Premiers want to make Canada economic powerhouse except B.C. & Quebec withholding approval of pipeline

[blackbird]

The Premiers and PM are meeting today to try to reach agreement on making Canada an economic powerhouse in the face of Trump's tariffs.  Canadians want to see Canada diversify and find other markets in the world.  I think most Premiers and Canadians who understand how important this is do support an energy corridor across Canada meaning a pipeline to both the east coast and one to the west coast ports of Prince Rupert or Kitimat.  That is the key to exporting our oil to Asia.  Unfortunately Premier Eby has chosen to be non-committal on a pipeline to the BC north coast.  Premier Eby has appointed the deputy Premier of BC, Nikki Sharma, to attend the Premiers meeting in his place today, June 2nd, and when she was asked about the proposed pipeline, she also was non-committal. This seems to indicate the BC NDP is going to stick to its old ideology of opposing the energy industry, opposing a pipeline to get Canada's energy resources to international markets.  The BC NDP has a history of opposing the expansion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline, even though they lost in the courts.  BC NDP is putting ideology ahead of making Canada an energy superpower.  They are more of a hindrance to national unity and making Canada an economic superpower.

Unfortunately the Premiers of BC and Quebec will not even give their tentative approval to a pipeline.

Canadian energy: Tariff threat spurs Canada to rethink limits on oil pipelines

Edited Monday at 11:06 PM by blackbird

[herbie]

There ARE pipelines all over BC liar. Alberta can already triple oil exports through TMX. No one's opposing connecting to or expanding existing LNG pipes.
We rejected Northern Gateway oil, get over it. BC is not obligated to risk the Inside Passage for zero benefit out of 'obligation to' or demands from Danielle Smith and the oil companies.
So f^ck off with your BS claims that either you or I would gain anything and maybe demand that Danielle STFU and get to negotiating other routes. The people say, not the oil barons.

Edited Monday at 07:31 PM by herbie

[TreeBeard]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is the key to exporting our oil to Asia.

Oil exports out of Vancouver increased 500% after the federal government bought Alberta a pipeline.  
 

Where do you think this oil goes?

[blackbird]

Alberta says they have the capacity to double their oil production and sales.  That means they could potentially bring in tens of billions of dollars more for Alberta and Canada.  Instead of shipping 90% of their oil to the U.S., Alberta could be shipping twice as much oil to Asian countries through B.C.   The Trans Mountain pipeline is running at near capacity now.  So if Alberta and Canada want to double production and sales to Asia, we definitely need another pipeline, such as the Northern Gateway pipeline.  Alberta is pushing for it and it is hard to say what PM Carney will do about it.  The federal government does have the power to get it built even if B.C. opposes it.  They did it with the TMX expansion in spite of the opposition from the B.C. NDP government.  The best port would be Kitimat or Prince Rupert on the B.C. north coast.  Ottawa would have to revoke the tanker ban on the B.C. north coast, which is relatively easy to do.  This would create jobs for thousands of people in the construction and bring in billions of dollars in revenue for the country.

Edited Tuesday at 01:59 AM by blackbird

[herbie]

On 6/2/2025 at 12:58 PM, TreeBeard said:

Oil exports out of Vancouver increased 500% after the federal government bought Alberta a pipeline.

and they could increase another 33% just by dredging the harbour.

 

On 6/2/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said:

The best port would be Kitimat or Prince Rupert on the B.C. north coast

We already said no to that. What part of NO is so hard for you to understand?
You seem to wish the govt could just order it so, but the rest of us want to keep a democracy where WE tell the GOVT what to do, not vice versa.

[August1991]

Reduce CO2 emissions?

Quebec should sell its electricity to Massachusetts - rather than waste the kilowatts at home for heating.  

[eyeball]

On 6/2/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said:

Alberta says they have the capacity to double their oil production and sale.

So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested.

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested.

 

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested.

The reason pipeline construction companies are not anxious to build in Canada because of the all the hurdles that make it almost impossible to build.  There are so many roadblocks including the application process, studies, hearings, dealing with all the opposition groups such as environmentalists, and FN groups.  Some provinces like Quebec and B.C. oppose pipelines and fight against them.  The federal regulations, decarbonization regulations, caps, and carbon taxes also discourage companies from doing anything.  If the federal government does not change the regulations and get rid of C69 and the tanker ban, there may be no new pipeline to the B.C. coast. 

Canada lost tens of billions of dollars in revenue and taxes under Trudeau's ban on pipelines.  Not sure if Carney will change anything.

