CTV reporting housing affordability crisis increasing at alarming rate.

[blackbird]

CTV News just announced they will have a special report this evening.  They said the housing affordability problem is worsening at an alarming rate.

This is all on the Liberal government (with NDP backing).  Liberals have been in power for ten years and now have a new mandate.  They are totally responsible for this mess.

What exactly are they doing?  What have they been doing the past year?  Why is the problem getting worse if they have been doing something about it?  Obviously they are not doing anything to seriously solve the problem.

Where was the CTV before the election when Canadians needed to know about this?

Edited May 14 by blackbird

[herbie]

Oh F off with the bullshit. The federal govt does not build houses. Developers mainly do, and if you read headlines the last few days, in Vancouver they're abandoning condos and apartments to build Hotels where the profit margins and rate of return for buyers is the highest.

You want govt to slap up Soviet style blockhouses or 'project' tenements like some cities in the USA? Didn't think so. Or turn farmland into townhouses and build up the sides of Mt Seymour, Grouse and Cypress Bowl?

How about some sensible suggestions they could do rather than whine endlessly about what they didn't do before or listing your own home for an affordable price, say 1/5th it's assessed value? It's a market and Mr Capitalist wants communist solutions?

[cougar]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh F off with the bullshit. The federal govt does not build houses.

But they are the ones importing 1,000,000 new Canadians each year.  You see no connection?

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh F off with the bullshit. The federal govt does not build houses. Developers mainly do, and if you read headlines the last few days, in Vancouver they're abandoning condos and apartments to build Hotels where the profit margins and rate of return for buyers is the highest.

You want govt to slap up Soviet style blockhouses or 'project' tenements like some cities in the USA? Didn't think so. Or turn farmland into townhouses and build up the sides of Mt Seymour, Grouse and Cypress Bowl?

How about some sensible suggestions they could do rather than whine endlessly about what they didn't do before or listing your own home for an affordable price, say 1/5th it's assessed value? It's a market and Mr Capitalist wants communist solutions?

It may not build homes, but it certainly can produce red tape and taxes that jack up these prices...not just at the federal level but all the way down the line...everyone has got their hands out from the banks to lawyers, to Service NB , everyone has got to be paid thousands of dollars....

 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

but it certainly can produce red tape and taxes

and that would fix 5-10% of the problem not 90%

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

This is all on the Liberal government (with NDP backing).  Liberals have been in power for ten years and now have a new mandate.  They are totally responsible for this mess.

we know.   But but but trump you see.....

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What exactly are they doing? 

Importing massive numbers of people in excess of how many homes we build and putting more roadblocks in front of home building 

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What have they been doing the past year? 

Importing massive numbers of people in excess of how many homes we build and putting more roadblocks in front of home building 

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Why is the problem getting worse if they have been doing something about it?  

Because what they're doing about it is Importing massive numbers of people in excess of how many homes we build and putting more roadblocks in front of home building 

 

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Where was the CTV before the election when Canadians needed to know about this?

Counting it's gov't subsidy.

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, herbie said:

and that would fix 5-10% of the problem not 90%

You have no idea how many obstacles there are to housing development, herbie. No idea whatsoever.

I just talked to a builder today who's selling the last house he'll ever make here, he's already established down in California.

And that's not just because of approval times, which are excessive, or the number of things that you can't get approval for, which is a lot if you're at all creative, or overboard environmental concerns and the long approval times there, or the volatility of the housing market and supply costs, which is enough to drive one crazy... (it's an absolute nightmare to get a big project done) it's also got to do with the negative business climate here. Say what you want, but people with big bucks want to be in countries that are less hostile to businesses, projects, and wealthy people in general. 

The politicians on TV who you love, who are constantly saying things like "tax the rich!", and "carbon tax the hell out of big corporations!" are the kinds of people that wealthy people try to avoid. And the problem with that is: wealthy people are each a small economy unto themselves.

Big homes require long build times, elite contractors, lots of yard and home staff. They constantly need maintenance work. Their owners buy expensive cars here, which require expensive mechanics. They start local businesses. Their kids buy cars. They all get their hair done. Get massages. Buy expensive clothes. Eat at expensive restaurants. Get manicures and pedicures. Pay personal trainers a LOT of money. Invite wealthy friends over. They pay massive property taxes, etc, going over the $500k/yr mark. 

For every billionaire you attract to your city, you create several man-years of jobs that are each capable of supporting a family. 

