Debunking the immigrant and crime myth

[blackbird]

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The scapegoating of ethnic and religious minorities is well-tread historical ground in the United States, and immigrants have always made for an easy target. Chinese, Irish, Italian, Muslim, Mexican—all these people and more have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. Today, some politicians are peddling the same, tired myth, this time of a “migrant crime surge” among immigrants who recently arrived in the country.

However, a robust body of research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities not only does not increase crime, but can actually strengthen public safety. In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime.

The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined. In 1980, immigrants made up 6.2 percent of the U.S. population, and the total crime rate was 5,900 crimes per 100,000 people. By 2022, the share of immigrants had more than doubled, to 13.9 percent, while the total crime rate had dropped by 60.4 percent, to 2,335 crimes per 100,000 people. Specifically, the violent crime rate fell by 34.5 percent and the property crime rate fell by 63.3 percent."   

For the whole article:

Debunking the Myth of Immigrants and Crime - American Immigration Council

[User]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

For the whole article:

This is a strawman argument and just plain dishonest. 

We are not talking about per capita crime rates, we are talking about illegal immigrants who should not be here at all, engaged in not only violent crimes, but other harmful crimes to Americans. 

It doesn't matter if the per capita rate is lower, what matters is that it is MORE aggregate crime that shouldn't exist at all. 

Let's break down the stupid dishonesty here:

Option 1: 1,000,000 citizens live in smalltown USA and there are 1,000 rapes a year. 

Option 2: 200,000 Illegal immigratns enter smalltown USA and there are now 1,100 rapes a year

You are sitting here telling everyone that having MORE RAPE is better, well, because the per capita rate went down a little bit. 

The point is that those 100 rapes should never have happened at all here, because they are not supposed to be here. 

 

[robosmith]

"They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats" 

[Venandi]

57 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The scapegoating of ethnic and religious minorities is well-tread historical ground in the United States,

Not just the US by the looks of things... the Toronto Police Service is clearly guilty of scapegoating too.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

Edited July 12, 2025 by Venandi

[User]

This is the depraved argument being made here:

Oh, your daughter was raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant? That should have been deported after he was arrested for a DUI but we are a sanctuary city opposed to helping ICE with deportations?

OOPS, sorry, but here, let us tell you about the myth of "immigrant" crime and how the overall per capita crime rates are slightly lower. 

 

[herbie]

Yeah we know. You 'heard about' an incident so all the facts, figures snd data held in front of your nose must be fake news.

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

The scapegoating of ethnic and religious minorities is well-tread historical ground in the United States, and immigrants have always made for an easy target. Chinese, Irish, Italian, Muslim, Mexican—all these people and more have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. Today, some politicians are peddling the same, tired myth, this time of a “migrant crime surge” among immigrants who recently arrived in the country.

However, a robust body of research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities not only does not increase crime, but can actually strengthen public safety. In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime.

The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined. In 1980, immigrants made up 6.2 percent of the U.S. population, and the total crime rate was 5,900 crimes per 100,000 people. By 2022, the share of immigrants had more than doubled, to 13.9 percent, while the total crime rate had dropped by 60.4 percent, to 2,335 crimes per 100,000 people. Specifically, the violent crime rate fell by 34.5 percent and the property crime rate fell by 63.3 percent."   

For the whole article:

Debunking the Myth of Immigrants and Crime - American Immigration Council

That's the stupidest research a communist can submit. 

The truth is, that up until Trump got back into the WH, the democrats were flooding the country with mostly military aged males from the world's most prolific shitholes. This is becuse they wanted those wild animals to plant their flags in our neighborhoods and expand their criminal enterprises. 

Edited July 13, 2025 by Deluge

[User]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yeah we know. You 'heard about' an incident so all the facts, figures snd data held in front of your nose must be fake news.

I did not hear about anything. There are numerous reports on illegal immigrants getting DUI's and killing famalies, raping people, and killing them. Plenty of incidents where some of them were caught before for breaking the law and let go by leftists sanctuary city policies. 

 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

That's the srupidest research anyone can submit. 

The truth is, that up until Trump got back into the WH, the democrats were flooding the country with mostly military aged males from the world's most prolific shitholes. This is becuse they wanted wild animals to plant their flags in our neighborhoods and expand their gangs. 

It is entirely dishonest because:

1. They ignore the fact that an ILLEGAL immigrant is already a criminal breaking the law

2. They have no real data to sufficiently say how many ILLEGAL immigrants are breaking other laws around identity, fraud, to be here illegally... BECAUSE they are here illegally hiding and you can't count that, on top of the other crimes they are engaged in that don't get reported because they are committing crimes against other illegal immigrants who won't report it...