Edited 3 hours ago by blackbird

[Army Guy]

On 6/2/2025 at 4:30 PM, herbie said:

There ARE pipelines all over BC liar. Alberta can already triple oil exports through TMX. No one's opposing connecting to or expanding existing LNG pipes.
We rejected Northern Gateway oil, get over it. BC is not obligated to risk the Inside Passage for zero benefit out of 'obligation to' or demands from Danielle Smith and the oil companies.
So f^ck off with your BS claims that either you or I would gain anything and maybe demand that Danielle STFU and get to negotiating other routes. The people say, not the oil barons.

I thought these projects were to make CANADA a world class energy giant....BC submitted its projects and Alberta summitted theirs, why should one province veto one without consequences...Just a question how much natural gas does BC make ? hard to build a natural gas pipeline if you don't have any natural gas...Alberta could drive that natural gas east, to Quebec and the Atlantic provinces....Alberta does not care if we sell it to Europe or asia...BC on the other hand losses out on federal moneys and good paying jobs...But hey this is all about BC....F*ck Canada...

So before you start giving anyone the finger, you should read the room...allowing Alberta to sell more fossil fuels globally makes all of us a little richer....

[Aristides]

I'm pro pipeline and was pro TMX  but have a problem with Northern Gateway. The sea route is down a long narrow winding fjord and lack of accessibility to the mountain route would make cleaning up a spill in winter next to impossible.

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I thought these projects were to make CANADA a world class energy giant....BC submitted its projects and Alberta summitted theirs, why should one province veto one without consequences...Just a question how much natural gas does BC make ? hard to build a natural gas pipeline if you don't have any natural gas...Alberta could drive that natural gas east, to Quebec and the Atlantic provinces....Alberta does not care if we sell it to Europe or asia...BC on the other hand losses out on federal moneys and good paying jobs...But hey this is all about BC....F*ck Canada...

So before you start giving anyone the finger, you should read the room...allowing Alberta to sell more fossil fuels globally makes all of us a little richer....

BC natural gas reserves are estimated at over 600 trillion cubic feet. BC has several gas pipeline and a new one is under construction to a new LNG plant near Kitimat.

[Zeitgeist]

Without Alberta, Quebec culture will no longer be propped up in North America, because the transfer payments to Quebec from oil and gas sales will evaporate.  BC will simply become a de facto retirement province of China, with most of the province off limits to non-Indigenous.  

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[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Without Alberta, Quebec culture will no longer be propped up in North America, because the transfer payments to Quebec from oil and gas sales will evaporate.  BC will simply become a de facto retirement province of China.

And Alberta will become a US state. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

And Alberta will become a US state. 

And then the prosperous provinces will either follow suit or be independent jurisdictions surrounded by a self-interested U.S.

The U.S. shouldn’t think this is in their interests to make or let Canada unravel, because managing these economic and cultural regions and groups is very hard and expensive.  It’s not worth it.  Let Ottawa run it, but if Ottawa fails to keep this country strong and united…

[Aristides]

Is that what Alberta wants because I don't see a realistic alternative.

[Army Guy]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

BC natural gas reserves are estimated at over 600 trillion cubic feet. BC has several gas pipeline and a new one is under construction to a new LNG plant near Kitimat.

So why would BC tell Alberta to screw off with another pipeline if these projects were designed to get our energy to market, to make "Canada" an energy superpower. And if BC can veto any other provinces projects what is stopping other provinces from do the same....sounds like this energy corridor is a liberal pipe dream, when really it is every province for themselves...

The only way this is going to work is with total cooperation across the board....that includes BC...like i said i'm sure Alberta would be fine with a pipeline running to Quebec and atlantic Canada....leaving BC with their own natural gas resources to manage...maybe the feds should be looking at provinces to invest in that do want to cooperate...

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With the uncertainty surrounding Canada-U.S. trade relations, the federal government has recently invested new money in developing B.C.'s LNG industry, with Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson saying "the need to build a resilient economy with new export opportunities for Canadian energy suppliers has never been clearer."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/lng-canada-first-ship-1.7501046

OK so you have natural gas, how much of that was funded by federal tax dollars ? i ask be

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Is that what Alberta wants because I don't see a realistic alternative.

Alberta’s interests would be overwhelmed by the interests of a U.S. federal government and other states if it joined the U.S.   That’s the problem in general for any part of Canada joining the U.S.   it’s not an equal partnership. The biggest losses would be cultural, but Canada has to get real about prosperity fast or cultural considerations will be the least of our worries.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Zeitgeist