Now - we heal, unite and pull together.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Again do your own research....

It is the start to one....where do you think Ottawa is going to get the money to give to the western provinces....

Ya right it is...

Do you think Alberta has asked them....they don't care what you think, they are concerned about the western provinces...

Why is it Quebec can make demands about secession and not Alberta....Quebec was not going to secede any borders..and neither is Alberta unless it is beneficial for alberta...The constitution already has a clauses in it for secession... it is not Canada's choice it is any province that wants to leave....what do you think is going to happen if for whatever reason alberta leaves....BC will have choices to make it will be cut off from the ROC....just like the maritimes did when Quebec had their vote...What do you think the US will do if alberta separates....they will offer them citizenship it will be trumps wet dream.....

Alberta has already warned Canada, this is not something they dreamed up yesterday....this has been in the works for some time.....And if Carney does not pay attention, that day will come Alberta separates and the rest will fall like dominoes...

In all honesty I suspect that if Alberta voted to leave the first province to join them would be Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan and Alberta share a very interesting history, in fact originally when they were being pushed to join Canada it was considered making them one big province called buffalo. Then other divisions were considered until eventually the Canadian government have the time decided to make them two provinces. There's a lot of kinship and I think very quickly Saskatchewan would vote to go with alberta

I think at THAT point  bC would have a very serious discussion with itself. And I think most likely it would look at separating as well. It would not be excited about being separated from the rest of Canada, and it would be even less excited about the idea that now it had no political power. At least when the other western provinces were there as a block the west had a reasonable amount of horsepower but with two of those provinces missing bC would matter the least out of all the areas in Canada to the federal government. It would make a lot more sense to consider going it with the other western provinces

I don't know what Manitoba would do. To be honest that would really round things out, if the four western provinces were their own country they would be very powerful.In Manitoba would open up hudson's bay which thanks to global warming means you could ship materials to Eastern markets from there instead of the east coast.

But Alberta Saskatchewan and British Columbia could certainly make a go of it on their own.

[ExFlyer]

On 4/30/2025 at 10:09 PM, Nationalist said:

Ever ask "why" inflation...in particular house prices...are so nuts? How is it that 15 years ago a nice house in Toronto was 230,000 and today it's pushing 1.5 million. How did that happen? Could it have been...wealthy Chinese?...wealthy Indians? And how is it rents have gone up drastically. How many "student visa" kids are out there? Paying whatever because their family is paying for it all. After which, the student brings the whole family over. I've seen this up close...several times. Hell we even had to adjust home purchase laws to cool the rush down. Who did that? And fckin' Hell WHY?

Then there's the stifling regulations...and the icing on the cake...

"Hey The Rona is seriously hurting the entire economy! I got a great idea! Let's sh1t on fuel and energy production RIGHT NOW!" 

My Gawd...either the dumbest or the most malicious act leadership could have made.

I'll leave you to choose which...

Toronto, and other places housing prices went sky high during covid. People went crazy and there were bidding wars for nearly every property that was for sale. That made every body after covid think that their house was worth that too. When prices stabilized, they stabilized at the higher price. 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/blog/2021/-/media/4fb76e6f67bc49ba9b878ff352f3aa47.ashx

https://www.crea.ca/cafe/five-years-later-how-pandemic-trends-are-still-affecting-canadas-housing-market/

https://www.torontomu.ca/centre-urban-research-land-development/blog/blogentry73111111111111111/

And then there is demand. Like everything that is in demand, the price will go up but....even then, people are willing to pay the price. As I have said and will reiterate, there are houses for sale but more importantly, they sell. Someone is buying.

For sure foreign ownership caused some of the issues but provincial governments (which really are the ones that control housing) have restricted foreign ownership. Are you implying we (government) should decide who can buy a house? You need to apply to the government for permission to buy a home?

Who is going to pay for the infrastructure (roads, streets, sewers, water etc) associated with building homes and developments? Is the developer the taxpayer?? Is that regulations or taking the burden of developing land off the taxpayer back.? 

