Character and Commitment to Canada: Poilievre vs Carney

[WestCanMan]

CHARACTER:

There's no one left in Canada who thinks that Mark Carney is on par with Pierre Poilievre in terms of character. 

PP has been working hard for Canadians for years now, and Mark Carney has done nothing but lie and protect his conflict-of-interest assets in offshore tax havens.

Carney KNEW that he led the vote to move Brookfield to the US when he told Canadians that it happened after he left. Anyone who tells such a material, blatant lie instantly loses any semblance of credibility and integrity.  

Carney also lied about the importance of his role in protecting Canada from the 2008 recession. He's just shameless.

His lack of principle in that Chiang episode is beyond belief. How can a guy with such poor judgement run an entire country? Will he allow China to set up their own electronic surveillance stations all across Canada, and along the US border? I don't see why he wouldn't. 

His family is closely tied to Ghislaine Maxwell, he's in tight with the Communist Bank of China...

 

COMMITMENT TO CANADA:

He didn't even live here for the past ten years, and he was the economic advisor to our economic downfall.

The crap about him and Mike Myers pretending to be ultra-Canadian made me want to throw up. They both chose to live elsewhere, they are as Canadian as everyone else on earth who wants to not live in Canada. 

His own economic investments put him at odds with Canadian energy... He invests tens of billions of dollars in foreign pipelines and then supports policies that prevent Canadian pipelines from being built. 

 

I think there's no question that when people are looking for a man of integrity, and someone who's dedicated to this country, PP stands head and shoulders above Carney. 

[Queenmandy85]

There is a lot of defeatism among some of Poilievre's supporters. They need to have faith. How can see Pierre's confidence every day. He appears to be giving the Grits a big head start. First, he slammed the NDP over the last two years, inspite of the conventinal wisdom that the path to a CPC majority dependes on a strong NDR. He made no effort to build aliances with Progessive. Concervative Premiers in preparation for the campaign, signally to Premier Ford that his help isn't needed. Now, during the campaign, he is shunning the media despite the fact that he performs well when he interacts with reporters. He is diverting valuable campaign resources with large rallies preaching to the committed, rather than letting those workers to be out knocking on doors. That shows confidence. He clearly has a strategy to overcome the current state of the polls. The CPC is going to win 183 seats. I guarantee it because Pierre Poilieve is the smartest politician in Canada. So, to all you doubters crying in your beer that Pierre is going to lose, have a little faith.

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. Now, during the campaign, he is shunning the media despite the fact that he performs well when he interacts with reporters. 
2.The CPC is going to win 183 seats. I guarantee it because Pierre Poilieve is the smartest politician in Canada. So, to all you doubters crying in your beer that Pierre is going to lose, have a little faith.

1. You mean like when he was eating the apple ?  I ... guess ?  And, no, he's not changing his tack towards media "during the campaign", he's been hostile to them going as far as to implicate the Bell GlobeMedia CEO in a conspiracy to undermine him.  Not new.
2. Brave prediction.  Are you saying this because 1 ) The current polls are wrong or 2 ) Some wave of realization or Liberal collapse will happen in the next 18 days ?

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There's no one left in Canada who thinks that Mark Carney is on par with Pierre Poilievre in terms of character. 

Why do you keep saying such stupid things?

 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

His family is closely tied to Ghislaine Maxwell

And you're a sucker for right wing lies and AI fakes.

[Moonbox]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Brave prediction.  Are you saying this because 1 ) The current polls are wrong or 2 ) Some wave of realization or Liberal collapse will happen in the next 18 days ?

Short of an actual (rather than a desperately fabricated) scandal, I don't see it happening.  The CPC always performs better than it polls, but the gap is so wide right now it's hard to imagine.  

Pierre Poilievre spent 2 years plugging his dumb Trumpish slogans, and he mistook the CPC's relative strength as his own success, rather than it being about Justin being a useless twat.   Now that Justin's gone, his image as a juvenile sloganeer is all that's left.  

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Why do you keep saying such stupid things?

OMG, now you're denying that Carney suffers from a lack of character? 😂

Do you get all your info from CBC, Barqy? WTF!

 

Carney has been caught 100% lying to Canadians SEVERAL TIMES in his, what, 3 months in the spotlight? SEVERAL TIMES. Not even CBC can deny that. 

In what world does that not display a total lack of character? Are you ok with that, Barqy? Is that how you treat your friends, family, co-workers, etc? Are you just a raging liar, who sees that kind of behaviour as normal?

