitutional Monarchy and an independent country. You are wasting your time just trying to annoy people on here. Edited July 31, 2025 by blackbird 1 Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) I'm not into forcing anything or not supporting other provinces but I reject the idea that we can't at least look at or discuss the possibility that there might be better ways of doing things. That goes for the whole country, not just the Maritimes. I'm well aware of the Maritimes importance in the formation of this country and the fact that things like ship building and fishing made them some of the wealthiest provinces at the time, but times change. Interestingly, BC joined Confederation two years before PEI. Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 5 hours ago, blackbird said: It shows federal government expenditures were far more, nearly double in fact, to maritime provinces compared with the rest of Canada. Why should wealthier provinces get the same funding? Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 4 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Why should wealthier provinces get the same funding? Why should the people of the wealthier provinces be subsidizing the poorer ones so their people can pay half as much for the same service. At least they should be equal. Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 (edited) Right now it costs 9 cents more for a person to take their car on the 7 hr ride from Sidney to Port aux Basques than it does to take the 1 hr 35 minute ride from the BC mainland to Victoria. The 7 hr ride from Prince Rupert to Haida Gwaii costs over 2.5 times as much. BC taxpayers are helping subsidize that. Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides Quote
paxamericana Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 8 hours ago, blackbird said: You are wasting your time just trying to annoy people on here. I know what's good for Canada, you're all too old and stubborn to take your medicine. Medicine that orange man has graciously offered. Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 12 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Shouldn't poorer provinces receive more federal funding? Like Quebec . . . they cry poverty yet leave their natural resources (money generators) undeveloped while they have their hand out for other provinces $$. Quebec is a parasite and they know Canada is too weak to take the medicine to sh!t them out. Quote
TreeBeard Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 2 hours ago, Aristides said: BC taxpayers are helping subsidize that. Talk to Eby about lowering fares. It’s his jurisdiction. Unlike the ferries on the east coast which are federal as they are inter-provincial. Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 PEI is a great little spot, Charlotteown is a beautiful little city but does a place with the same population as Abbotsford BC need the expense and complexity of a complete provincial apparatus? 1 Quote
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Talk to Eby about lowering fares. It’s his jurisdiction. Unlike the ferries on the east coast which are federal as they are inter-provincial. I'm in favour of trying to provide equal services throughout the country but not subsidizing Maritimers so they can pay half as much as I have to pay for the same service. Where does the money come from to lower fares, certainly not the federal government that bankrolls Marine Atlantic for the Maritimes. From BC taxpayers of course, the same people who are helping subsidize Maritimer's fares. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 14 hours ago, Aristides said: The ferry from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert is 16 hrs and the fare is $460 for a car plus $200 per passenger, one way. The ferry from Prince Rupert to Skidegate on Haida Gwai is 7 hrs. What's your point? How many federal dollars did we get for the gas pipeline and plant? Enlighten me. The companies got a loan from the EDC, not a grant and I know the province gave a shit load of tax incentives to get them built, plus $200 million for electrification. My point is this, one is federal, the other is control by BC government, Can carney order a rebate on a provincial ferry service...NO he can't, he is keeping a campaign promise....EBY can order a reduction of , you barking up the wrong tree....I could see you complaint if it was worth 100's of millions or even billions....but it is not they are reducing the federal fairs,no funding out of anyone's budget....your whining about crumbs in respective to the Feds yearly spending...when BC itself has received bils in federal spending...sounds like your being petty.... Those reductions apply to any Canadian that uses these services regardless of what part of the country you come from...including BC....come visit the maritimes and you to can get the rebate.... For a guy that lives there you don't seem to know much about these projects....with atleast 3 major LNG projects,being operated in BC and bils of federal tax dollars being used....have you heard one maritimer complain...no we are happy your province is getting some investment....and yet a simple reduction in bridge and ferry tickets and you guys are freaking out....thanks for the support well coastal gas link ring a bell... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iisd-pipelines-subsidies-fossil-fuels-1.6090871 then the trans mountain pipeline which provides BC jobs...and off sets https://globalnews.ca/news/9839473/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-overrun/ Kitmat plant. LNG Canada’s Phase 1 terminal, a massive investment initially pegged at roughly C$17–18 billion, has been underwritten by significant public sector backing at federal, provincial, municipal, and international levels. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/06/21/billions-in-subsidies-flow-to-lng-canada-as-kitimat-terminal-nears-launch/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/275m-federal-government-lng-canada-kitimat-1.4649654 https://vancouversun.com/business/tax-break-a-cash-windfall-for-potential-lng-developers-in-bc-ubc-professor Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 15 hours ago, blackbird said: No, we're not a break-away province. B.C. was a British colony until it joined Confederation around 1881. Canadians are happy with being a Constitutional Monarchy and an independent country. You are wasting your time just trying to annoy people on here. you should be a breakaway province.... Instead your wasting our time with suggesting the maritimes be renamed, or "Canadians" regardless of province of origin using some FEDERAL infrastructure here in NB and NS , NFLD get a rebate...it is like you never got any federal assistance for your province ......send your whinney complaints to Carney.