Donnie strikes three Iranian nuclear sites

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, User said:

This is not some video game, like the United States is just one blob on a map. 

Oil refining capacity is strategically located based on where the supply is as well as geared to refine certain types of oil at those locations. 

There is no magic off/on switch or magic pipeline delivery system to instantly get all oil we produce to any refinery and for that refinery to then process it. 

If it were so simple... we wouldn't be importing any oil right now. 

 

It’s actually much simpler than that. Refineries are located near the ocean for shipping purposes. It’s cheaper to move bulk item by ship than any other means of transport. 

[User]

Just now, paxamericana said:

It’s actually much simpler than that. Refineries are located near the ocean for shipping purposes. It’s cheaper to move bulk item by ship than any other means of transport. 

No, it is not much simpler than that. 

You coninuing to assert this while ignoring everything explained to you doesn't make it simpler. 
 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Canadians aren't able to refine their own crude much less blow a gasket. Regardless of your opinion, the US does and produces it's own refined oil product making it one of the cheapest location in the world for unsubsidzied electricity. You may not like it but this is what Energy Independence looks like. The Middle East just does not matter to the United States all that much. Nuclear winter or otherwise. 

Uhhh... we actually have 16 major refineries.  

And no, canada is far cheaper for electricity. That's why we sell so much to you. 

And as noted the US is not energy independent at all, you bring in millions of barrels of oil a day and you buy a very sizable portion of your electricity from Canada through quebec, the atlantics and bc.  (all clean hydro power btw  ) 

Do you remember what we talked about as far as what it means when you have to lie to make your point?  

The US is a very power hungry place. It certainly fair to say it's moved closer to energy independence in recent years but you are a long way short of being energy independent.

In fairness the only reason that Canada is energy independent for the most part is because we have absolutely vast amounts of hydropower compared to almost anywhere else in the world and we do have significant amounts of our own oil. And even so we still in port oil so while we are theoretically energy independent the reality is we're not there either. And the united states isn't anywhere near as close as we are

[paxamericana]

40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The US is a very power hungry place. It certainly fair to say it's moved closer to energy independence in recent years but you are a long way short of being energy independent.

I should be specific. Texas has the cheapest unsubsidized electricity in the world due to the limitless natural gas supply. The rest of the US will vary based on population centers and usage demand.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I should be specific. Texas has the cheapest unsubsidized electricity in the world due to the limitless natural gas supply. The rest of the US will vary based on population centers and usage demand.

Currently the price for power in texas averages 15.2 cents us per kwh.  In bc it's 11.3 canadian.  In quebec it's 7.59. 

Neither of those rates or subsidized.  

In fairness there are significant differences between Texas and British Columbia for example, the primary being we have insane levels of hydroelectric power available to us which is one of the cheaper forms of power and our population is much smaller.

But I do believe that puts question to your claim. I haven't checked with other countries but I am sure at the very least the Texas is not cheaper than many of the Canadian jurisdictions. In fact the canadian average for all areas is 19.2 per kwh canadian, which would be 13.97 us, pretty comparable to texas. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Which require government subsidies.

In the United States, new Treasury Department figures show that subsidies for wind and solar dwarf all other energy-related provisions in the tax code, costing $31.4 billion in 2024, and are expected to cost taxpayers $421 billion more between 2025 and 2034 based on the subsidies in the Biden-Harris climate bill, the Inflation Reduction Act. The 10-year cost of federal tax expenditures for wind and solar has increased 21-fold since 2015. Federal tax expenditures for the investment tax credit (ITC) and production tax credit (PTC), which are the primary drivers behind the deployment of wind and solar energy, are, by far, the most expensive energy-related provisions in the federal tax code. Between 2025 and 2034, the ITC and PTC will account for more than half of all energy-related tax provisions. That total does not include the tax credits for electric vehicles, which amounted to $14 billion in 2024 and are expected to cost $105.7 billion between 2025 and 2034. 

So much more expensive.

Porky Pie.

Too bad you're completely IGNORANT of all the Federal subsidies given to fossil fuel production companies, TROLLY PIE.

And you're talking about HARDWARE installation subsidies NOT operational costs of PRODUCTION.

[User]

46 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Too bad you're completely IGNORANT of all the Federal subsidies given to fossil fuel production companies, TROLLY PIE.

And you're talking about HARDWARE installation subsidies NOT operational costs of PRODUCTION.

Can you even read?

"In the United States, new Treasury Department figures show that subsidies for wind and solar dwarf all other energy-related provisions in the tax code"

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Too bad you're completely IGNORANT of all the Federal subsidies given to fossil fuel production companies, TROLLY PIE.

And you're talking about HARDWARE installation subsidies NOT operational costs of PRODUCTION.

We need subsidies....

Why.....

Well haven't you noticed it goes dark at night and the wind doesn't always blow.

[robosmith]

33 minutes ago, Legato said:

We need subsidies....

Why.....

Well haven't you noticed it goes dark at night and the wind doesn't always blow.

That's why we have a variety of energy storage systems

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

That's why we have a variety of energy storage systems

Which are?

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

Which are?

Numerous batteries like 13KWhr Powerwall 3, and other tech like pumping water up which turns turbines coming down.

The possibilities are endless.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Numerous batteries like 13KWhr Powerwall 3, and other tech like pumping water up which turns turbines coming down.