In Canada we push them away and we bring in Gazans. But first and foremost, we scare away energy projects. And energy projects are extremely business-friendly. Oh, and we add carbon taxes to the artificially heightened energy costs. It's a recipe for... Canada 2040, which sucks even more than Canada 2025. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

CTV News just announced they will have a special report this evening.  They said the housing affordability problem is worsening at an alarming rate.

This is all on the Liberal government (with NDP backing).  Liberals have been in power for ten years and now have a new mandate.  They are totally responsible for this mess.

What exactly are they doing?  What have they been doing the past year?  Why is the problem getting worse if they have been doing something about it?  Obviously they are not doing anything to seriously solve the problem.

Where was the CTV before the election when Canadians needed to know about this?

It is massive immigration that is causing the housing crisis here in Canada. We cannot keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants refugees every year and not end up with a housing crisis. It is the lieberal party that has caused the housing crisis. And with the lieberals back in power, it will only get worse. Anyone should know that it is the governments that make it hard to build homes with all of the rules and regulations and permits required to build a home. It takes plenty of paperwork to build a house in Canada. 

CTV would never dare say anything about our immigration problem that is causing all of our housing problems. The bought off and controlled owners of CTV, Global and the CBC will never tell us anything. They lie. They all have become useless to we the sheeple. 

To be honest here, i do not think that the lieberals have any real intentions of trying to solve the housing crisis. The WEF globalist Corney lieberals do not want people to own a home. They just want us to own nothing and be happy and the lieberals will be working on that in the next four years. Just my opinion. 

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, taxme said:

It is massive immigration that is causing the housing crisis here in Canada. We cannot keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants refugees every year and not end up with a housing crisis. 

Well we can if we build enough homes. We can bring in as many immigrants as we want provided we are building enough homes, adding enough medical capacity, so on and so forth to account for them

But we're not and the liberals are perfectly aware of this and doing it anyway

[Army Guy]

On 5/14/2025 at 8:05 PM, herbie said:

and that would fix 5-10% of the problem not 90%

SO says you....all the taxes account for more than that.

[taxme]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well we can if we build enough homes. We can bring in as many immigrants as we want provided we are building enough homes, adding enough medical capacity, so on and so forth to account for them

But we're not and the liberals are perfectly aware of this and doing it anyway

We do not need the hundreds of thousands of new immigrants and refugees every year. Canada is full and adding more thousands every year is going to cause all kinds of problems. I do believe that all of this massive amounts of immigrants coming to Canada is part of some kind of nefarious agenda. No country should be bringing in massive amounts of immigrants and refugees. Just my opinion. 

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

We do not need the hundreds of thousands of new immigrants and refugees every year.

Quite true.  But the elite globalists liberals believe in tearing down borders and creating a one world system where everyone can move and live wherever they wish.  If you read between the lines of the U.N. social development goals, you can conclude that they wish to create that kind of world.  They believe the way to end world poverty and solve all the world's problems is to just have one world government and redistribute the wealth to everyone.  This of course would make everyone equal in poverty.  Such a system is completely flawed and against human nature.  Such a system does not respect individual initiative, work, or private property.  Nobody would want to work for one thing.  Why work if the system is going to give you everything?  That's the flaw with Socialism and Communism and the U.N. thinking.  But they want everyone to bow to them as the great benefactors and caretakers of humanity.

[taxme]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Quite true.  But the elite globalists liberals believe in tearing down borders and creating a one world system where everyone can move and live wherever they wish.  If you read between the lines of the U.N. social development goals, you can conclude that they wish to create that kind of world.  They believe the way to end world poverty and solve all the world's problems is to just have one world government and redistribute the wealth to everyone.  This of course would make everyone equal in poverty.  Such a system is completely flawed and against human nature.  Such a system does not respect individual initiative, work, or private property.  Nobody would want to work for one thing.  Why work if the system is going to give you everything?  That's the flaw with Socialism and Communism and the U.N. thinking.  But they want everyone to bow to them as the great benefactors and caretakers of humanity.

Communism was supposed to treat everyone equally but that did not work. There are the elite communists who get to have everything and then there are the poor class of people who get to never own anything. This what the lieberal communists are all about. 

I just heard this morning that Canada is the biggest exporter of coal to China. But i thought that we are supposed to be fighting a climate crisis? I guess not seeing that Canada is supplying coal to China by the thousands of tons every year to fill the air with more climate crisis pollution.

And guess who has a hand in the coal shipments to China and is making plenty of moola? Well-well, if it isn't Mr. Brookfield himself, Corney. Corney gives a crap about the climate crisis as much as i would like to have worms for my lunch today. 

