Trump announces 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1

[CdnFox]

Trump announces 35% tariffs on Canada starting august 1st

 

U.S. President Donald Trump announced Thursday that starting Aug. 1, the U.S. will charge a 35 per cent tariff on Canadian products sent into the country.

The president made the announcement in an open letter to Prime Minister Mark Carney posted on Truth Social.

[CdnFox]

So this is going well.

Obviously there's something that Carney was hoping to get that trump is sick of him asking for and trump knows he can force carney into backing down just by threatening him.

So whatever it is carney will have to give it up and trump will get the deal he wants and probably take the tariffs off before they are implemented and carney will try to claim the fact that we got a crappy deal because he caved like a biatch is ok because he 'talked trump into taking off the tariffs"  (by selling canada out), 

Like I said the last time he gave, he is basically invited trump to come at him again the same way

[Aristides]

Carney has a minority and will have to read the room. I don't think a majority of Canadians are interested in kissing Agent Orange's ring without a fight. 

[LinkSoul60]

Agree that the majority of Canadian's want to see Carney push back and hold his ground.  Not surprising that Trump has gone public twice now in 'negotiations that we won't be discussing in public'. Tells me that Carney isn't bending. Keep pushing back like most other countries are and let the business and political pressure force his hand, if the economy doesn't first.  

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Carney has a minority and will have to read the room. I don't think a majority of Canadians are interested in kissing Agent Orange's ring without a fight. 

I definitely think that there are  sentiments along those lines But he's kind of painted himself into a corner at this stage.

Carney has not fought back for so long that at this point if trump clobbers him with 50% in tariffs he's going to be hard for him to fight back, and trump is going to believe that he won't fight back for long.

I suspect instead of that what carney will do is cave but ask for something so that he can say this deal could have been worse and he was able to talk trump out of the huge tariffs. And we will get a terrible deal at Carney will try and pass it off as being the best that could possibly have been done

[eyeball]

I think and certainly hope Carney will tell Trump to go pee up a rope.

The Orange One is still blaming fentanyl for tariffs FFS. Canadians will only stand for so much bs.

Meanwhile it remains to be seen how much bs Americans are willing to put up with in terms of stupidly inflated prices the Orange Dink causes.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think and certainly hope Carney will tell Trump to go pee up a rope.

The Orange One is still blaming fentanyl for tariffs FFS. Canadians will only stand for so much bs.

Meanwhile it remains to be seen how much bs Americans are willing to put up with in terms of stupidly inflated prices the Orange Dink causes.

The challenges we've already stood for more BS than we should have and that makes it really hard. The only way to put them off at this point because he already thinks carney is weak is a real stand-up fight and that's going to do a crap ton of damage to Canada and carney will probably have to wear it even if that's what people want. But we're way past the line of a few simple retaliatory tariffs if we fight back at all

[paxamericana]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

(by selling canada out)

Just apply for annexation and get it over with. What do you have to lose other than your own pride. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Just apply for annexation and get it over with. What do you have to lose other than your own pride. 

Canada is much better than the united states. Why would we give it up to settle for something lesser?

10 years of left-wing rule have definitely hurt Canada so it's not as good now as it used to be, but we can fix that.

[Legato]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Just apply for annexation and get it over with. What do you have to lose other than your own pride. 

Not so simple.

We would have to consult with the 1st Nations, 2nd Nations and now 3rd Nations.

The Caribou, Beaver (not that kind) and post Turtles will need an input.

Then a research team of consultants would need at a minimum 4 years to write a 2666 page report.

By that time Trump will be out of office and Snoop Dogg is the new President.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The challenges we've already stood for more BS than we should have and that makes it really hard. The only way to put them off at this point because he already thinks carney is weak is a real stand-up fight and that's going to do a crap ton of damage to Canada and carney will probably have to wear it even if that's what people want. But we're way past the line of a few simple retaliatory tariffs if we fight back at all

Whatever, all you really care about is that Carney comes out looking weak or bad. Which is certainly your prerogative.

Carney doesn't really don't need to react directly to Trump because most of the damage Trump is inflicting is on the US and himself. Canadians meanwhile are fighting back themselves by keeping up their boycott of US goods, buying Canadian wherever possiblenand expanding their horizons and looking for new customers. Canadians also seem comfortable dealing with the pain while knowing it's Trump's fault. No one seems to be in much of a mood for caving except you.