I have no idea what you are trying to say with e "Hey RONA" sentence.

Point is, all costs from infrastructure to materials to labour have gone up a lot , hence the cost of building and buying a house have gone up proportionally.

What is the "dumbest or the most malicious act leadership could have made." ?

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You and @blackbird need to go back to grade 10 Social Studies class.  I can’t even believe Canadians could be this ignorant!   Where did you get the idea that the Constitution allows for secession???  
 

 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.8/section-3.html?txthl=terms#:~:text=3 (1) It is recognized,would require negotiations involving at

 

• 3 (1) It is recognized that there is no right under the Constitution of Canada to effect the secession of a province from Canada unilaterally and that, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all of the provinces and the Government of Canada.

Isn't that what I told you before?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Toronto, and other places housing prices went sky high during covid. People went crazy and there were bidding wars for nearly every property that was for sale. That made every body after covid think that their house was worth that too. When prices stabilized, they stabilized at the higher price. 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/blog/2021/-/media/4fb76e6f67bc49ba9b878ff352f3aa47.ashx

https://www.crea.ca/cafe/five-years-later-how-pandemic-trends-are-still-affecting-canadas-housing-market/

https://www.torontomu.ca/centre-urban-research-land-development/blog/blogentry73111111111111111/

And then there is demand. Like everything that is in demand, the price will go up but....even then, people are willing to pay the price. As I have said and will reiterate, there are houses for sale but more importantly, they sell. Someone is buying.

For sure foreign ownership caused some of the issues but provincial governments (which really are the ones that control housing) have restricted foreign ownership. Are you implying we (government) should decide who can buy a house? You need to apply to the government for permission to buy a home?

Who is going to pay for the infrastructure (roads, streets, sewers, water etc) associated with building homes and developments? Is the developer the taxpayer?? Is that regulations or taking the burden of developing land off the taxpayer back.? 

I have no idea what you are trying to say with e "Hey RONA" sentence.

Point is, all costs from infrastructure to materials to labour have gone up a lot , hence the cost of building and buying a house have gone up proportionally.

What is the "dumbest or the most malicious act leadership could have made." ?

 

 

 

Prices were way up much before The Rona fiasco and you know it.

Why have prices skyrocketed? What happens to the cost of things, when the cost of production and transportation skyrockets?

The government forced the cost of fuel up and the results are that production and transport costs went up. This effects...everything. The decision to impose such costs on consumers was and remains, one of the "dumbest or the most malicious act leadership could have made."

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Prices were way up much before The Rona fiasco and you know it.

Why have prices skyrocketed? What happens to the cost of things, when the cost of production and transportation skyrockets?

The government forced the cost of fuel up and the results are that production and transport costs went up. This effects...everything. The decision to impose such costs on consumers was and remains, one of the "dumbest or the most malicious act leadership could have made."

Oh, then is was not the libs? Before covid was Harper.

Anyway, I gave you 3 sources that show the steep rise and why.

I have explained it to you...it is circular, one wants more and then the other then in the end, it all costs more. Simple. You can pick which one you want to be the primary one but in reality, it rotates.

If you are implying fuel is the reason??  They do not ship one 2X4 at a time. The increase in fuel is absorbed by the huge numbers of products shipped. If the government made the fuel cost go up, but are saying it was before covid then you implicate Harper.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh, then is was not the libs? Before covid was Harper.

Anyway, I gave you 3 sources that show the steep rise and why.

I have explained it to you...it is circular, one wants more and then the other then in the end, it all costs more. Simple. You can pick which one you want to be the primary one but in reality, it rotates.

If you are implying fuel is the reason??  They do not ship one 2X4 at a time. The increase in fuel is absorbed by the huge numbers of products shipped. If the government made the fuel cost go up, but are saying it was before covid then you implicate Harper.