I'll say it again, Barqy: DO YOU LIE TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS OFTEN AS CARNEY LIES TO CANADIANS??????

Did you not know that Carney told all those huge lies? Did CBC forget to mention that? 

Every time Carney says something now there's a very good chance that it is THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH. As in, not just slightly inaccurate, or exaggerated, just a statement that is 100% the opposite of the truth. 

FFS, man. You're just so far out in left field now that you make eyeball look like he's on the mound. 

Edited Friday at 05:00 PM by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

Look at all the LPOC apologists who popped into this thread just to deflect from the topic... 

Not even one of them could address the issue of Mark Carney's integrity head-on.

That just goes to show you exactly what kind of people we are dealing with. Absolutely disgusting. They're not even ashamed of themselves because they are completely amoral. 

[WestCanMan]

Tick-tock, lefties...

Isn't there a single on of you that can speak to Mark Carney's integrity, or commitment to Canadians? 

Are you all ready to take the zero on this one and focus on homelessness, conflicts of interest, inappropriate ties to the Chinese gov't, media bribery,...

Wait, what are your election issues again? Are you just focusing on Alex Nanos's polling? Is that your only "issue"? 

"LOOK AT THE POLLS!!!! IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE!!!"

[WestCanMan]

@robosmith

Remember when you were talking about how Charlie Kirk was unfairly punching down on uneducated, uninformed liberals, so his forum format didn't actually constitute "debating"? 

This thread is a perfect example of what you should do when confronted with a topic that you either don't know a lot about, or where you actually have nothing to say in your own defence.... Just run like all the LPOC apologists in this forum are running from this thread. Carney is not a man of integrity at all. There's no defending him. So the lefties here just keep their traps shut. 

Got it? If you see Charlie Kirk, just run. Don't be a victim of info-bullying.  

[CouchPotato]

Brookfield registered entities to Grand Cayman address Obama called ‘largest tax scam in the world’

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Liberal Leader Mark Carney’s former firm Brookfield has registered more than a dozen business entities to an infamous address in the Cayman Islands that former U.S. president Barack Obama once described as either “the largest building in the world or the largest tax scam in the world.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/brookfield-registered-entities-to-grand-cayman-address-obama-called-largest-tax-scam-in-the-world/

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

1. Short of an actual (rather than a desperately fabricated) scandal, I don't see it happening.  The CPC always performs better than it polls, but the gap is so wide right now it's hard to imagine.  

2. Pierre Poilievre spent 2 years plugging his dumb Trumpish slogans, and he mistook the CPC's relative strength as his own success, rather than it being about Justin being a useless twat.   

3. Now that Justin's gone, his image as a juvenile sloganeer is all that's left.  

1. Ok.  As a former statistician, I don't put as much faith in the polls as many.
2. Ok, but your subjectivity influences your view here.  I'm not saying I disagree but pure information is hard to find these days.
3. Lots of people like this man.  Lots.

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok.  As a former statistician, I don't put as much faith in the polls as many.

Not putting a lot of faith in them is reasonable.  Pretending they're meaningless is another.  As a former statistician, I'm sure you can appreciate what a ~10 point lead means, and how hard that is to gap via polling variables.  

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Ok, but your subjectivity influences your view here.  I'm not saying I disagree but pure information is hard to find these days.

Not sure where this sort of comment leads us.  Other than polls, which you've already said you don't much faith in, we don't actually have any objective information, so where does this thought lead us?  

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Lots of people like this man.  Lots.

Not a very useful point either, I would say.  "Lots" of people still liked Trudeau, but when your net favorability is -25% and 60% of the population actively dislikes you, you have to hope they like the other guy even less.  

I think it Army Guy who said his pet hamster could beat Trudeau, and he was probably right.  The problem is that the hamster might have been able to beat Poilievre too...  🤔

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Brookfield registered entities to Grand Cayman address Obama called ‘largest tax scam in the world’

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/brookfield-registered-entities-to-grand-cayman-address-obama-called-largest-tax-scam-in-the-world/

• CTV News reviewed U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filings between 2015 and 2024 that show the global investment firm registered limited companies and limited partnerships to a five-storey building in the capital of the self-governing British Overseas Territory.

  That building is known as Ugland House, and is home to at least 18,000 corporate entities.

