Time for Western separation

[betsy]

I think, Carney will eventually cave in to Trump.   How can he not?

Either that............. or, lead a destabilized nation!   He is pragmatic.   A businessman.   He'd recognize the inevitable.  I just do hope he'd cut the best deal for us when it happens.

Unless we go with China!  Rely on China to protect and aid us.  What would that mean for us?

 

Yes........we'll end up the 51st state.

 

That is the price we pay for letting our nation down for so long.  We've open ourselves to this kind of scenario.

 

It won't happen overnight.   Like I said, in about 2 to 3 years.  There will be a "softening"........the idea will be sold to us gradually.......and we'll be talked into it by our own government.

 

After all........"we're all in this together....."

Edited 11 hours ago by betsy

[West]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Mind you, Trump is offering Canada to be the 51st state.  Not just to be a territory like Puerto Rico.

So that means, you will become Americans.  Which must mean, you get the same things Americans get.

 

I envision a line-up of Canadians from other parts of Canada  to Alberta.  Professionals, regular folks, soldiers, even some politicians!

An exodus.

 

 

Here is the thing:

If people starts leaving Canada for Alberta (USA) - will Canada prevent its people from leaving?

 

Will it apply the same measures as North Korea does to its people? 

Will there be an "iron curtain?"   Like.......the Berlin wall?

 

 

I'm pretty sure Trump's just trolling the libs

Most of our land is owned by foreigners like China or Bill Gates or Soros anyways. You think it's worse if Trump buys off Canada?

[betsy]

5 minutes ago, West said:

You think it's worse if Trump buys off Canada?

No.

 

And I think, even those who are anti-Trump here.....will think twice, if indeed income tax is abolished in the USA!  They might even be the first ones in line at the gate! 😁 

Talk is cheap!

Pay your tax (which undoubtedly will skyrocket).............or, don't pay tax on your income.

 

Lol - no competition! 🤣

Edited 6 hours ago by betsy

[betsy]

6 minutes ago, West said:

I'm pretty sure Trump's just trolling the libs

Most of our land is owned by foreigners like China or Bill Gates or Soros anyways.

 

China and other foreigners will scramble to sell off their land if ever they see us going to the USA!

 

Trump will hold those lands hostage...................if they don't divest them!

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

If the law says land is theirs, then they may decide to kick us all out.

Unless we want to rewrite the laws, bring back the residential schools and restart the genocide till no FN's are left.

When they are given some land, it is not talking about them having a sovereign country.  I am not sure what land you are talking about exactly.

They don't have a sovereign country on some piece of land.  It is still under the authority of the province and subject to provincial and federal laws.  They are only given use of some land for certain purposes, not to be a separate country.

So if a province separates, they don't have any say in it. 

But if you like to argue go for it.

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You still think indigenous people are under the authority of provincial governments?

hahahhahaha.   I thought you knew what you were talking about.  You seem to think they are independent and not under the provincial (and federal) government authority.

Edited 6 hours ago by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

28 minutes ago, West said:

I'm pretty sure Trump's just trolling the libs

Most of our land is owned by foreigners like China or Bill Gates or Soros anyways. You think it's worse if Trump buys off Canada?

Actually, most land is owned by the indigenous.

[West]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Actually, most land is owned by the indigenous.

Nonsense. 

Liberals hiding behind the indigenous to justify their abuse of western Canadians because they don't vote for them is the most vile thing about this whole ordeal

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, West said:

Nonsense. 

Liberals hiding behind the indigenous to justify their abuse of western Canadians because they don't vote for them is the most vile thing about this whole ordeal

Why would the liberal hide??? It belongs to Canada...you and me and the indigenous. 

The Liberals don't own anything ...except the votes needed to form government LOL

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

If Canadians sees Alberta separating - how long will it be before we see riots on the streets..........demanding for the rest of the country to be annexed too?

Especially when we're economically suffering?