Liberalism equals lies and bull chit. 👎

[herbie]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Quite true.  But the elite globalists liberals believe in tearing down borders and creating a one world system

And ZERO immigrants are on any forums griping about housing just disgruntled bigots blaming them for housing costs. As if the same immigrant that you claim is stealing jobs at KFC came with $2,000,000 to buy up the homes in Vancouver.
Same complainers that know well their own home, or the home of anyone they ever met was built by the govt or an elite globalist liberal. Yet convince themselves otherwise.

Canada is not f*cking "full", the Lower Mainland and GTA are. Canada is f*cking empty and until dimwits open their eyes and encourage business and infrastructure outside those areas rather than just spout resource extraction and short term ATCO trailer camps elsewhere as a solution there won't be a miracle cure.

Edited Friday at 07:23 PM by herbie

[blackbird]

Cities do not have affordable housing now, so we shouldn't be taking any more immigrants until the problem is solved.   The situation is dire.  Young families will never own a home because the cost is out of sight.  Some cities would take an income of $155,000 per year to be able to even have a chance to save enough for a down payment.  That eliminates most middle income people.  Even higher than average income is still far short of what is needed.

Edited Saturday at 03:37 AM by blackbird

[Legato]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

And ZERO immigrants are on any forums griping about housing just disgruntled bigots blaming them for housing costs. As if the same immigrant that you claim is stealing jobs at KFC came with $2,000,000 to buy up the homes in Vancouver.
Same complainers that know well their own home, or the home of anyone they ever met was built by the govt or an elite globalist liberal. Yet convince themselves otherwise.

Canada is not f*cking "full", the Lower Mainland and GTA are. Canada is f*cking empty and until dimwits open their eyes and encourage business and infrastructure outside those areas rather than just spout resource extraction and short term ATCO trailer camps elsewhere as a solution there won't be a miracle cure.

Seems like simple math is not your forte.

Try knit one purl two.

[herbie]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Seems like simple math is not your forte.

Actually I majored in math in the days before someone pulled numbers out their ass, told you and you were too stupid and lazy to figure it out.

[Barquentine]

On 5/14/2025 at 9:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

Big homes require long build times, elite contractors, lots of yard and home staff. They constantly need maintenance work. Their owners buy expensive cars here, which require expensive mechanics. They start local businesses. Their kids buy cars. They all get their hair done. Get massages. Buy expensive clothes. Eat at expensive restaurants. Get manicures and pedicures. Pay personal trainers a LOT of money. Invite wealthy friends over. They pay massive property taxes, etc, going over the $500k/yr mark. 

And that lowers house prices how?

[Legato]

Just now, herbie said:

Actually I majored in math in the days before someone pulled numbers out their ass, told you and you were too stupid and lazy to figure it out.

Was that a Drum major, you do make a lot of unwanted noise.

As with any commodity, demand has a direct influence on price. More  people than available homes drives up the cost. No math needed.

[Barquentine]

On 5/15/2025 at 3:56 PM, CdnFox said:

Well we can if we build enough homes. We can bring in as many immigrants as we want provided we are building enough homes, adding enough medical capacity

We will always be playing catch-up with housing and medicine. We aren't going to lower immigration to zero, or bring in a one family, one child law. But I think we are at the beginning of mitigating the housing problem. Going to take a few years.

[taxme]

On 5/14/2025 at 5:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

You have no idea how many obstacles there are to housing development, herbie. No idea whatsoever.

I just talked to a builder today who's selling the last house he'll ever make here, he's already established down in California.

And that's not just because of approval times, which are excessive, or the number of things that you can't get approval for, which is a lot if you're at all creative, or overboard environmental concerns and the long approval times there, or the volatility of the housing market and supply costs, which is enough to drive one crazy... (it's an absolute nightmare to get a big project done) it's also got to do with the negative business climate here. Say what you want, but people with big bucks want to be in countries that are less hostile to businesses, projects, and wealthy people in general. 

The politicians on TV who you love, who are constantly saying things like "tax the rich!", and "carbon tax the hell out of big corporations!" are the kinds of people that wealthy people try to avoid. And the problem with that is: wealthy people are each a small economy unto themselves.

Big homes require long build times, elite contractors, lots of yard and home staff. They constantly need maintenance work. Their owners buy expensive cars here, which require expensive mechanics. They start local businesses. Their kids buy cars. They all get their hair done. Get massages. Buy expensive clothes. Eat at expensive restaurants. Get manicures and pedicures. Pay personal trainers a LOT of money. Invite wealthy friends over. They pay massive property taxes, etc, going over the $500k/yr mark. 

