Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Hey, I am all for making Canada better even if, for the past 10 years the conservatives have done nothing to help.

They were the opposition, it was the Libs who had the power to make the country better and they just made it worse, year by year.

As of this moment, 2015 was the pinnacle of Canada's existence. If we could magically transform Canada back to its 2015 levels that would be true progress in every way.

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Hopefully with PP in the cheap seats, Canada will grow and not stagnate under conservative whining.

I couldn't even imagine a more partisan and senseless comment. You're gonna have herbie rooting through your garbage soon if you're not careful.

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Oh and I am far from a "sycophant loser"

Just read the first half of your post, sycophant loser. It's like you were trying to win the world championships again.

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I don't use insincere flattery and adulation, I mean everything I have ever called you and confux

And it's a compliment when you say that you don't like us, so keep it comin'. 

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I am fully self aware...Liberal won and you lost....

Holy crap, that's got nothing to do with "self-awareness", fool.

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now, that is awareness.

No, I just told you that it wasn't, and my left nut is smarter than your entire family.

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Something you cannot come to grips with LOL

LOSER!!

It's Canada that lost, jackass. 

Carney told so many lies during his brief pre-election bloviation that he made Trudeau look like Honest Abe, and then we found out that the retaliatory tariffs that he bragged about during the debates were already taken off, as per Trump's orders from the night before. 

Not only is Carney a liar, he's Trump's lapdog, and you're Carney's lapdog. 

How does it feel to play the toady to Trump's toady?

 Canada, 2025:

Thanks, CBC. 

Edited yesterday at 12:00 AM by WestCanMan

[Barquentine]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We're the lowest in productivity . We've fallen from about number 5 to about number 30 in gdp per capita which determines quality of life. We're experiencing serious stagflation, our debt to gdp ratio is terrible and growing worse rapidly, we're likey to add about 100 billion dollars in debt this year (hard to say with no budget but based on campaign promises and the campaign budget errors we know about it's going to be higher than 80),  youth unemployment is at a multi decade high, and our homes per capita is at the very bottom of the pile and there's no way to fix that in the near future, and Carney's only plan to do so is massive gov't investment into modular home building.... which his company just happens to have a major stake in.

I'm sorry you're such a deeply unhappy man.

[Shady]

13 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

How??? What have they done to make Canada stronger??

What propositions, policies, directions, suggestions have they made?

All parties in power, including Harpers, are to blame for failed policies.

 

 

 

They’ve made a number of proposals, but they don’t have legislative power to implement them.  They advocated for eliminating the consumer carbon tax several years ago.  Liberals ignored.  They’ve advocated for linking immigration to housing and health care.  Liberals ignored.  They e advocated for building pipelines and LNG facilities.  Liberals ignored.  They’ve advocated for a path to a balanced budget.  Liberals ignored.  They’ve advocated for repealing C69 so that Canada can start developing its resources in a faster manner.  Liberals ignored.  You’re still consumed with blaming parties that have had no power to make changes, while absolving those that have.  Your argument lacks any logic and reason.

[Legato]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Lets get together and make Canada better.
Stop being partisan and blaming everyone else. All in parliament can take the blame for what we became.

Harper got the boot for poor leadership and Trudeau carried on with no one able to make a difference. The cons had 4 attempts and blew them all.

 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 ....what needs to happen is cut them off, give them a year to sort out their problems then cut them off force them to school or work...

Sure but now try to imagine this ethos in a world where most human labour just isn't required - where we'd just be in the way of the robots.

You better hope AI is left wing is all I can say.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I'm sorry you're such a deeply unhappy man.

So your position is that only unhappy people speak the truth? Every single thing I said there was verifiably accurate.

I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss and you are living proof   I can't blame you for wishing to be a happy fool. Sadly my IQ, being in the triple digits, does not allow for that 

[Moonlight Graham]

16 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The job of "The Official Opposition's primary role is to scrutinize the government, offer alternative perspectives, and hold the government accountable."

So yes, they can hold accountable but, they should also offer alternative perspectives and positions which is something the conservatives have never done.

I have never blamed the conservatives for the failures of the sitting government, I have only said that they have done nothing to help.

