Trump announces 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your birth rate is also below replacement level. Your social security system is nearing insolvency. Our CPP is a real pension plan where employee contributions are invested like other pension plans and doing rather well like most independent plans these day. Your federal debt to GDP is 120%, ours is 69%. and Trump wants to add another 3 trillion. Only an id*ot would want to join the shit show you have going on. Fortunately they are a small minority of Canadians.

Not until recently as of 2010. We have time you don't. We're the world currency reserve. We can print as much as we want. Canada do not have these levers. 

[Aristides]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Not until recently as of 2010. We have time you don't. We're the world currency reserve. We can print as much as we want. Canada do not have these levers. 

You are only the world currency reserve as long as the rest of the world wants you to be. Your interest rates are 2% higher than ours yet your dollar has lost 10% against the CAD.

[paxamericana]

Just now, Aristides said:

You are only the world currency reserve as long as the rest of the world wants you to be. Your interest rates are 2% higher than ours yet your dollar has lost 10% against the CAD.

Grasp at all the straws you want. Best you learn some American since you'll be applying for statehood soon. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

trump thinks that carney is weak

That's only because Trump thinks he's omnipotent. You truly admire him for that - almost as much as yourself.

[Aristides]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Grasp at all the straws you want. Best you learn some American since you'll be applying for statehood soon. 

Your dollar is down against every major currency in spite of higher interest rates. You are having to pay more to service your debt because of it. That is not a sign of confidence in the USD. You have become a tiresome troll who has nothing left to offer.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, you have no experience in negotiating as your non-stop comments suggest.

Awwww little buddie,  didn't get the answer you wanted so you're just going to make one up now are you?  LOLOLOL

I guess it upset your little feelings that I was able to call you out like that so accurately  

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

you want to see Carney fail in whichever way that would look like so your guy can possibly be relevant again. 

No that would be you projecting. We've already been through this, I would actually like to see carney do well in this area. It is going to hurt us beyond belief if he does not. It was his one job that he got elected on. And I am absolutely certain having watched him even for a short time that he's going to screw up other things more than enough, we don't need him to screw up this.

But as you revealed in that conversation it is actually you who will dishonestly lie about the result to keep the liberals in power. You don't care whether he does well or does horribly, even if he does horribly your intent is to say he will do well so that you can continue to justify your support even if he puts Canada in the garbage cans.

And it kind of sounds like you expect that's what will happen. I think we both know at this point we're not likely to walk away with a very good deal, it's going to be a question of how bad it is.

[SpankyMcFarland]

In a trade war my first loyalty is to Canada. Our leaders won’t be perfect but we surely have no choice but to support them? 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In a trade war my first loyalty is to Canada. Our leaders won’t be perfect but we surely have no choice but to support them? 

We have no choice but to support them during the negotiations. This moment would not be the time for dissent, and I notice even the CPC is playing by that rule book. 

Historically however, the liberals have behaved entirely the opposite. During the financial crisis during harpers time the liberals and NDP tried to take over the government, harass the government night and day and generally got in Canada's way. So I hope like hell that you and yours actually learn from this and start being decent human beings when the roles  are reversed the next time. It's always so disgusting to see you and your kind screaming to High Heavens about the need for unity when you're in charge and screaming to the High Heavens about the need to rip Canada apart when you are not and there's a crisis

I mean said that and moving on, well we need to stick together at the moment while the negotiations are going on, it is absolutely necessary to hold the government to account to their performance after.

And here's what I suspect is going to happen. I suspect carney is going to get a horrible deal. At this point in time I'm almost certain of it given how things are going and how hard trump is pushing. And when that happens what I suspect is that the liberals will immediately say oh well come on let's go time to talk about something else let's shut up about it and demand that it's over and that it's in the past and there's no sense talking about ancient history.

And that will be unacceptable. And anyone who does do that is the scum of the earth type who make people like trump look good

[herbie]

Notice the threatened EU and Maxican tariff is 30% and Canada's is 35%?