We could end up in a civil war.

 

Destabilization of a country, usually results in a civil war.  

 

You think that's far-fetched thinking?

I think it's been induced with LSD.

[West]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Why would the liberal hide??? It belongs to Canada...you and me and the indigenous. 

The Liberals don't own anything ...except the votes needed to form government LOL

Eastern Canada wants to steal the fruit of the labour of western Canada. Don't actually want to work for it just steal. 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No.   Of course they don’t.  There would need to be a constitutional amendment, and that would require both houses of government to agree and 7 of 10 provinces with 50% of the population to ratify.  So the rest of Canada has the ultimate say.

No, I don't think that is correct.  When a province decides to separate, it is not a Constitutional amendment they are seeking.  There would have to be negotiations between the federal government and other provinces.  

If your idea were attempted, that could force a province to not negotiate and simply declare itself as independent.

Edited 4 hours ago by blackbird

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

I think, Carney will eventually cave in to Trump.   How can he not?

Either that............. or, lead a destabilized nation!   He is pragmatic.   A businessman.   He'd recognize the inevitable.  I just do hope he'd cut the best deal for us when it happens.

Unless we go with China!  Rely on China to protect and aid us.  What would that mean for us?

 

Yes........we'll end up the 51st state.

 

That is the price we pay for letting our nation down for so long.  We've open ourselves to this kind of scenario.

 

It won't happen overnight.   Like I said, in about 2 to 3 years.  There will be a "softening"........the idea will be sold to us gradually.......and we'll be talked into it by our own government.

 

After all........"we're all in this together....."

Elbows Up...LOL

What you say here betsy is very possible. The election was won by a fear of the USA tariffs and takeover.

So like a bunch of scared kittens, Canadians elected a guy with a slogan...who is a business partner of Trump's son-in-law.

Unbelievably stupid.

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, West said:

Eastern Canada wants to steal the fruit of the labour of western Canada. Don't actually want to work for it just steal. 

What fruit?? The seeds for the feds or the labour form other parts of Canada?? "Alberta attracts over 45,000 out-of-province workers in 2022"

As for Alberta oil?? "14 prominent shareholders collectively controlling significant portions of Imperial Oil, Cenovus Energy, Canadian Natural Resources and Suncor. More striking is that over 70 per cent of these major shareholders are foreign entities"

Alberta would have noting if the Feds had not stepped in and bailed them out many times.

in 2015 $1.6 billion bail out boost for the oil and gas industry on a $5.4 billion package.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4773317/alberta-oil-boost-federal-bailouts/

 

2019 1.6 billion more. https://energynow.ca/2019/11/one-year-later-most-oil-and-gas-bailout-money-has-moved-federal-government-says/

And there is more but you can look that up.

 

[Aristides]

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/first-nations-criticize-danielle-smith-separatism-bill-54

[West]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What fruit?? The seeds for the feds or the labour form other parts of Canada?? "Alberta attracts over 45,000 out-of-province workers in 2022"

As for Alberta oil?? "14 prominent shareholders collectively controlling significant portions of Imperial Oil, Cenovus Energy, Canadian Natural Resources and Suncor. More striking is that over 70 per cent of these major shareholders are foreign entities"

Alberta would have noting if the Feds had not stepped in and bailed them out many times.

in 2015 $1.6 billion bail out boost for the oil and gas industry on a $5.4 billion package.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4773317/alberta-oil-boost-federal-bailouts/

 

2019 1.6 billion more. https://energynow.ca/2019/11/one-year-later-most-oil-and-gas-bailout-money-has-moved-federal-government-says/

And there is more but you can look that up.

 

It's wild to see eastern/liberal Canadians complain and moan about American protectionist policies but when they throw up trade barriers within the boarders of Canada to prevent other regions from getting their goods to markets, which the decisions are often purely for political reasons and to "punish" people for not sharing woke ideology, then they don't see a problem with it. 