Pixie-Dust took office in 2015. I made an investment in a house that year for $400,000. Today that house is worth $1.2 million.

When I do a search for fuel impact on inflation, I get the following:

Quote

From February 2021 to June 2022, energy prices alone accounted for a third (33%) of Canada's overall inflation. And when energy costs spike, a wide range of other items are impacted. Items that are energy intensive contributed nearly three full percentage points to Canada's overall inflation in Q3 2022.

 

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Pixie-Dust took office in 2015. I made an investment in a house that year for $400,000. Today that house is worth $1.2 million.

When I do a search for fuel impact on inflation, I get the following:

 

Look, you can argue till hell freezes over to find someone to blame. The fact of the matter it is us, the collective us, that have driven up costs.

We want more and we are willing to pay for it.

[Nationalist]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Look, you can argue till hell freezes over to find someone to blame. The fact of the matter it is us, the collective us, that have driven up costs.

We want more and we are willing to pay for it.

The collective us? OK...that's just horseshit.

[Chrissy1979]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In all honesty I suspect that if Alberta voted to leave the first province to join them would be Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan and Alberta share a very interesting history, in fact originally when they were being pushed to join Canada it was considered making them one big province called buffalo. Then other divisions were considered until eventually the Canadian government have the time decided to make them two provinces. There's a lot of kinship and I think very quickly Saskatchewan would vote to go with alberta

I think at THAT point  bC would have a very serious discussion with itself. And I think most likely it would look at separating as well. It would not be excited about being separated from the rest of Canada, and it would be even less excited about the idea that now it had no political power. At least when the other western provinces were there as a block the west had a reasonable amount of horsepower but with two of those provinces missing bC would matter the least out of all the areas in Canada to the federal government. It would make a lot more sense to consider going it with the other western provinces

I don't know what Manitoba would do. To be honest that would really round things out, if the four western provinces were their own country they would be very powerful.In Manitoba would open up hudson's bay which thanks to global warming means you could ship materials to Eastern markets from there instead of the east coast.

But Alberta Saskatchewan and British Columbia could certainly make a go of it on their own.

Nobody thinks it's a coincidence you're talking about separating at the exact same time Trump is trying to get Canada to fall apart?

The first thing to accept is you're a gullible traitor. Next is to accept you're a sore loser who throws childlike tantrums when he doesn't get his way 

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The collective us? OK...that's just horseshit.

Yes, the public.

You want it and you will pay for it.

[Nationalist]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Yes, the public.

You want it and you will pay for it.

What I want...is an end to the stupidity.

I want the oil and gas industry...along with farming, forestry and all other mining...deregulated.

That alone will bring inflation to heal.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nobody thinks it's a coincidence you're talking about separating at the exact same time Trump is trying to get Canada to fall apart?

The first thing to accept is you're a gullible traitor. Next is to accept you're a sore loser who throws childlike tantrums when he doesn't get his way 

@CdnFox - Nothing anyone says will cure Chrissy-Baby of her TDS. Numbers and facts mean nothing to her or to the TDS crowd. All they know is hatred of Orangemanbad.

Hell the inflation rate has dropped since Trump took office. Today's jobs numbers are fantastic. Investment is flooding into the USA. Its unorthodox...but its working. And THAT is gonna drive these silly. hate-filled twits out of their minds.

Best we rational folks can do...is sit back and enjoy their pain. After all...they asked for this.

[ExFlyer]

30 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What I want...is an end to the stupidity.

I want the oil and gas industry...along with farming, forestry and all other mining...deregulated.

That alone will bring inflation to heal.

I agree but, there has never been a time without inflation.

"while deregulation can have benefits in terms of promoting competition and economic growth, it also has potential drawbacks. These include the risk of market failures, increased inequality, risks to consumer protection, economic instability, and the creation of monopolies."

So, while deregulation is a maybe but are the risks worth it?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree but, there has never been a time without inflation.