The petty Pighead is continuing his Trudeau derangement because Carney is a liberal too. Trump is Canada's #1 Enemy and should be treated as such.
As I pointed out in another thread he has made more actual threats to Canada in only 6 months than the USSR did in 70 years.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Notice the threatened EU and Maxican tariff is 30% and Canada's is 35%?

The petty Pighead is continuing his Trudeau derangement because Carney is a liberal too. 

Sadly no. He sees Carney is weak. He was straight up during the election that carney is the guy he wanted like good little Lemmings all you folk on the left decided to give him what he wanted. Now he thinks if he pressures carney then carney will cave. He's bullying carney because carney has already given him his lunch money two or three times. Carney keeps putting these imaginary dates out for deadlines and then moving them when trump tells him to F off. He gave trump everything he wanted with regards to the border. He totally caved on that tax before the weekend was over.  Trump just doesn't respect people like that, you can't show him your belly and expect him not to go for your throat

Charlie has handled this poorly and trump is taking advantage and that's that simple

 

[suds]

On 7/11/2025 at 6:13 PM, Aristides said:

Your birth rate is also below replacement level. Your social security system is nearing insolvency. Our CPP is a real pension plan where employee contributions are invested like other pension plans and doing rather well like most independent plans these day. Your federal debt to GDP is 120%, ours is 69%. and Trump wants to add another 3 trillion. Only an id*ot would want to join the shit show you have going on. Fortunately they are a small minority of Canadians.

According to 2025 IMF statistics, U.S. federal debt to GDP ratio is 122.5%, while Canada is not far behind at 112.5%.  The difference between IMF and Canadian estimates is that Canada uses net debt figures while the IMF uses general gross debt in its calculations. Canada subtracts it's Canada Pension Plan and Quebec Pension Plan holdings from its gross government debt, while other countries see them as both assets and future liabilities, so ignore them. So basically, the figures you provided are comparing apples to oranges.

[Barquentine]

On 7/11/2025 at 2:14 PM, CdnFox said:

Canada has been getting a far worse deal than everyone else that's gone to trump and it's taking us longer to get there

What deals? The UK has a signed "framework' to work toward a deal. Vietnam got something similar but Trump pulled a 'bait-and-switch' where an agreed 11% tariff was suddenly 20% on the final draft so Vietnam refused to sign.

And now because he's out of ideas we're at 35% because of the " over "fentanyl pouring the border" excuse again. But the 35% doesn't include energy or fertilizer, or anything covered by Cusma. But then there's 50% or whatever on steel, aluminum, and copper. Who knows WTF is going on.

The EU decided to drop their DST, now they get 30% tariffs, like Mexico.

It's not just Carney: NOBODY can deal with this Ginger Jackass, and they probably shouldn't even try. What would the Americans do if nobody showed up to negotiate, if leaders stopped taking Trump's calls?

We'll be hurt for a while but the US will be committing suicide if they keep this up. People may promise, but there won't be much investment in the US soon, and I'm no economist but I think the Bond Market will exact a high price.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

What deals? The UK has a signed "framework' to work toward a deal. Vietnam got something similar but Trump pulled a 'bait-and-switch' where an agreed 11% tariff was suddenly 20% on the final draft so Vietnam refused to sign.

UK also got its terrorist reduced while they worked on the finalization of the framework. Meanwhile we have no framework and our tariffs are going up. Quite the difference. Oh and they got to keep their DST

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And now because he's out of ideas we're at 35% because of the " over "fentanyl pouring the border" excuse again. But the 35% doesn't include energy or fertilizer, or anything covered by Cusma. But then there's 50% or whatever on steel, aluminum, and copper. Who knows WTF is going on.

It's fairly obvious what's going on. He thinks carney is a wimp and he's putting pressure on Carney so that carney will cave and give him what he wants.

Carney was his pick for leader of Canada for this reason.

 

 

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It's not just Carney: NOBODY can deal with this Ginger Jackass,

He said he could. His whole election pitch was that he would be able to deal with trump, not maybe not hopefully or anything he said he had the skills and the knowledge to be able to deal with trump.

