Trump can't make deals, says "the letters are the deals"

[Legato]

13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO ridiculous. Carney has world-class credibility who is known, liked and respected by heads of state around the world and he has the resume to prove it in both the public and private sector.
 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

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LMAO ridiculous. Carney has world-class credibility who is known, liked and respected by heads of state around the world and he has the resume to prove it in both the public and private sector.

Trump wanted carney in, he said he wanted carney in, and he bragged about getting carney in after he got carney in.

So now you're just lying.

And we discussed his resume during the election, I was the one that said his resume shows he is not able to do the job. What he has done has nothing to do with politics. You were the one that said he will be incredible. And he's failing according to his own parties people

Just now, BeaverFever said:

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Meanwhile Poilievre is a Trump admiring, Trump imitating,

Blah blah blah  lie lie lie.

What he is is a world-renowned politician with years and years of experience of dealing with exactly the situations we're seeing right now.

Remember when we said hiring a banker to do a politician's job was stupid, you are better off to hire politician? That's turning out to be as true as it's stupid to hire a drama school teacher to be pm

Just now, BeaverFever said:

It’s obvious to anyone that Trump’wanted conservatives and he’s hyped conservatives in the past.

Again, he said outright he wanted carney, and he bragged about helping carney win after the election

You have to be 27 different flavors of stupid to suggest that somehow Poilievre was his guy

And on top of it carney has done more to copy trump than anyone. He signs orders of council and holds them up for the camera the same way trump does his executive orders, except that's not how orders and council work. It's just trying to look like trump. There's other examples too. 

Meanwhile you have to twist what Poilievre says entirely out of shape to try and make it sound like trump

 

You're selling out Canada for your echo chamber and tribalism. Normally you're just kind of stupid but in this case you're actually being a bad person. What you are doing is going to hurt generations to come just as it hurt generations to come when you kept saying yes to Justin and now kids can't afford to own a home or buy enough food

It's disgusting what you're doing in the name of your ideology.

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's disgusting what you're doing in the name of your ideology.

From the posts I've read on this forum, you've taken ideology to another level with your fascination of Carney and sadness of losing another election to the liberals.  Maybe next time?

[CdnFox]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

From the posts I've read on this forum, you've taken ideology to another level with your fascination of Carney and sadness of losing another election to the liberals.  

Says the guy that has a meltdown every time someone shoots down what it is arguments which is pretty much all the time  

Kiddo I get that you feel badly that I kick you around the forum pretty regularly. It makes sense that you would be a little angry about that, although I would point out it's not my fault that you don't know your facts.

But every single thing I've said about carney is true, and I was actually hoping that if he got one thing right it would be the trade deal. I kind of hope that seeing as he had an in with trump because he already does business with Kushner that maybe that would translate into a better deal for Canada

Even a child can see that the opposite is true and we're getting creamed, but you will still stick up for him because you give a crap more about your ideology. I was willing to set mine aside if we got a good deal, but you made it clear that no matter what even if we get a horrible deal you're still a liberal

People like you are just crap people. Happy to see others suffer as long as their ideology is maintained.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Trump wanted carney in, he said he wanted carney in, and he bragged about getting carney in after he got carney in.

So now you're just lying.

No you’re lying.  As a point of fact he never said he “wanted Carney in.“.  That’s an outright lie from you. 

First the public started mocking Trump after be cost Poilievre what had been a guaranteed win. The media reported it as an “own goal”. Then AFTER THE FACT when questioned by the media he basically said “Uh I did that purpose.” Because of course what else would he say?  He’s a compulsive liar who never admits his mistakes. Literally the ENTIRETY of your argument is 100% based on taking Trump at his word and dismissing all other facts and reality.  It’s ridiculous. 

 

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Kiddo I get that you feel badly that I kick you around the forum pretty regularly. It makes sense that you would be a little angry about that, although I would point out it's not my fault that you don't know your facts.

But every single thing I've said about carney is true, and I was actually hoping that if he got one thing right it would be the trade deal. I kind of hope that seeing as he had an in with trump because he already does business with Kushner that maybe that would translate into a better deal for Canada

Even a child can see that the opposite is true and we're getting creamed, but you will still stick up for him because you give a crap more about your ideology. I was willing to set mine aside if we got a good deal, but you made it clear that no matter what even if we get a horrible deal you're still a liberal

LOL you’re way too partisan and biased see anything clearly and fairly   You see what you want to see, and you incapable of an impartial assessment  You are not even able to articulate what a “good deal “ would be are you?  