Your response to the OP's question "Why is Canada such a mess?" was (your exact quote) "Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better".  The CPC hasn't had any legislative power for 10 years.  The Liberals, and to a smaller extent the NDP, are largely to blame here when it comes to federal parties.  And the voters who keep voting them back into power.

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure but now try to imagine this ethos in a world where most human labour just isn't required - where we'd just be in the way of the robots.

You better hope AI is left wing is all I can say.

I heard That argument when computers were coming out.

Computers, AI, so on and so forth allow humans to do more with less effort. They do not nor will they ever replace humans. Or at least nothing will that we are currently have on the table or on the drawing board. There's no doubt that some jobs will no longer be relevant but new jobs will be created, just this happened with computers

And ai isn't real intelligence, it's just repeating what it's been exposed to thousands of times. So of COURSE it's left wing  

Edited 19 hours ago by CdnFox

[Moonlight Graham]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

1. Especially when the right wing simply thinks it's wrong to even try.

2. The world is over crowded and over exploited,

3. the gap between haves and have nots is growing and automation and AI are poised to throw millions out of work. And now right wing society want to double down on the moral imperative that it's everyone for themselves and you produce or die.

4.  You people just don't get inevitability do you?

1.  Left-leaning parties have been "trying" for the last 10 years in this country.  What did the Liberals accomplish?  What did the Liberal-NDP alliance accomplish?  Large deficit spending on social programs and taxes on fossil fuels causes inflation (not saying those are the only reasons for recent inflation).  The most left-leaning cities in the country are unaffordable dystopian sh!holes filled with drugs, theft, and gang violence.  Mass immigration has contributed to inflation, healthcare overcrowding, and crime.

2.  Canada has among the lowest birthrates in the world and a low population density.  Countries like India, China etc are far more to blame.  Maybe even the US compared to Canada.

3.  What do you want the Liberals to do differently?  What are your proposed solutions?  It's very easy to say "let's reduce income inequality", but the devil is in the details.  What do you propose specifically?  The rich are already taxed at least 50%+ in this country.  We've raised minimum wages and started new dental/pharma/daycare programs (that aren't being costed and paid for and just added to the debt).  The problems of inequality are far more troublesome in the US.  In Canada our biggest economic problems are housing and rent affordability and the resulting decrease in standard of living because of the % of people's paychecks going to mortgages/rents.  Leftwing politicians have made these issues worse.  The boomers don't want their house prices to go down.

Yet we need a lot of immigration because of plummeting birthrates, which are the direct result of decades of progressives pushing for things like birth control use, abortion, women in the workplace etc. to a radical degree.

I'm not claiming the CPC or GOP have ideal solutions either.  I think all the main parties in Canada and the US are filled with ideological nutjobs.  Centrist politicians with reasonable solutions are an endangered species.

4.  Stop projecting things onto me.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Computers, AI, so on and so forth allow humans to do more with less effort.

One day they'll allow humans to do absolutely nothing and live like royalty.

Unless the sheer gall and moral panic is too much even for an AI.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not claiming the CPC or GOP have ideal solutions either.  I think all the main parties in Canada and the US are filled with ideological nutjobs.  Centrist politicians with reasonable solutions are an endangered species.

Soon we'll have AI to make the busses run on time.

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

They were the opposition, it was the Libs who had the power to make the country better and they just made it worse, year by year.

As of this moment, 2015 was the pinnacle of Canada's existence. If we could magically transform Canada back to its 2015 levels that would be true progress in every way.

I couldn't even imagine a more partisan and senseless comment. You're gonna have herbie rooting through your garbage soon if you're not careful.

Just read the first half of your post, sycophant loser. It's like you were trying to win the world championships again.

And it's a compliment when you say that you don't like us, so keep it comin'. 

Holy crap, that's got nothing to do with "self-awareness", fool.

No, I just told you that it wasn't, and my left nut is smarter than your entire family.

It's Canada that lost, jackass. 

Carney told so many lies during his brief pre-election bloviation that he made Trudeau look like Honest Abe, and then we found out that the retaliatory tariffs that he bragged about during the debates were already taken off, as per Trump's orders from the night before. 