And now he's doing worse than most of the other people.

And instead of fighting back like he promised he's bowing down every time trump tightens the thumb screws a little

Even the former liberal trade minister Axworthy who was extremely well respected by both sides in international negotiations is calling him a boot licker.

He is incompetent. And he's incompetent at a time when we desperately needed someone to be ultra competent. He lied his ass off and fooled you all. You should be deeply embarrassed that you fell for such a stupidly simple lie and swallowed the hook right down to your stomach

[Barquentine]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And now he's doing worse than most of the other people.

You have no proof of that. 

Sad, but your extreme partisanship makes you stupid sometimes.

[paxamericana]

Why don’t you all just surrender and give orange man your cheese? Your entire population is along the border hugging the US for warmth. It’s silly to think Canada can manage without the US. Cut a deal, the sooner the better. 

 

Edited July 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You have no proof of that. 

 

Sure we do. The deal he's doing with other people are public knowledge.

Complete swing and a miss there kiddo.

And he looks weak as F. Keeps setting deadlines and then when trump completely ignores them he just resets them to a later date

This is going terribly. And he promised that he would be able to handle trump, so there's no excuses

 

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Why don’t you all just surrender and give orange man your cheese? Your entire population is along the border hugging the US for warmth. It’s silly to think Canada can manage without the US. Cut a deal, the sooner the better. 

 

Because America sucks and we don't want to be part of it. Take a hint  

[Barquentine]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure we do. The deal he's doing with other people are public knowledge

What deals?

[paxamericana]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Take a hint  

Well don’t complain about achieving fourth world status for your own ego’s sake. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Well don’t complain about achieving fourth world status for your own ego’s sake. 

???

First off that didn't make a lot of sense, but second off about half your population right now is claiming your fourth world dictatorship actually.    I think they're wrong, but it would seem that they are attempting to satisfy their egos

[paxamericana]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

???

First off that didn't make a lot of sense, but second off about half your population right now is claiming your fourth world dictatorship actually.    I think they're wrong, but it would seem that they are attempting to satisfy their egos

No, your premise for Canadian independence is that Canada is a sovereign entity yet it it relies heavily on exporting to the US while putting up it's own trade barrier. If you want to be a sovereign country then pay for it. Like literally, pay for a military, pay the tariff import cost. If your economy tank because of said trade barrier well I guess that's just the inconvenience it cost to having a sovereign country. Just don't complain about it . 

[BTDT]

Yup, still waiting for those tariffs to hit me. I have not seen anything go up by 25% or 35% in any of my shopping.

In fact, having been to the US a few times since Trump's tariffs took over, I have not been charged on anything I brought back that was even made in the USA.

Stop listening to bullsh*t CBC and get a life! Do any of you people have hobbies or do you spend all your time on here 24/7? I was busy this weekend.

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, BTDT said:

Do any of you people have hobbies or do you spend all your time on here 24/7?

No, Canada needs me. I'm here to prophesize the return of the Canada to the American empire. 

Edited July 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[BTDT]

9 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

No, Canada needs me. I'm here to prophesize the return of the Canada to the American empire. 

If the dollar was at par, I would leave this sh*thole of a country and move to the US.

So many of my friends have and despite what you hear on the news, they are doing far better than we are. For starters, they are not being taxed to death and living in a dictatorship where some clown of a PM comes up with Bills that nobody asked for.

Edited July 14, 2025 by BTDT

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, BTDT said:

So many of my friends have and despite what you hear on the news, they are doing far better than we are. For starters, they are not being taxed to death and living in a dictatorship where some clown of a PM comes up with Bills that nobody asked for.

Yes the median salary for our house hold is much higher. Our cost of living is also lower. So if you are a younger couple, you would need to move to the states to live the same quality of life that your parents had.  

[herbie]

33 minutes ago, BTDT said:

If the dollar was at par, I would leave this sh*thole of a country and move to the US.

Well you've missed your chance several times over the decades ya traitor. Join the Alberta separatists who wish to found a country based solely on an extra dollar in your pocket as its 'founding principal'.