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

People like you are just crap people. Happy to see others suffer as long as their ideology is maintained.

LMAO nope that’s the definition of MAGAs who are literally destroying the global economy for no other reason than to obey their orange master. And up here you’re using any opportunity to sow division because your guy didn’t win the election 

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, Legato said:

 

It’s true though even if you’re too partisan and hate-filled to admit it.  Heads of state, global finance and business leaders around the world know and respect him. That’s just a fact whether you like it or not. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

As Conservative columnist Andrew Coyne recently wrote:

 

“Once upon a time there was a village menaced by a giant ogre. The villagers met to decide how to respond. “We must give him what he wants,” said one of the villagers. “Then he will go away.” “No,” said another. “We must respond with purpose and force.” In the end the villagers tried a little of both approaches. Neither succeeded, because the ogre didn’t really know what he wanted and didn’t respond rationally. So they just had to muddle through. THE END

 

…As entertaining as it is to watch the famously smooth Mr. Carney flailing about, it is hard to see how any other prime minister would have done any better. Indeed, he is in good company. The whole world is dealing with similar threats.

It is, in fact, impossible to negotiate with Mr. Trump, because a) he does not have any consistent or coherent set of demands, and b) if he did, there is no reason to think he would live up to any undertaking he made in return. 
 

…It’s possible his attraction to tariffs has another basis: because they place him at the centre of the action. Everyone has to pay attention to him – to be “nice” to him, as he so often puts it. If so there is not much that anyone can really do with that. There is no “win-win,” as in most negotiations. There is only a problem to be managed, a matter of stalling for time and presenting as small a target as possible, until Mr. Trump grows too old or enfeebled to menace us further.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carney-donald-trump-tariff-negotiations/

Edited July 16, 2025 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Blah blah blah  lie lie lie.

What he is is a world-renowned politician with years and years of experience of dealing with exactly the situations we're seeing right now.

LMAO now who is lying?  PP is not a “world renowned politician” what a joke He’s an UNKNOWN domestic politician, a NOBODY. How on earth would he be world renowned when he has zero accomplishments to his name, only been opposition leader for a hot minute and was junior member of a government that was voted out a decade ago? Has he even been outside of Canada on any official business?  What a ridiculous statement, just shows your absolute delusion. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Again, he said outright he wanted carney

That’s a lie

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

he bragged about helping carney win after the election

Of course he did, he says that about a lot of people . But any thinking person can see that wasn’t his intention. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You have to be 27 different flavors of stupid to suggest that somehow Poilievre was his guy

LMAO you have to be 27 different flavours (nice American spelling by the way) of stupid NOT to see that. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And on top of it carney has done more to copy trump than anyone. He signs orders of council and holds them up for the camera the same way trump does his executive orders, except that's not how orders and council work. It's just trying to look like trump. There's other examples too. 

Meanwhile you have to twist what Poilievre says entirely out of shape to try and make it sound like trump

Omg please stop I am laughing so hard the opposite-of-reality commentary coming from you is just absolutely hilarious. I’ve called out before how you like to pretend things that are 99% identical are completely different and things that 0.01% remotely similar are identical just suit your political agenda. PP s entire election and party leadership campaigns were a rip off of Trump slogans and policies from hyping crypto to reversing the ban on plastic straws to pledging “anti-woke” and “anti-DEI” crusades to his “Canada First” slogan to having policies “in sync” with Trump. No twisting required.    Carney is exactly like Trump because he signed a document in front of cameras LMAO ok pal sure that’s not twisting things. Just Hilarious. 
 

 

[Michael Hardner]

47 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

As Conservative columnist Andrew Coyne recently wrote:

 

“Once upon a time there was a village menaced by a giant ogre. The villagers met to decide how to respond. “We must give him what he wants,” said one of the villagers. “Then he will go away.” “No,” said another. “We must respond with purpose and force.” In the end the villagers tried a little of both approaches. Neither succeeded, because the ogre didn’t really know what he wanted and didn’t respond rationally. So they just had to muddle through. THE END

 

…As entertaining as it is to watch the famously smooth Mr. Carney flailing about, it is hard to see how any other prime minister would have done any better. Indeed, he is in good company. The whole world is dealing with similar threats.

It is, in fact, impossible to negotiate with Mr. Trump, because a) he does not have any consistent or coherent set of demands, and b) if he did, there is no reason to think he would live up to any undertaking he made in return. 
 