"while deregulation can have benefits in terms of promoting competition and economic growth, it also has potential drawbacks. These include the risk of market failures, increased inequality, risks to consumer protection, economic instability, and the creation of monopolies."

So, while deregulation is a maybe but are the risks worth it?

These are risks that can be mitigated. But what we have is so regulated that it takes several years just to build a house now. What Canada needs is a DOGE.

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

These are risks that can be mitigated. But what we have is so regulated that it takes several years just to build a house now. What Canada needs is a DOGE.

OK, I am at an end on this.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

OK, I am at an end on this.

OK. No more arguments to make I guess.

Flyer...you and I are in similar positions financially...I think.

The difference is...you can accept the rot and the corruption as a fact of life. I cannot.

Always remember..."Elbows Up"...

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nobody thinks it's a coincidence you're talking about separating at the exact same time Trump is trying to get Canada to fall apart?

 

Nobody's thinking about that at all. Alberta has been talking about separating for about 20 some odd years now. They've come close to holding a referendum before. Western alienation was the primary reason that the reform and alliance parties started out. Has absolutely nothing to do with trump. This has everything to do with the west feeling like it has no representation Federally. No matter how the western provinces vote the liberals seem to get into power unless Ontario and Quebec happened to vote the same way.

I don't think you're a Canadian are you? Everybody knows this stuff.

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You and @blackbird need to go back to grade 10 Social Studies class.  I can’t even believe Canadians could be this ignorant!   Where did you get the idea that the Constitution allows for secession???  
 

 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.8/section-3.html?txthl=terms#:~:text=3 (1) It is recognized,would require negotiations involving at

 

• 3 (1) It is recognized that there is no right under the Constitution of Canada to effect the secession of a province from Canada unilaterally and that, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all of the provinces and the Government of Canada.

Your statement lays out the path to secession....Alberta/Quebec has a referendum with a clear question, once it passes the requirements set out by canada, then both parties sit down and discuss separation and what it looks like....SO it can be done just follow the rules laid out in your statement.

If it was mission impossible why is there a bloc party in Quebec, why is the federal government not interested in slaming quebec for items like language laws, religious symbol laws , Is all that just for votes.....why is it ROC bends the knee for quebec, i mean if theirs is NO secession why bother...your basically saying it can't be done, and yet Quebec has tried at least twice to do so....I got that number for that truck driving school, i heard they are looking for guys like you....

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

your basically saying it can't be done

No.  I quoted the Clarity Act on how it could be done legally.  🤪

 

…an amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all of the provinces and the Government of Canada.

Edited 3 hours ago by TreeBeard

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No.  I quoted the Clarity Act on how it could be done legally.  🤪

 

…an amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all of the provinces and the Government of Canada.

No you laid out how it "could" be down.....So it is possible....according to your own source... 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

No you laid out how it "could" be down.....So it is possible....according to your own source... 

Are you drunk or high, or somehow impaired?   You said the Constitution has clauses that could be used for a province to separate.  I showed how that was completely ignorant.  Now you’re saying I said something else when I quoted the Clarity Act on how it has to happen. 

Go back and read the posts when you sober up.

 

[taxme]

On 4/29/2025 at 3:18 AM, betsy said:

And pray for our leaders, and the battle ahead.

 

 

It was an exciting night, but couldn't keep awake waiting whether it's a majority or minority.

Congratulations to Liberal-supporting members.

 

 

 

Are you daft? Pray for the those traitor politicians who have pretty much destroyed this once great country called Canada. It is your traitorous left leaning lieberal political leaders that have been destroying Canada for decades now. The only battle ahead is whether or not Albertans decide to succeed. 40% of Albertans are ready to separate. Putting the lieberals back in power may have raised that number to 50%. I can only hope! And if Alberta goes, so does the rest of the country. You need to give up on Canada. Canada is pretty much finished. 

There is a new website out there called "done getting screwed.com". There you better heed their warning about Alberta separating. Things are getting very serious in Alberta now. It is wake up time. 🫠