Speaking of appearing weak and lame so does trying to gain some traction on your sour grapes.

[BeaverFever]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So this is going well.

Obviously there's something that Carney was hoping to get that trump is sick of him asking for and trump knows he can force carney into backing down just by threatening him.

So whatever it is carney will have to give it up and trump will get the deal he wants and probably take the tariffs off before they are implemented and carney will try to claim the fact that we got a crappy deal because he caved like a biatch is ok because he 'talked trump into taking off the tariffs"  (by selling canada out), 

Like I said the last time he gave, he is basically invited trump to come at him again the same way

No it’s just Trump being Trump: unreasonable, irrational and erratic. If you haven’t seen, he’s upping the tariffs on pretty much everyone and said the baseline 10% universal on all countries would go up to 15% or 20%. It’s not a coincidence thisnis happening after his “Big beautiful bill” jacked up the deficit again. He is cash poor and looking for federal revenue or personal bribes  
 

Maybe if we offer him a a tricked out luxury airplane, buy a couple million worth of Trump crypto, ugly made in China Trump sneakers, watches etc, some memberships to the that new Trump family bribe private club and so on he will leave us alone. 
 

Also: the White House has just said the new tariff only applies to the non-CUSMA compliant trade which is already tariffed at 25%

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Whatever, all you really care about is that Carney comes out looking weak or bad. Which is certainly your prerogative.

I understand that you're so immensely blinded by your radical devotion to your faith in the liberals, but actually other people do care about more than just their political favorites.

Even though it would be less than ideal for the conservatives it would be more than ideal for Canada for him to walk away with a good package. And I have absolute faith in him to screw up enough other places that it won't be necessary to beat him in the future  

It's the one thing he was supposed to be better at than anyone else, dealing with trump. He said he could handle it. So if that would be the silver lining to an otherwise crappy result of the election.

But there's no doubt it has not been going well. And the current threat suggests that trump thinks that carney is weak. Canada has been getting a far worse deal than everyone else that's gone to trump and it's taking us longer to get there.

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Carney doesn't really don't need to react directly to Trump because most of the damage Trump

Of course he does. Nobody here thinks you're terribly bright but if you could avoid looking like a complete tard that would be beneficial. Whatever harm he does America it will be worse here an hour business people and our stock markets and our economy is watching what's happening. How he reacts will mean everything. And if he doesn't respond it will make him look even weaker. We have to think of our relationship not just with trump but with other trading partners and we do not want to look like we're completely powerless to them.

And if you want to talk about sour grapes, it's pretty obvious that anyone stupid enough to suggest that carney doesn't have to respond to a major threat from the united states is better beyond belief and trying desperately to put lipstick on a pig. You should be ashamed of yourself, this is one subject that partisan politics really doesn't belong  in. 

But let's face it, as you have shown you will tell any lie and make up any fiction in order to try and defend your beloved liberals as always

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

But there's no doubt it has not been going well.

I'm curious of the practical negotiating experience you've acquired through your career.  Do you have any, or are you counting the back and forth at the McDonald drive thru window about the price of your happy meal as acquired experience?

[herbie]

He will announce more and more tariffs every day until someone tells him to F^ck Off and Die.
He continues to act like the most a$$holic boss you ever worked for in your life, too dimwitted to understand other countries don't work for him, they work for themselves and always will.

[ExFlyer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Canada Strong and Free  ·

Nancy MCClure  ·   ·

 

Let’s clear up one of the most dishonest narratives floating around right now: the idea that Mark Carney came into office thinking he could control Donald Trump. He did not!

And if you actually listened to what he said on election night, not the headlines, not the spin, but the speech, you’d know that’s not what this is about at all. Carney never claimed he could tame the chaos. What he said was far more sobering, and far more important. “We are at one of those hinge moments of history. Our old relationship with the United States, a relationship based on steadily increasing integration, is over. The system of open global trade, anchored by the United States, a system that Canada has relied on since the Second World War, a system that, although not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for our country for decades, is over. We now have to look out for ourselves and above all, we have to take care of each other.”

That’s not a man walking in with delusions of grandeur. That’s a strategist walking into the fire with his eyes wide open.