The possibilities are endless.

Yup $18k for one battery? You said cheaper than fossil fuels.

The round-trip efficiency of PSH varies between 70% and 80%. Although the losses of the pumping process make the plant a net consumer of energy overall, the system increases revenue by selling more electricity during periods of peak demand, when electricity prices are highest. If the upper lake collects significant rainfall, or is fed by a river, then the plant may be a net energy producer in the manner of a traditional hydroelectric plant.

Next

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yup $18k for one battery? You said cheaper than fossil fuels.

Nope. Under $10k

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

The round-trip efficiency of PSH varies between 70% and 80%. Although the losses of the pumping process make the plant a net consumer of energy overall, the system increases revenue by selling more electricity during periods of peak demand, when electricity prices are highest. If the upper lake collects significant rainfall, or is fed by a river, then the plant may be a net energy producer in the manner of a traditional hydroelectric plant.

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I said nothing about "lake." The pumping is storing renewable power which is virtually free from sun and/or wind so efficiency is not an issue. Are you really that dumb?

[gatomontes99]

And now:

 

Cease fire, and end of war. Zero American casualties and nuclear holocaust is avoided. 

So liberals want Trump impeached. Unbelievable. 

Edited June 24, 2025 by gatomontes99

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And now:

 

Case fire, and end of war. Zero American casualties and nuclear holocaust is avoided. 

So liberals want Trump impeached. Unbelievable. 

I have to admit, on face value at this moment this appears to have been very well played by trump.

I certainly don't hate him the way that most of the lefties here do and I frequently acknowledge that some of the things he does are decent or at least competent while others I'm less impressed with.  I certainly don't buy into his cult of genius concept. 

But this is some seriously next level shit. In a very short time he took out Iran's nuclear program, ended a conflict between Iran and israel, has probably crippled Iran's ability to support his proxies and put them on notice that bad behavior will be punished which keeps their heads down, sent a message to bad guys around the world that you cannot expect that trump will sit idly by, wave the flag and got a little patriotism going, and showed by their lack of reaction that Russia and China are currently not relevant in that part of the world and are being a little meek.

Like, that's a hell of a lot to achieve during the course of a presidency, never mind in a weekend. 

You'll have to see how the dust settles but honestly I am genuinely hyper impressed.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Under $10k

I said nothing about "lake." The pumping is storing renewable power which is virtually free from sun and/or wind so efficiency is not an issue. Are you really that dumb?

Pumping from where to where? Sun and wind were never mentioned.

Lots more Porky Pie.

 

[West]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-announces-historic-iran-israel-ceasefire-agreement-end-12-day-war

Looks like the war is over. Donnie for the win

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-announces-historic-iran-israel-ceasefire-agreement-end-12-day-war

Looks like the war is over. Donnie for the win

I hope so, some outlets are reporting that the iranians have said there ISN'T a deal but these things can always be a little confusing as they're breaking 

 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Legato said:

Pumping from where to where? Sun and wind were never mentioned.

Lots more Porky Pie.

So you really are that dumb. The subject as you  put it, was dark and wind not blowing.

You know, like batteries storing that power when its available for use when it's not. Duh.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-announces-historic-iran-israel-ceasefire-agreement-end-12-day-war

Looks like the war is over. Donnie for the win

Looks like you're still trusting pathological LIAR Trump and FOS LIES.

There's no ceasefire until Netanyahu AGREES. Duh

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

There's no ceasefire until Netanyahu AGREES. Duh

Normally I wouldn't bother responding to sweeping assertions that end with "duh" but I happened to be reading this at about the same time as the "duh drop." I looks like Iran is actually the hold out which isn't terribly surprising IMO.

Even if / when Iran does agree, I'm just cynical enough to believe it won't last long enough for the ink to dry...  they haven't completely gassed out yet and they are nothing if not predictable. When it happens, and I bet it does, I'd lock in that rear naked choke until they go limp.   

But that's just me

Netanyahu says Israel has agreed to Trump's proposal for ceasefire with Iran

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-israel-has-agreed-trumps-proposal-ceasefire-with-iran-2025-06-24/

Edited June 24, 2025 by Venandi

[Aristides]

18 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I should be specific. Texas has the cheapest unsubsidized electricity in the world due to the limitless natural gas supply. The rest of the US will vary based on population centers and usage demand.

And as we found out in 2021, one of the worst grids. The reason you import most of your aluminum from Canada is because you don’t have the massive amount of cheap power required to produce it economically.

[Legato]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you really are that dumb. The subject as you  put it, was dark and wind not blowing.

You know, like batteries storing that power when its available for use when it's not. Duh.

Expensive batteries and your seemingly non-existent pumping stations which would be net energy users and therefore not viable as cheap energy sources..

........and........

Your original assertion that renewable energy was cheaper than fossil fuels. Which again it is not without subsidies.

Do try to keep up with your Porky Pies.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Looks like you're still trusting pathological LIAR Trump and FOS LIES.

There's no ceasefire until Netanyahu AGREES. Duh

And...he did agree.

Once again and as pretty much always...

You are wrong. 

[gatomontes99]

This morning was a little hairy  but I think it's settling down. Iran shot a missile at Israel after the cease fire. Israel was going to retaliate (and kind of did by taking out a radar site) but turned around after talking to POTUS. Let us hope this stands.