What is wrong with Conservative party these days? Is someone demonizing it?

CouchPotato · April 16

32 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you think he could ever lead the federal Tories? His mix of policies is clearly highly successful at the ballot box but he’s burned a lot of bridges in this campaign.

One thing I will give Doug Ford is when it comes to projecting that friendly guy image he is really good at it. I could see him hugging and kissing all the grandmas on the campaign trail. And it's kind of authentic because I am sure that even if he wasn't a politician he would still hug and kiss your grandma. Also there is the fact that he looks like a giant teddy bear. So your grandma probably wants to hug him back.

SpankyMcFarland · April 16

7 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

One thing I will give Doug Ford is when it comes to projecting that friendly guy image he is really good at it. I could see him hugging and kissing all the grandmas on the campaign trail. And it's kind of authentic because I am sure that even if he wasn't a politician he would still hug and kiss your grandma. Also there is the fact that he looks like a giant teddy bear. So your grandma probably wants to hug him back.

He’s a likeable extrovert which is the best place to start as a politician. In addition, he has an everyman persona despite his privileged upbringing. When brother Rob ran against Miller you wouldn’t have guessed who was raised in modest circumstances.

I am Groot · April 16

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Can you name a mass murderer who is out on the streets right now who shouldn’t be?

I can name a number of heartbroken parents who are forced to relieve their childrens' deaths every few years as their killer comes up for another parole hearing. Including the parents of Kristen French and Karla Mahaffy.

Why don't you tell me why you feel Paul Bernardo deserves parole hearings?

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you think he could ever lead the federal Tories? His mix of policies is clearly highly successful at the ballot box but he’s burned a lot of bridges in this campaign.

Not a chance. He is loathed in the West, for one thing. He has no French to speak of. And his success in Ontario is based largely on the coalition of ethnic groups around Toronto his brother put together (Ford nation) and which he took advantage of to take leadership of the PC party.

TreeBeard · April 16

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I can name a number…

So not one. Interesting. System seems to be working then, heartbroken family of victims notwithstanding.

I am Groot · April 16

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So not one. Interesting. System seems to be working then, heartbroken family of victims notwithstanding.

So if that's the case, then why are you opposed to allowing judges to extend parole eligibility? Do you just like mass murderers?

TreeBeard · April 16

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So if that's the case, then why are you opposed to allowing judges to extend parole eligibility? Do you just like mass murderers?

Notwithstanding my infatuation, nay…. love, of mass murderers, the justice system needs plenty of improvements.

Mass murderers out early walking the streets eating the children is not one of the issues though, as you’ve admitted since you couldn’t name a single case where this has happened.

CdnFox · April 16

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Notwithstanding my infatuation, nay…. love, of mass murderers, the justice system needs plenty of improvements.

Mass murderers out early walking the streets eating the children is not one of the issues though, as you’ve admitted since you couldn’t name a single case where this has happened.

And here we see again, the radical left is more concerned about the rights of the murderer than the victims or the family

What do you expect from a group that votes regularly for corruption and crime?

CouchPotato · April 16

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He’s a likeable extrovert which is the best place to start as a politician. In addition, he has an everyman persona despite his privileged upbringing.

To me, Pierre has always come across as a perfectly nice guy as well. He is not introverted either. A lot of it is spin. The media says he is angry, and people believe it. The media says Trudeau has sunny ways, and people believe it.

I mean part of that reason Pierre was always attacking Trudeau and the Liberals is because he is the opposition leader. If you watch parliament, Pierre never seemed angry when doing so. In fact, most of them time he would be calm or even smiling while criticizing the Liberals. Trudeau would actually get visibly angry and flustered with Pierre. But the narrative is always that Pierre is angry. A lot of people don't watch parliament so they don't know otherwise.

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everyman persona

We prefer the term everypeople persona.

Pierre grew up in an everypeople family. He draws tons of everypeople to his rallies and he takes time to engage with them personally. Carney is the guy who locked out fishermen.

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TreeBeard · April 16

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

he is the opposition leader.

He’ll stay that way, by the looks of it.

What do you think he should do to appeal to normal Canadian voters?

I am Groot · April 16

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Notwithstanding my infatuation, nay…. love, of mass murderers, the justice system needs plenty of improvements.

Yes. Get rid of all the judges on the Supreme Court to start and appoint new ones.

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Mass murderers out early walking the streets eating the children is not one of the issues though, as you’ve admitted since you couldn’t name a single case where this has happened.