So let’s stop pretending that this week’s tariff tantrum was some unexpected detour. It wasn’t. It’s the road we’re on. And Carney knew it was a logging-road switchback from the start, the kind you take slowly, carefully, with your hand on the brake and your eyes on the curve. The kind where you’d better be listening on the radio, because if you come around that blind corner without warning, you could be staring down a half-loaded semi barreling toward you with no room to swerve. This is the road. And this is the man who knew how bad it might get.

Now, yes, Carney is being quieter than usual. That unnerves some people. But I don’t mind it. When the guy across from you plays by no rules, shows no consistency, and responds only to power and optics, sometimes silence is strategy. You don’t yell into the storm. You brace for it, map your exit routes, and build the conditions for survival on the other side.

So no, I don’t believe for one second that Carney thought he was going to walk in and smooth-talk Trump into a trade deal with a bow on it. What I do believe is that he knew, from day one, that he was the best chance we had of navigating this with our economy, our sovereignty, and our dignity intact.

All of the world’s most seasoned leaders are struggling to deal with Trump. And for those Canadians who still believe that Pierre Poilievre would have handled this better. Are you kidding? The man’s still deciding what brand of beer makes him look relatable.

Carney’s not trying to “manage” Trump. He’s trying to buffer Canada from Trump. And from the volatility of a global system that no longer plays by rules, treaties, or even timelines. This isn’t diplomacy as usual. It’s crisis management, at scale.

And for those keeping track at home: yes, Carney is also trying with Alberta. He’s bending over backwards, in fact. Whether we acknowledge it or not. And I know, that’ll get me labeled a traitor around here, but I call it as I see it. Alberta matters to the country, and Carney knows it. That’s why he keeps showing up, despite the jeers, the slurs, the complete lack of credit. He’s offering a seat at the table. Whether we take it is on us.

Meanwhile, the broader strategy is clear: diversify trade. Stabilize supply chains. Rebuild trust with international partners. Invest in clean energy. Reinforce defense. Increase domestic resilience. He is not betting Canada’s future on a handshake with Trump. He’s building the fire exits while keeping one eye on the blaze.

That’s not weakness. That’s foresight.

And while some folks are out there complaining that they don’t feel like Carney is winning, maybe ask yourself what winning even looks like in this moment. Because this is not a battle of personalities. It’s a moment of national survival. It’s about minimizing the damage and maximizing our options in a world where no one’s playing fair.

We are in a hinge moment, just like Prime MInister Carney said. And hinge moments are not about big, flashy victories. They’re about doing the hard work to keep the damn door from falling off.

So yes, I support him. Because I watched him walk into this job with no illusions, no ego, and no false promises. I saw him name the truth that too many politicians still won’t touch: the world we relied on is gone.

So now, we build something better, or at least, something more resilient. If you're still waiting for the moment when Mark Carney proves he's in control of Trump, I’ve got bad news: no one will be. But if you’re looking for the person most likely to protect Canada from what’s coming next? He’s already in the chair. And if that makes me a Carney apologist? Well then so be it. I know this waiting for an outcome is difficult, but unfortunately, as long as Trump is in office, uncertainty isn’t just part of the equation. It is the equation.

Edited July 11, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

No it’s just Trump being Trump: unreasonable, irrational and erratic.

I doubt that very much. The evidence says otherwise

But appears to be the case is that the Canadian and American talks hit a point where America really wants something in Canada isn't willing to budge and trump thinks he can bully his way through

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s not a coincidence thisnis happening after his “Big beautiful bill” jacked up the deficit again. He is cash poor and looking for federal revenue or personal bribes  

That part is probably also true.  Two things can be true at once  

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Also: the White House has just said the new tariff only applies to the non-CUSMA compliant trade which is already tariffed at 25%

still not helping and if he doesn't get what he wants safe bet it goes higher 

Right now his people will be telling carney that if they do the deal the way they want the tariffs go down to 10%, but otherwise they're going to stay up at 30% and next week they go up to 40.

The deadline is fast approaching and trump knows that carney will take a hit he doesn't deliver so he's pushing him for all he's worth. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm curious of the practical negotiating experience you've acquired through your career.

No you're not. You're hoping I will say something that you can twist or turn to suggest that it's reasonable to dismiss what I'm saying without actually having to put forward a logical or reasonable argument that would explain why I was wrong.