…It’s possible his attraction to tariffs has another basis: because they place him at the centre of the action. Everyone has to pay attention to him – to be “nice” to him, as he so often puts it. If so there is not much that anyone can really do with that. There is no “win-win,” as in most negotiations. There is only a problem to be managed, a matter of stalling for time and presenting as small a target as possible, until Mr. Trump grows too old or enfeebled to menace us further.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carney-donald-trump-tariff-negotiations/

Such as it is.  

"muddle through" ... just as our ability to assess "our" state of the nation evolves and settles in to a world where every citizen is a commenter.  How poor "we" will be will have a different relationship to our happiness, in the end.

 

After all, poor in 2025 isn't the same as poor in 1975.  In some ways, it's very much wealthier, in other ways poorer.  

[Legato]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s true though even if you’re too partisan and hate-filled to admit it.  Heads of state, global finance and business leaders around the world know and respect him. That’s just a fact whether you like it or not. 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No you’re lying.  As a point of fact he never said he “wanted Carney in.“.  That’s an outright lie from you. 

Yeah he did.  Here you go:

There, in his own words out of his own mouth, he wants the liberals in because they're easier to deal with. He thinks he can push the liberals around easier than the conservatives.  

And he said it more than once as well, he said it other times than just here. 

and PP is no friend of his. He said that more than once too. 

And everything else you said was just as wrong. You lie through your teeth to support your tribe and echo chamber.

So now I've proven that you are the liar. And your claim that I am is absolutely false and typical of a lying liberal left.

Pathetic. 

 

[paxamericana]

Look if you all don't want to make a deal , you can always petition for statehood.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO now who is lying?

It's still you kiddo

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 PP is not a “world renowned politician”what a joke He’s an UNKNOWN domestic politician, a NOBODY. ings. Just Hilarious. 

He's unknown domestically. Nobody's ever heard of Poilievre. Managed to pull off 41% of the vote domestically but no one's ever heard of him  
You're a complete tard  

And actually he is fairly well known internationally. The last year and a half everyone expected him to become the Prime Minister and so they took the time to learn. There's stories about him in literally every foreign newspaper. He's met and talked with tons of foreign leaders and representatives. He was meeting with a lot of those people back when he worked with harper

Meanwhile carney has never held office or worked as a politician for a single day in his life. And now trump is eating him for breakfast

And as I posted in the other thread with actual video evidence to back me up trump did want Carney. You are the one who is lying. And it absolutely was his intention.

And he specifically talks about how Poilievre was not his guy.

As to the spelling, must spell checker uses the American version. With carney negotiating for us you better get used to that

Beaver, you are just an out and out liar. You are a shill. You are a blind follower who does not give a shit about how badly Canada is doing or what happens to our people and have no national pride whatsoever. You care more about supporting a man who is about to rape and sink Canada and who lied his way into power then you do about Canada itself and I don't know why. I don't know what you think you owe the liberals that you would see Canada trashed rather than admit a truth that goes against your tribe.

You are literally a bad person. You have enough smarts unlike some of the people on this board to be able to look at this and see the truth and yet you willfully ignore it and cause harm for no better reason than you don't want to be seen as being wrong on the internet. That's scummy as hell bud

 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 LMAO a Trump worshipping cultist like yourself couldn’t perceive reality if he tried. How many times has TACO Trump postponed or watered down the tariffs now?

Stop with the misdirection now.

1. Carney talked up his retaliatory tariffs during the campaign. Then he went to the WH, got whipped like a dog on international TV, and secretly removed almost all of the tariffs, but then pretended that they were still on during the debates. That was embarrassing rollover #1.
2. Carney trumpeted his new tax on American social media giants, the DST, then Trump sent out a mean tweet and Carney instantly nixed it. The CBC tried to spin it as "Carney unilaterally scrapping the DST to improve trade relations", but we all know that he did it because Trump told him to.That was embarrassing rollover #2.

We all know that there have been endless other rollover moments, ie moments when Trump announced new tariffs and whatnot and Carney just did nothing or made a statement that he had to retract, but those were the big ones.

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And Trump has gushed more flattering statements about carney than vice versa.  But your blind eyes don’t see any of that do they?

OMG, dummy. Either your IQ is abysmally low, you have the memory of a goldfish, or you're a weasel and a cultist:

1. Trump gushed about Carney because he wanted the weakest adversary to get elected
2. Trump gushed about Putin and KJU in the past as well. He even talked up the Taliban leaders when he was negotiating with them. It's what he does, you mouth-breathing imbecile. He makes it easy for other leaders to sign shitty deals by publicly praising them. "This is a great guy. Look at him signing on all these documents I sent him." 