Not only is Carney a liar, he's Trump's lapdog, and you're Carney's lapdog. 

How does it feel to play the toady to Trump's toady?

 Canada, 2025:

 

Thanks, CBC. 

Holy Oh Phuck...you are far and away whacked out.

Speech from the Throne yesterday and what does PP do?? Oh, he regurgitates his election platform...the one that caused his party to lose the election and for him to personally lose his seat.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05/pierre-poilievre-attends-speech-from-the-throne-with-face-pressed-against-senate-window/

If this is how the conservatives are going to act in the future, there should be no surprise Canada will not get better. An opposition that does nothing to help Canada improve will doom Canada to remain a second class country and they will continue to lose elections. Canadians can see LOSERS when they show their faces.

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[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your response to the OP's question "Why is Canada such a mess?" was (your exact quote) "Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better".  The CPC hasn't had any legislative power for 10 years.  The Liberals, and to a smaller extent the NDP, are largely to blame here when it comes to federal parties.  And the voters who keep voting them back into power.

Correct, they have not been in power but, they have not been any help either. They are either part of the solution or part of the problem and since no solutions have been forthcoming, the conservatives are part of the prob;em too.

And yes, the Canadian public sees that and therefore the conservatives have lost the last 4 elections.

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Correct, they have not been in power but, they have not been any help either. They are either part of the solution or part of the problem and since no solutions have been forthcoming, the conservatives are part of the prob;em too.

And yes, the Canadian public sees that and therefore the conservatives have lost the last 4 elections.

What part of the bus drivers have been Liberals do you not understand?

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Legato said:

What part of the bus drivers have been Liberals do you not understand?

What part of the conservatives losing the last 4 elections, as voted by Canadians do you not understand?

Canadians want someone that will help Canada, not hinder it and clearly the conservatives are not part of the solution, according to Canadians.

[Barquentine]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So your position is that only unhappy people speak the truth? Every single thing I said there was verifiably accurate.

I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss and you are living proof   I can't blame you for wishing to be a happy fool. Sadly my IQ, being in the triple digits, does not allow for that

But the first digit of your IQ is a zero.

Of course we have problems, always have , always will, just like every other developed country, At the same time we (western democracies)are the richest, freest  people in the history of the world.

I count my blessings at Thanksgiving. What do you do - hold hands, bow your head and curse the libs? Or thank God for Tiny Trump?

[I am Groot]

On 5/25/2025 at 12:12 PM, eyeball said:

We don't live in a communist dictatorship/police state.

Ironic don't you think?

 Look at Singapore for a better example. Stern laws and sometimes harsh enforcement, but still a democracy with a free press and independent courts.

On 5/25/2025 at 12:32 PM, blackbird said:

Is it not possible to have a good society with law and order without a communist dictatorship?

See Singapore or Japan.

Edited 20 hours ago by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 5/25/2025 at 3:26 PM, blackbird said:

 But why?  It got much worse in Canada I think in the past ten years.  I don't recall housing being so expensive and don't recall tent cities in Canada, all the addicted people and drug deaths, and all the criminals being arrested and immediately released.  I am not sure it is this bad in other western countries.

The Liberals have adopted American social justice policies which have failed miserably there and have failed miserably here. The idea is that all criminals, however violent, are really the victims of society. Especially if they're not white Christians. Anyone else is presumed to be the victim of harsh and brutal racism and oppression and so must be coddled and comforted and excused their criminality as it's not really their fault. This is especially so of Black people because they're incredibly inferior and it's wrong to expect them to act in a civilized manner like white people.*

At the same time they've also adopted climate change policies which have hugely hampered our resource industry while growing government bureaucracy and the regulatory environment, so that it can take years and years to cut through all the red tape to get anything built or started. And even if you succeed, the added costs of following all the regulations, keeping records of everything, and regularly forwarding these to government make things much less profitable.

 

*Yes, I know they don't openly think this and would be appalled at anyone who did but this is, deep down, how they think about Black people. That's why they're so paternalistic towards them with a kind of "There, there, little thing. It's not your fault you poor creature" attitude.

[I am Groot]

On 5/25/2025 at 7:02 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

How can it be the fault of people who have zero governing power the last 10 years.