Sorry kid. You don't have to have a lot of experience with negotiating to see THAT coming   

I am experienced, but hey don't take my word for it. Here's someone who has a ton of experience and was well respected for his ability to negotiate exactly this kind of thing:

Carney a 'bootlicker' for Trump's demands. Just ask Lloyd Axworthy. | Toronto Sun

[herbie]

The Blob ran on "Biden's Inflation" and now says in the end there will be at least a 10% tariff on all imported goods.
So IF only half what consumers buy is imported, that would add 5% to their costs. Way above acceptable targets. 
He's also expecting "they" will start producing things in the USA, without talking to "them" and despite his claim of being a great businessman, that they will all comply rather than doing the most cost effective thing and pass the tariff costs on.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No you're not. You're hoping I will say something that you can twist or turn to suggest that it's reasonable to dismiss what I'm saying without actually having to put forward a logical or reasonable argument that would explain why I was wrong.

Sorry kid. You don't have to have a lot of experience with negotiating to see THAT coming   

I am experienced, but hey don't take my word for it. Here's someone who has a ton of experience and was well respected for his ability to negotiate exactly this kind of thing:

Carney a 'bootlicker' for Trump's demands. Just ask Lloyd Axworthy. | Toronto Sun

No, you have no experience in negotiating as your non-stop comments suggest.  It's simple for you....  you want to see Carney fail in whichever way that would look like so your guy can possibly be relevant again.  We're heading in the right direction with the US and rest of the world so sit back and enjoy, or sulk if you prefer.

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

the world we relied on is gone.

Not it’s not. We’re right here south of the border. Annexation is where you are headed. It will begin with Alberta. It’s not even a question of if but when. At that juncture it’ll be me and my fellow American on whether or not we want to let the rest of Canada join statehood. Your system is terminal, your days of anti American sentiment is coming to an end and there is no option in the matter. Trump is simply helping you take the plunge that much quicker. 

[Aristides]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Not it’s not. We’re right here south of the border. Annexation is where you are headed. It will begin with Alberta. It’s not even a question of if but when. At that juncture it’ll be me and my fellow American on whether or not we want to let the rest of Canada join statehood. Your system is terminal, your days of anti American sentiment is coming to an end and there is no option in the matter. Trump is simply helping you take the plunge that much quicker. 

What arrogant pricks like you don't understand is these tactics aren't cowering Canadians, they are pissing them off.  We don't give a rat's ass what you and your fellow Americans want and the more you persist, the more pissed we get. 

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

the more pissed we get.

You can be pissed and poor. Pisss poor is the technical term. Your industry is not competitive globallly, you're in demographic decline with an aging population of retiree siphoning off tax revenue from younger more propserous provinces like Alberta. You think they aren't eying secession? They are and it doesn't take a genius to do some basic math where Canada as a nation is no longer justifiable. If the goal was to be intergrated with America over the long run, then why are you resisting Trump? That's your pride talking. 

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So now, we build something better, or at least, something more resilient. If you're still waiting for the moment when Mark Carney proves he's in control of Trump, I’ve got bad news: no one will be. But if you’re looking for the person most likely to protect Canada from what’s coming next? He’s already in the chair. And if that makes me a Carney apologist? Well then so be it. I know this waiting for an outcome is difficult, but unfortunately, as long as Trump is in office, uncertainty isn’t just part of the equation. It is the equation.

You can't ride this out. Democrats are also populist so even with a new president you won't see an improvement in bilateral relations. America is done with globalism. There is no option but to go South of your border. 

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You can be pissed and poor. Pisss poor is the technical term. Your industry is not competitive globallly, you're in demographic decline with an aging population of retiree siphoning off tax revenue from younger more propserous provinces like Alberta. You think they aren't eying secession? They are and it doesn't take a genius to do some basic math where Canada as a nation is no longer justifiable. If the goal was to be intergrated with America over the long run, then why are you resisting Trump? That's your pride talking. 

Your birth rate is also below replacement level. Your social security system is nearing insolvency. Our CPP is a real pension plan where employee contributions are invested like other pension plans and doing rather well like most independent plans these day. Your federal debt to GDP is 120%, ours is 69%. and Trump wants to add another 3 trillion. Only an id*ot would want to join the shit show you have going on. Fortunately they are a small minority of Canadians.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Aristides