For every billionaire you attract to your city, you create several man-years of jobs that are each capable of supporting a family. 

In Canada we push them away and we bring in Gazans. But first and foremost, we scare away energy projects. And energy projects are extremely business-friendly. Oh, and we add carbon taxes to the artificially heightened energy costs. It's a recipe for... Canada 2040, which sucks even more than Canada 2025. 

We are living in a pretty much communist country where it can take months or even years to get permits to get things  done here in Canada. The amount of rules and regulations and taxes pretty much makes it almost impossible to try and get anything going here in Canada. With the Indians and the environmentalists, the NDP socialists and the leftist lieberals, all four would prefer to get in the way instead of out of the way. I am amazed that we can still get things done with all of the obstacles put in front of developers.

Canada was once a free enterprise and capitalist country but it ain't no more, pardner. We all now pretty much live in a communist like anti-growth utopia. I am amazed that Canada has not gone bankrupt already. But at the rate that the lieberal government keeps borrowing billions from the banksters, it should not take that much longer. What a country. 

In Canada, refugees come first, Canadians come last. One Syrian family of four can cost the Canadian taxpayer tens of thousands of our tax dollars to keep them fed, clothed and housed with a few bucks for spending money. And that is just one refugee family. Imagine doing the same thing for hundreds of thousands of new immigrants and refugees every year? And then we wonder as to why Canada is pretty much broke. But we have four more years of this chit to put up with thanks to the insane lieberal imbeciles that put in the lieberals once again. Canada is so bloody doomed. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

And that lowers house prices how?

It doesn't.

It's the hostile business climate here that drives rich people away.

Your own PM does everything that he can to keep his money away from the Canadian taxman, right? 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

We do not need the hundreds of thousands of new immigrants and refugees every year. Canada is full and adding more thousands every year is going to cause all kinds of problems. I do believe that all of this massive amounts of immigrants coming to Canada is part of some kind of nefarious agenda. No country should be bringing in massive amounts of immigrants and refugees. Just my opinion. 

One of the lowest population per square foot ratios in the entire universe, we're not full.

And we do need an increasing population. It has a large number of benefits not to mention the least of which is we are not taken all that seriously as a market because we don't have that many people. The reason the US has so much clout on the world stage economically is because they've got 400,000 people that buy goods. We have a tenth of that even though our country is technically larger.

As we expand our market base earning the right to do business with us becomes more and more important to other players and that's valuable. We also increase our own domestic market and it makes it more practical for businesses to start up and manufacture things to sell within Canada because there's more people to buy them.

But while it is an obvious benefit the simple fact of the matter is we don't need to rush to it at light speed. Growing faster than we are capable of is even worse than not growing at all

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

We will always be playing catch-up with housing and medicine.

We didn't for the better part of a century. And we don't need to now. There is a reason or more accurately a series of reasons why our housing always lags behind immigration and when you eliminate those reasons you eliminate the problem

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We aren't going to lower immigration to zero, or bring in a one family, one child law. But I think we are at the beginning of mitigating the housing problem. Going to take a few years.

We have not even come up to the start line. Carney intends to continue with excessively High immigration. He has no plans to tie immigration to the number of houses actually built or anything like that and he's hired the head of the century foundation. So things aren't going to get better in that respect

And his idea is to spend $25 billion dollars creating a manufactured home industry. Well you can't put manufactured homes in the cities where we need more building. And manufactured homes aren't really a very efficient way to increase housing. And he intends to do this by spending $25 billion dollars on this program alone. Guess who's company owns a modular home division that they bought a few years ago?

So he's going to give his own company $25 billion dollars or at least a significant portion of it to set up factories in Canada for free essentially and we still won't resolve the housing issues.

 

Defense can exert a lot of influence over building homes in several different ways, but the one thing that they have absolute control over is the number of immigrants. And it's the one thing that carney is not willing to exercise.

[herbie]

Stepdaughter just got her first house and I saw it ofr the first time yesterday.
It was of what we referred to as late 1950s, early 60s "Jetsons" architecture, like you see on old Twilight Zone reruns.
Carried on about all the 'improvements' they 'needed' to do.

Damn thing's backyard joins a huge park with water park stuff, picnic area and summer Farmers markets. One block to the main intersection, 2 blocks from school and downtown shopping area. Fire Hall and Cop shop four doors away.

$350K, but the millenials aren't happy. The kitchen counter isn't their style, the huge new smart fridge is too big, the basement laminate isn't the right colour. The lawn isn't 100% level. It even has drinking fountains installed above the outdoor taps front and back...

What happened to buy the damn thing and fix it up later as you can afford it?