Granted the CPC could improve the ideas they bring forward so that enough people will vote for them in order to win, but the buck stops with the Liberals.

Hell, the Liberals have adopted many of the ideas the Conservatives brought forward.

On 5/25/2025 at 8:21 PM, Aristides said:

Explain the US then where punishments are quite severe.

The US has the same screwed up revolving door legal system as we do in most places.

[I am Groot]

On 5/26/2025 at 10:39 AM, ExFlyer said:

They could help instead of always complain.  like a great person once said, you are either part of the solution or part of the pavement....and the conservatives have been part of the pavement for the past 10 years. or, if you can, show us one solution?? LOL

Apparently, despite mouthing off about it for years, you don't know anything about how our political system works.

[I am Groot]

On 5/26/2025 at 2:34 PM, ExFlyer said:

Yup, I am.

I blame them because as legislators, they should be trying and helping make Canada stronger and, as you say, since 2015,, the party, and particularly the party leader, has done nothing for Canada except whine.

 

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1. resistance or dissent, expressed in action or argument.

   "there was considerable opposition to the proposal"

On 5/26/2025 at 4:05 PM, herbie said:

That is an absolute statement of undeniable fact. It is not polarized in any wsy or a mere opinion. Neither is calling anyone who refuses to recognize that fact an ingrate.

And I must shamefully admit that in our 20s my cousins and I were dressed down for that same snivelling and negativism by a couple Uncles who emigrated to here in front of a large family gathering.That very fact and You live in the best country in the world and have absolutely no concept of anyplace else, something I remind myself of when I even think I might be falling down the rabbit hole some of you seem to like living in.

"Hey, we're better than that shithole over there! So don't complain just because we keep sliding in the same direction! Be grateful we're not there yet!"

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not claiming the CPC or GOP have ideal solutions either.

The conservatives have many solutions that make far more sense than liberals.

Why do you try to walk with one leg on each side of the fence sometimes?  You could be castrated.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

Especially when the right wing simply thinks it's wrong to even try.

Conservatives believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Not, at least, until you're absolutely sure the 'fix' will work better. The problem with the Left is it implements policies on 'feels', not on data and logic, attacks anyone who disagrees with the policy by pretending they're not only wrong but immoral, and then can't back away from obviously failed policies without admitting that they too are 'immoral'. 

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

The world is over crowded and over exploited, the gap between haves and have nots is growing and automation and AI are poised to throw millions out of work. And now right wing society want to

As far as I can tell, the major 'want' of the 'right' is to stop flooding the country (all Western countries) with unskilled labour, stop flooding the country (all Western countries) with foreigners with hostile cultures and values who will not integrate, get control of crime and disorder in the streets, and cut back on the mass of regulations that burdens industry, especially the natural resources industry. Oh, and stop spending billions on the failed policy of CO2 reduction. Oh, and we'd like to see hiring and promotion based on merit not on identity group membership.

Edited 20 hours ago by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure but now try to imagine this ethos in a world where most human labour just isn't required - where we'd just be in the way of the robots.

You better hope AI is left wing is all I can say.

I just hope it doesn't destroy us all. 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/anthropics-claude-ai-gets-smarter-and-mischievous/

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your response to the OP's question "Why is Canada such a mess?" was (your exact quote) "Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better".  The CPC hasn't had any legislative power for 10 years.  The Liberals, and to a smaller extent the NDP, are largely to blame here when it comes to federal parties.  And the voters who keep voting them back into power.

He's just trolling.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

One day they'll allow humans to do absolutely nothing and live like royalty.

 

Again, we've been hearing that forever when it comes to technology. But the fact is mankind exists to push the limits. Whatever we get them doing, we will want to do more.

For the vast majority of mankind's history about 90% of the people on the planet were involved with agriculture because it took that much effort just to produce enough food to survive. Eventually we started to develop machines that made that much easier and in this day and age it's something like only 20% of people that are involved in agriculture and even that is falling. Machines have replaced the vast majority of our most important task for most of our existence

Yet somehow we're not doing absolutely nothing and living like royalty  

No matter what, technology only allows people to have the time to push the limits and do more.