Look at Garcia, he was clearly engaged in Human trafficing when pulled over, but the Biden administration didn't charge him, the local Democrats didn't bother charging him... they just let him go. 

So, guess what, that is a criminal and a criminal act not recorded in those totals. How much of that is going on?

Edited July 12, 2025 by User

[Michael Hardner]

Myths are the fuel for the ignorant machine that is American politics.

Who would seriously consider ending that?

[Deluge]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Myths are the fuel for the ignorant machine that is American politics.

Who would seriously consider ending that?

Talk about what makes America so mythical, Mike. I'm curious to know. 

[CDN1]

I don't buy these statistics at all. It doesn't bare out in any other Western nation.

Look at Canada. 90% of Black Canadians don't have two parents who were born in the country. The Black population was 1% in the 90s.

Today, Black Canadians commit murder at 5-6x the per capita rate of White Canadians, nearly 10x the gun crime, etc.

Edited July 13, 2025 by CDN1

[paxamericana]

I actually think that when you have an influx of economic migrant they tend to congregate in the ghettos and perpetuate the cycle of poverty and crime, a well understood mechanism. This isn’t often discussed by the academic circles for dishonest reasons. If the local population is subjected to the poverty cycle that enable crimes, why would vulnerable economic migrant not fall prey to the same conditions? They do. 

Edited July 13, 2025 by paxamericana

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CDN1 said:

I don't buy these statistics at all. It doesn't bare out in any other Western nation.

Look at Canada. 90% of Black Canadians don't have two parents who were born in the country. The Black population was 1% in the 90s.

Today, Black Canadians commit murder at 5-6x the per capita rate of White Canadians, nearly 10x the gun crime, etc.

Maybe if your beloved Liberal government had not made all the soft-on-crime laws and easy bail, you would have half of the crime you have now.  Perhaps stop voting for Liberals or NDP for a change and stop releasing dangerous offenders on bail constantly and releasing dangerous offenders and murderers from prison far too early. 

Do you seriously think the Liberal policies are not a major cause of all the crime?   A judge recently released a man on bail who had assaulted his wife.  Then he went out and beat her to death with a hammer.  Thank the liberals.   Who are the real criminals making hundreds of thousands a year on taxpayer's backs.

[Nationalist]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah we know. You 'heard about' an incident so all the facts, figures snd data held in front of your nose must be fake news.

One does not justify the other.

I thought you Libbies like to waive your "empathy" around like a flag.

Apparently it's not the US flag, but the Mexican flag...

[Shady]

As has already been said, the issue is that they shouldn’t be in the country in the first place, to even commit a crime.

[User]

On 7/13/2025 at 8:05 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Myths are the fuel for the ignorant machine that is American politics.

Who would seriously consider ending that?

Thank you for adding absolutely no value to this discussion!

[blackbird]

On 7/13/2025 at 9:42 AM, Shady said:

As has already been said, the issue is that they shouldn’t be in the country in the first place, to even commit a crime.

"Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens and find no evidence that undocumented criminality has increased in recent years. Our findings help us understand why the most aggressive immigrant removal programs have not delivered on their crime reduction promises and are unlikely to do so in the future."

Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas - PMC

[User]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates

You continue to ignore the point he, others, and myself keep making. 

You focus on the rates, when we keep telling you the aggregate crime TOTALS should never have been that high to begin with. All those famalies killed by a DUI, the rapes, the murders... none of that should happen at all because an illegal immigrant IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

[gatomontes99]

14 minutes ago, User said:

You continue to ignore the point he, others, and myself keep making. 

You focus on the rates, when we keep telling you the aggregate crime TOTALS should never have been that high to begin with. All those famalies killed by a DUI, the rapes, the murders... none of that should happen at all because an illegal immigrant IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

The rates aren't lower. The rates are under reported. California, New York and others don't report immigration status. So the rates listed in his so called study are completely invalid. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The rates aren't lower. The rates are under reported. California, New York and others don't report immigration status. So the rates listed in his so called study are completely invalid. 

I agree 100%.

I gave a few reasons earlier too. 

The perfect example is how neither Biden nor the state he was stopped in bothered to arrest or try to convict Garcia on his obvious human trafficking crime... because they all turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. 

When Democrats refuse to charge illegal immigrants with crimes or bother with arresting them, of course the crime rates are lower. 

This also goes into how illegal immigrants operate unlicensed businesses as well. Authorities don't bother because they are wasting their time because they turn a blind eye to them.