George Lovie. Marcello Palma

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SpankyMcFarland · April 16

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

To me, Pierre has always come across as a perfectly nice guy as well. He is not introverted either. A lot of it is spin. The media says he is angry, and people believe it. The media says Trudeau has sunny ways, and people believe it.

It’s a matter of opinion. I just feel Ford comes across as warmer than Poilievre or Carney, less liable to criticize or correct.

CouchPotato · April 16

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What do you think he should do to appeal to normal Canadian voters?

Exactly what he is doing. He is promoting the right ideas.

I think possibly the conservatives have to find more ways to counter the mainstream narrative. I am a maritimer. I know tons of people who vote Liberal, who if you listed out all the policies of both parties would probably pick the conservatives hand down. I hear it all the time. They literally complain about all the very things the Liberal party pushes. Or in some cases they aren't aware of some of those things. And when you tell them they aren't sure whether or not to believe you. There are a whole bunch of conservatives in the Atlantic provinces who have no idea they are conservatives.

6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I just feel Ford comes across as warmer than Poilievre or Carney, less liable to criticize or correct.

Well sure. He probably does. And I am not discounting the importance of that, but it's not the most important thing.

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Moonbox · April 16

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

Exactly what he is doing. He is promoting the right ideas.

Yeah it seems to be going terrific...

CdnFox · April 16

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What do you think he should do to appeal to normal Canadian voters?

Well the traditional answer for most countries is to wait until the electorate is sick of the liberals again, and run an even more far right candidate and get him elected while people are furious and there isn't a trump to save the corrupt liberals

Then as soon as he's in change every law and every rule and every appointee so that you're the one that gets to cheat instead of the liberals next time. Take control of the country and never let it go.

I think most conservatives were hoping there was a way to deal with it without it coming to that. But you got to do what you got to do

TreeBeard · April 16

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Exactly what he is doing. He is promoting the right ideas.

Is he actually? He had a 25 point lead before Trudeau resigned and now it is looking like a Lib majority! I guess you can blame maritimers who are too stupid to know they’re a Conservative (different from a conservative), but a few weeks before, those same people were willing to vote for PP’s Cons.

That tells me it was a Trudeau issue, not that people were rallying behind Poilievre’s ideas.

herbie · April 16

So you all reinforce your belief that knowing well that the Notwithstanding clause recognizes in itself it can be used as a violation of the Charter of Rights, accept that as "okay: to use so long as you agree with the intent?
IOW you do not seeing it as the massive FAIL in the Constitution?

I pout forward that your massive FAIL is your inability to see the difference between political left and right from right and wrong.

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TreeBeard · April 16

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

So you all reinforce your belief that knowing well that the Notwithstanding clause recognizes in itself it can be used as a violation of the Charter of Rights, accept that as "okay: to use so long as you agree with the intent?
IOW you do not seeing it as the massive FAIL in the Constitution?

I pout forward that your massive FAIL is your inability to see the difference between political left and right from right and wrong.

They also ignore that this couldn’t be retroactive. No one out on parole now will be scooped up and thrown back into prison. If such legislation were implemented, it would apply after the implementation date.

herbie · April 16

As well as it has to be renewed every 5 years, so no one but a like minded Tory govt would do that.

But like their entire platform, it's merely slogans and gut issues. And Tories have always had a lock on gut issues. Details, consequences and policies regarding gut issues are never required. Why think about them?

Politics1990 · April 18

the problem is there trying to become the gop lite. they need to go back to being the old PC Party and not the reform party under a fake name lol.. erin otoole had potential but they stabbed him in the back and based on the leaders to choose from this time if he was still leader i think i would of actually voted for the cons.

Edited April 18 by Politics1990

taxme · April 18

On 4/13/2025 at 7:40 AM, myata said:

A random or inspired coincidence, I came across a post in one of the soc media feeds at to "what's really wrong with CPC campaign" and then, right here "The CPC is nothing at all like the Republican party".

So I thought, true, it's wrong when and if politics is reduced to making an adversary, then enemy, and then, an existential opposite of the political opponent. Is someone inventing this antagonistic view? Is it fictional? All valid questions.

For that reason I looked and tried to understand it. And here's the list, in my view and assessment entirely objective and factual why following my analysis of this reality, and facts in it I have to conclude that yes, indeed Canadian conservatives have stepped on the same path that Republican party was on some years or decades earlier, and if they fail to see it, and correct it now, it will lead them, all the way, to the same dismal and disgusting destination. Which is right here, before our eyes.

Vicious personal attacks in all channels as opposed to civilized and respectful arguments. This is U.S. style politics and we can watch in real time where it leads.