Further to #1, Trump knows that if Carney signs a deal then OUR OWN MEDIA will instantly start spinning it as "a good deal", and along with the comments where Trump buttered Carney's biscuits, they will make the cultist horde defend the new shitty deal. By contrast, any deal that PP signed would be hailed as a disaster for the Canadian economy and the MSM would also say "it disproportionately hurts minority communities", etc.

Trump doesn't want resistance. He got the weak adversary that he wanted, and at the same time he got the MSM in Canada praising our PM's every sellout. 

Trump dummied you six ways from Sunday, buddy. You are so deep in his back pocket now that you need the Webb Telescope to see the lint. Trump is already your leader, you don't even know it.

 

[WestCanMan]

PS: @BeaverFever, tell me where your other forum is so that I can come there to mop the floor with you some more.

You'll know who I am right away by the utter humiliation that I rain down on you, but I will take the username "BeavesDaddy" just to make sure that you know it's me. 

[Barquentine]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:54 PM, CdnFox said:

We managed to get 35% coming down the pipe.

Except for TACO and CUSMA.

 

On 7/15/2025 at 9:54 PM, CdnFox said:

Other countries got to keep their digital services tax

The EU is dropping theirs.

 

On 7/15/2025 at 9:54 PM, CdnFox said:

axworthy who is a qualified international negotiator who works for the liberals is calling him a boot licker

 You love Liberal Axworthy now , don't you. He's entitled to his opinion. It happens...

Global News March 28, 2025
Teneycke...gave a scathing review of the Conservative campaign so far in a Thursday evening speech at the Empire Club in Toronto — a rare public intervention from a partisan so early in a campaign.

 

[Boges]

I'd like to know what PP supporters think he'd have done differently to avoid these tariff threats. 

I think Trump and team are begging for rates to be cut ASAP because he knows price increases are imminent. So at least he can point to something he's done to lower prices. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Except for TACO and CUSMA.

 

there is no taco so far. He's left our tariffs in place.  And we had cusma before, and THAT is still up for renegotiation next year. 

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The EU is dropping theirs.

But got other concessions. We haven't got a SINGLE concession. 

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You love Liberal Axworthy now , don't you

I love that you guys cannot address what he said. 

You run like terrified rabbits whenever it gets brought up. 

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Teneycke...gave a scathing review of the Conservative campaign so far in a Thursday

LOL and? Was that your pathetic attempt at deflection?

Everyone knows that teneycke hates Jenni Byrne with a passion (and vice versa) and he absolutely wants to see the CPC drop her as a consultant, and they just announced they haven't. So big surprise he's out there criticizing her campaign. And some of it's valid. The cpc will have to think about that and PP will have to address how he's going to deal with the problems that she brings OR replace her.   Teneycke is on a warpath to drum up support for turfing her. The guy isn't really much of a conservative, he's just the campaign manager for ford who's more liberal than conservative himself these days. 

But.... none of that changes what Axeworthy said about carney.  

And there's more talk these days. 

EDITORIAL: Carney moves the goalposts on tariffs

Carney changes messaging, says chances are low for tariff-free trade deal with U.S. - The Globe and Mail

Canada’s Carney talked tough on Trump - now some say he's backing down

The U.S. is not our friend any more. Has anyone told Mark Carney? - The Globe and Mail

 

Basically everybody agrees that he hasn't kept his word, that the negotiations are going badly for us and that he's giving away tons of stuff without getting anything in return. 

Axworthy was only one voice out of many. But it's one you couldn't pretend was a conservative.

 

Carney is failing. He said he could deliver a deal with no new tariffs and he absolutely cannot live up to his word, and that was just a few months ago and AFTER he'd talked to trump. 

 

[Boges]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

there is no taco so far. He's left our tariffs in place.  And we had cusma before, and THAT is still up for renegotiation next year. 

Yeah but the initial salvo came as 25% tariffs on all imports and 10% on energy. 

Then a one month TACO the day before the tariffs were set to be implemented. 

A month later the 25% tariffs were implemented. 

Another TACO after two days. 

Then came the silly Liberation Day tariffs on every country. Where Canada and Mexico were left out due to the USMCA. 

A 90-day TACO followed that. 