For the most part liberal Canadians are pretty brainwashed. They hate and are phobic of people over politics. Because they get propagandized by the CBC. Very sick to see such hate. 

The reality is had Eastern Canada not tossed up a bunch of trade barriers in the 80s and had Canada actually built a solid Canadian energy industry instead of trying to destroy it, he country would be miles ahead of where it is now progress/infrastructure wise. Instead they allowed divisive Liberal Party politics to get in the way, allowed division to pit region against region, etc. Trudeau Jr continued on with that policy and then wonder why the country is divided. 

Edited 3 hours ago by West

[West]

What Liberal Canadians see in Donald Trump they themselves have been doing for many decades. They are just not self aware enough to recognize it. 

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, West said:

It's wild to see....

the country is divided. 

I am from the West and lived in Alberta for 9 years.

Thing is, I have seen a lot more than you obviously have and I research and provide you evidence but you clearly cannot read or comprehend.

[West]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I am from the West and lived in Alberta for 9 years.

Thing is, I have seen a lot more than you obviously have and I research and provide you evidence but you clearly cannot read or comprehend.

This is no more of a "bail out" than what the auto manufacturers or Bombardier in Quebec get. They are loans which get repaid over time despite the federal government often working against the interests of one regions economy for pure extremist political reasons. 

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, West said:

This is no more of a "bail out" than what the auto manufacturers or Bombardier in Quebec get. They are loans which get repaid over time despite the federal government often working against the interests of one regions economy for pure extremist political reasons. 

Oh yeah, now that you realize Alberta has been constantly been bailed out and the feds even built a pipeline so it can ship it's oil...you have nothing left but to deflect to the automotive issue in another province. Both Bombardier and GM paid it all back, and made a public spectacle of it but Alberta...oh yeah, no payback yet LOL

What a F'n LOSER , even when you are proven wrong and you have to admit it LOL

Face it, the cons had a 25% lead and they blew it. Your Albert premier made sure you will be sucking the hind tit for the next 4 + years.

Edited 3 hours ago by ExFlyer

[West]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh yeah, now that you realize Alberta has been constantly been bailed out and the feds even built a pipeline so it can ship it's oil...you have nothing left but to deflect to the automotive issue in another province. Both Bombardier and GM paid it all back, and made a public spectacle of it but Alberta...oh yeah, no payback yet LOL

What a F'n LOSER , even when you are proven wrong and you have to admit it LOL

Face it, the cons had a 25% lead and they blew it. Your Albert premier made sure you will be sucking the hind tit for the next 4 + years.

Probably wouldn't be needed if the Feds would stop killing pipelines. 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

8 hours ago, betsy said:

9 hours ago, betsy said:

What interests me is not the separation itself, if it happens.

I'm assuming Alberta wants to be annexed to the  USA, if separation happens at all.

I'm interested how many people will leave Alberta to stay in Canada.....and how many Canadians will move to Alberta, wanting to be annexed to the USA.

Youe assumptions are just that . . . assumptions.

[ExFlyer]

42 minutes ago, West said:

Probably wouldn't be needed if the Feds would stop killing pipelines. 

 

Man, I never though a person could be as dense as you are being now.

The Feds built the pipelines dolt!!!  Alberta did $hit except cry LOL

[West]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, I never though a person could be as dense as you are being now.

The Feds built the pipelines dolt!!!  Alberta did $hit except cry LOL

2015 was about three decades too late. 

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, West said:

2015 was about three decades too late. 

"By the end of July 2022, approximately 70% of the pipeline had been completed, and the cost of the project had increased to CA$11.2 billion. In October 2023, pipeline installation on the project was 100% complete."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_GasLink_pipeline

And .... Alberta still did $hit.

 

You are clearly a true fool LOL

You are worse than a back woods Quebecer dreaming of separation...LOL

Edited 2 hours ago by ExFlyer