Repeated and persistent spreading of false pseudo-information, insinuations and claims targeting the individual as opposed to their policy. U.S. politics, worst of.

Apparent refusal to condemn uncivilized and criminal campaign tactics as widespread interference with election signs and commit fully and unconditionally to the rules and practices of civilized democratic campaigning.

Less than a clear, unconditional and unequivocal answer to the question about accepting the results of election.

Closeness, tight control of the media access in this critical time when Canadians have the full right to learn as much as possible of their candidates.

Shameful and shameless avoidance of candidate debates that appears to be the set policy of the said party.

Failure and/or blatant refusal to heed concerns of Canadians in answering questions about the security clearance - even in these troubling times in the world.

Some weird statements about women.

Absence of clear priorities and strategy in the international politics and the economy.

Confused, self-contradictory or deliberately misleading claims like doing more trade with the U.S. (how? in exchange for what?) to build up "sovereignty".

Endorsement by most grotesque U.S. MAGA personalities including Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Tucker Carson and others.

Can't say this is all, can be more on further thought. So yes, there are reasons and they are objective, real and factual.

The only ones that are trying to make the conservative party look bad is the lying and fake leftist liberal Canadian media and other left wing political party's. We have seen thousands of Conservative supporters attend Pierre's rallies, which indicates to me that the conservative party just could win this election with a majority of seats.

It happened to old man Turdeau who lost the election to conservative Mulroney. It was a wipeout for the turd. Let's hope that t happens again and we can wipe the liberals off the map once more. The leftist liberals have had their destructive run and now it time for a conservative to win and run once again.

If, by chance, the stupid electorate gives Corney a win, that is when i will work for Canada's destruction because with leftist liberal Corney running Canada he will destroy Canada anyway. Canada is finished if another liberal victory comes about.

And i hope that Alberta leads the way and separates from Canada, otherwise, if Alberta does stay in Canada, they will suffer even more under WEF globalist Corney. Alberta has been ripped off of hundreds of billions of their tax dollars from the many decades that the french liberal elite in Quebec have stolen from Alberta. Without Alberta, Quebec is finished. Whoopee!!

CdnFox · April 18

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

the problem is there trying to become the gop lite. they need to go back to being the old PC Party and not the reform party under a fake name lol.. erin otoole had potential but they stabbed him in the back and based on the leaders to choose from this time if he was still leader i think i would of actually voted for the cons.

The left wing solution is always that the conservative must become the liberals so that we have two liberal parties to choose from.

There's a reason why the PC party died. And frankly 39 percent of the vote is pretty solid. Chretien, harper, trudeau all won their majorities with that (chretien's first one was higher but not the subsequent ones).

Without trump in the picture this would be an easy conservative win.

Politics1990 · April 18

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The left wing solution is always that the conservative must become the liberals so that we have two liberal parties to choose from.

There's a reason why the PC party died. And frankly 39 percent of the vote is pretty solid. Chretien, harper, trudeau all won their majorities with that (chretien's first one was higher but not the subsequent ones).

Without trump in the picture this would be an easy conservative win.

i never said become liberals they need to become CENTER-right. instread of the right wing only they are right now lol. fact is if this party was anything like the old pc party was right now instead of right wing nuts under pp they would be sweeping into power lol

Edited April 18 by Politics1990

ExFlyer · April 18

As demonstrated after the French debate and yesterdays English debate....Rebel Media organized demonstrations are demonizing the Conservatives.

The far right are not helping the Conservatives.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/federal-debates-chief-says-he-was-unaware-rebel-news-had-registered-as-advocacy-group/

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-newman-debate-commission-loses-to-rebel-news-again

Edited April 18 by ExFlyer

herbie · April 18

16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The far right are not helping the Conservatives.

Somebody has to. They don't want real Conservatives like Mike DeJong anymore.

CdnFox · April 18

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

i never said become liberals they need to become CENTER-right.

It's fairly obvious from your description of that that you mean basically liberals. This is A variation on the I would vote for conservatives if they'd elected Mike Chong as leader protein that we hear constantly from the left.

By any reasonable measure poilievre and his version of the conservatives are comfortably center right. They believe in slowly balancing the budget, not radically doing so. They have no interest in messing with gay or women's rights in the slightest. Smaller more effective government and power to the provinces which is a very center right way to think. And their economic plans are very much a right of center series of proposals

But according to you there are some sort of hard right group. Nothing could be further from the truth. So obviously your idea of center right is actually what most people would consider to be either center left or perhaps fully left.

The left wing frequently suggests that anyone right of Castro is alt right extremist types. The only reason you don't see the CPC as center right is that the left has moved so FAR left.