Now we're in a scenario where these 35% tariffs are only on non-USMCA goods. I'm not even sure what makes something non-USMCA compliant. In a year they'll have to review the deal HE SIGNED!!!! But a lot can change in a year. Especially when the reality of all these tariffs hit the US consumer. And the fact that mid-terms will be imminent.  

The other issue are these industry specific tariffs where Canada isn't specifically targeted but are effected nonetheless. I think Canada would do well to do more to protect our industries by ensuring we source our steel, aluminum and lumber locally. Which is what Carney was getting at yesterday. 

As for the Auto Industry, that's a separate discussion altogether.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The problem with tariff taxes is that they will make things more expensive for American voters. Is Trump really going to jack up the price of coffee from Brazil? I’d like to see him going after India and China on Russian oil imports but that would feed into his economy too. Tariffs have a bad habit of biting you in the backside. 

[Barquentine]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

there is no taco so far

It isn't Aug 1 yet.

 

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

got other concessions

What concessions? They haven't signed a deal yet.

 

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I love that you guys cannot address what he said. 

You run like terrified rabbits whenever it gets brought up.

I said he's entitled to his opinion. We even grant that privilege to you and your ilk.

 

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

none of that changes what Axeworthy said about carney

And none of that changes what Teneycke correctly said about PeePee's losing campaign.

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

everybody agrees that he hasn't kept his word

No they don't. At least try to be half serious.

 

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

he's giving away tons of stuff

Can you tell us exactly what the tons of stuff are. Make an attempt at specificity (Hint: that's a big word for using facts).

[Nationalist]

On 7/14/2025 at 8:36 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney can! He said so in the election and promised that he could deal with trump no trouble!

Carney wouldn't lie to Us would he?

You could always just leave on your own Instead of making him do it      

 

Anyway carney promised he would be able to handle this so don't sweat it. Just sit back and watch him work his magic, that was the whole reason he got elected 

Yup.

"Elbows Up"

Carney will cave.

[Nationalist]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:12 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

From the posts I've read on this forum, you've taken ideology to another level with your fascination of Carney and sadness of losing another election to the liberals.  Maybe next time?

No...this time.

The Carney will do as Trump instructs.

Just watch.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Yeah but the initial salvo came as 25% tariffs on all imports and 10% on energy. 

 

but it was quickly corrected . And that mostly came as a result of Americans shaming him over the fact that he was the one that signed the deal so how can he complain about it. It really wasn't anything we did

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Then a one month TACO the day before the tariffs were set to be implemented. 

For which we gave him a bunch of stuff for free. Then he reset and we gave him a bunch of stuff for free.

This isn't him being a taco, this is him getting stuff for free just for threatening us. And it's going on ever since anytime he threatens us we give something up.

A taco is where he threatens something and then backs down without getting what he wants. What you're talking about is where he backs down after he does get what he wants. That's not chickening out, that's enjoying the freebie

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Now we're in a scenario where these 35% tariffs are only on non-USMCA goods. I'm not even sure what makes something non-USMCA compliant.

The trade agreement outlines what trades and products are included in the agreement. If something is covered by the agreement then it is excluded because it's part of the agreement.

The bad news is the agreement is scheduled to be renegotiated next year and he refused to bring those negotiations forward. So as of next year they can apply it to pretty much everything without canceling the agreement if that's what they want

So let's be clear. Trump says he'll impose tariffs, we rush forward and spend a few billion dollars on the border and beg him not to, he says he'll hold off for a month or two but then we'll get tariffed. We rush forward with trade negotiations and agree that we will remove our tariffs without him removing any that he's put on.

He then increases tariffs on some of our products and we do nothing.

We then decide we will carry forward with our plan to implement the DST and he tells us to sit down and shut up and so we do and we get nothing for it.

Now he's implementing more tariffs and we're paying 35%, where is everyone else for the most part is paying 30. And ONCE AGAIN his wishlist is growing and we've gotten NOTHING

What's Trump really want? Behind the chaos in U.S.-Canada trade talks | National Post

 

A few more tacos and we are already going to be the 51st state. You clearly don't know what taco means.  Carney is the one who keeps chickening out, he's given trump everything and gotten nothing in return.  And carney keeps pushing back the retaliation date. 

We are quickly losing this fight. 

[paxamericana]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We are quickly losing this fight. 

Orange man wants a signed surrender letter.
 

The DMV takes a months to get the new drivers licenses ready so apply early. Taxes are due every April 15.