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: My point is this, one is federal, the other is control by BC government, Can carney order a rebate on a provincial ferry service...NO he can't, he is keeping a campaign promise....EBY can order a reduction of , you barking up the wrong tree....I could see you complaint if it was worth 100's of millions or even billions....but it is not they are reducing the federal fairs,no funding out of anyone's budget....your whining about crumbs in respective to the Feds yearly spending...when BC itself has received bils in federal spending...sounds like your being petty.... Those reductions apply to any Canadian that uses these services regardless of what part of the country you come from...including BC....come visit the maritimes and you to can get the rebate.... For a guy that lives there you don't seem to know much about these projects....with atleast 3 major LNG projects,being operated in BC and bils of federal tax dollars being used....have you heard one maritimer complain...no we are happy your province is getting some investment....and yet a simple reduction in bridge and ferry tickets and you guys are freaking out....thanks for the support well coastal gas link ring a bell... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iisd-pipelines-subsidies-fossil-fuels-1.6090871 then the trans mountain pipeline which provides BC jobs...and off sets https://globalnews.ca/news/9839473/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-overrun/ Kitmat plant. LNG Canada’s Phase 1 terminal, a massive investment initially pegged at roughly C$17–18 billion, has been underwritten by significant public sector backing at federal, provincial, municipal, and international levels. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/06/21/billions-in-subsidies-flow-to-lng-canada-as-kitimat-terminal-nears-launch/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/275m-federal-government-lng-canada-kitimat-1.4649654 https://vancouversun.com/business/tax-break-a-cash-windfall-for-potential-lng-developers-in-bc-ubc-professor The TMX was built for Alberta and owned by the Federal Government. It provides few jobs for BC and even a lot of the construction jobs were filled by Albertans because they have the expertise when it comes to building pipelines. Tax breaks are not grants because where would be no taxes if the projects aren't built. There will be lots of tax revenues from income taxes, GST etc paid by employees, suppliers and support businesses. Quote
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Instead your wasting our time with suggesting the maritimes be renamed, Abolish all these little provinces which are no bigger than a city. Waste of taxpayer money. Amalgamate into one province for the maritimes and one province for western Canada. Think of all the money this would save. Ferries in the maritimes should not be paid for by federal taxpayers while BC taxpayers pay for the ferry service in BC themselves. That means BC taxpayers are paying for service on BC Ferries and are contributing toward the ferry service in the maritimes. How is that fair. Canada is a mess. Quote
blackbird Posted July 31, 2025 Author Report Posted July 31, 2025 13 minutes ago, Army Guy said: you should be a breakaway province.... Instead your wasting our time with suggesting the maritimes be renamed, or "Canadians" regardless of province of origin using some FEDERAL infrastructure here in NB and NS , NFLD get a rebate...it is like you never got any federal assistance for your province ......send your whinney complaints to Carney.... 4,343 civil servants As of March 31, 2022, the Prince Edward Island (PEI) government has approximately 4,343 civil servants working in its public service establishment. www.canada.ca unquote This is a huge waste of money. Millions of dollars for PEI to have its own civil service and well paid politicians. PEI is just a small population of 135k people and yet they have 4,343 civil servants. That is crazy. There are many cities with populations far more than 135K and have nowhere near thousands of employees. It is a huge waste of money. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 31, 2025 Report Posted July 31, 2025 14 minutes ago, Aristides said: The TMX was built for Alberta and owned by the Federal Government. It provides few jobs for BC and even a lot of the construction jobs were filled by Albertans because they have the expertise when it comes to building pipelines. Tax breaks are not grants because where would be no taxes if the projects aren't built. There will be lots of tax revenues from income taxes, GST etc paid by employees, suppliers and support businesses. TMX was built to get resources to tide water, which generates tax dollars for ALL canadians to enjoy...Citizens of BC work at these sites and docks are paid good wages, more than what it is going to cost the federal government in lost revenue of reduced infrastructure tolls currently set about by Carney..., There is more to the federal investment of many of the projects in bc , that are not just tax breaks, (which like the reduction in our ferries and bridge are lost revenue to the country)....but rather grants or loans or long term investments, provided to companies or province....which are tax dollars... My point here is this bridge and ferry are kept running through fees....no bc tax dollars or any tax dollars are used in the running of these services, they are pay to use...Until the feds decide that debt is paid...they own it...they set the cost of a ticket....Carney can not set the price of a BC company....your complaint about BC tax dollars being used to subsidize maritime infrastructure is a moot point.... as the price of the tickets include the price to repay federal investment in these projects...All the ticket price goes back into federal coffers... https://whattovisitwheretotravel.com/how-much-does-the-confederation-bridge-cost/ Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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