😂 

The commute is a real b1tch:

[suds]

Ideologues such as Carney only commit themselves to their beliefs and ideologies and rarely to their country. I'm not suggesting he's a bad guy or anything, and I surely believe there's a lot of voters who go along with his beliefs. He wrote a book about them. But I'd rather go with the guy who's actually preaching change and common sense.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, suds said:

But I'd rather go with the guy who's actually preaching change and common sense.

I'd rather go with the guy who actually has common sense.
Like taking advantages offered when he runs a business rather than acting like the those that think they're conservatives and talk socialist do. So illiterate in business they think they exist for the good of the workers and the country.

We're in business to save you money!

[suds]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

I'd rather go with the guy who actually has common sense.
Like taking advantages offered when he runs a business rather than acting like the those that think they're conservatives and talk socialist do. So illiterate in business they think they exist for the good of the workers and the country.

We're in business to save you money!

No idea what you're referring to. Or maybe I'm just dyslexic or something.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

I'd rather go with the guy who actually has common sense.

OMG, I can't believe you actually said that. 

Congrats, herbie!

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Like taking advantages offered when he runs a business rather than acting like the those that think they're conservatives and talk socialist do. So illiterate in business they think they exist for the good of the workers and the country.

We're in business to save you money!

Do you know how ret4rded you sound now?

You're an NDPer, so you've spent your whole life pretending to be more worried about corporate greed than anything else, now you're cheering for companies to cheat the system. "Because it's a guy I like" 😂

Do you know there's a reason why the government of China and Donald Trump both want Carney elected?

• Carney sends Canadian jobs to the US.
• Carney puts companies and stocks offshore to avoid paying taxes in Canada.
• Carney does his banking with the government of China. 
• Carney won't fire MPs for working for the gov't of China
• Carney meets with Chinese gov't business associations, and then calls the Globe and Mail liars for proving it. 

If you're not intentionally working against Canada then you're a useful id10t.

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, suds said:

Ideologues such as Carney only commit themselves to their beliefs and ideologies and rarely to their country.

If you think that out of the two, Carney and not Poilievre is the ideologue, I'm not sure you even understand what the word means.  🙃

[CouchPotato]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

If you think that out of the two, Carney and not Poilievre is the ideologue, I'm not sure you even understand what the word means.  🙃

How is Pierre an ideologue? Most of the things he is proposing are pretty popular, which is why the Liberals keep stealing the platform. Cut taxes. Get tough on crime. Reduce immigration to sustainable levels. Practical solutions.

It is Mark Carney who has written a 500 page volume on his vision for building a better world. It is the Liberal party that has been focused on ideological things and spending exorbitant amounts of other people's money to do so.

REVEALED: Trudeau spent $11,000,000,000 on overseas gender programs during tenure

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Over the last 10 years, the Government of Canada has spent around $11.2 billion on overseas gender initiatives, focusing on projects directly targeting gender equality and women’s empowerment as outlined in Canada’s Feminist International Assistance Policy (FIAP).

https://winnipegsun.com/news/national/revealed-trudeau-spent-11000000000-on-overseas-gender-programs-during-tenure

Edited Saturday at 09:28 AM by CouchPotato

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

How is Pierre an ideologue? Most of the things he is proposing are pretty popular, which is why the Liberals keep stealing the platform. Cut taxes. Get tough on crime. Reduce immigration to sustainable levels. Practical solutions.

It is Mark Carney who has written a 500 page volume on his vision for building a better world. It is the Liberal party that has been focused on ideological things and spending exorbitant amounts of other people's money to do so.

REVEALED: Trudeau spent $11,000,000,000 on overseas gender programs during tenure

https://winnipegsun.com/news/national/revealed-trudeau-spent-11000000000-on-overseas-gender-programs-during-tenure

As is pointed in the comments, we need to understand what this money actually was spent on. The fact that they put the word gender in there, versus women, tells me they're probably trying to spike the punch. 

 

As for Pierre, calling Liberals "Marxist" is about all you need to know, with regards to his ideological rhetoric. 

 

[CouchPotato]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

As for Pierre, calling Liberals "Marxist" is about all you need to know, with regards to his ideological rhetoric.

You keep saying this. It's pretty weak, Michael Hardner. First off, that is not an example of being ideological, it is an example of someone accusing the Liberals of radical ideology. You may disagree with that accusation, but it doesn't reflect any ideology of Pierre's. It may not be the best tactic, but it's not something unique to Poilievre and it's not Trumpian. Mainstream politicians on the left on both sides of the border have been doing the same for years. You just choose to ignore it.

Pierre has kept his ideas and platforms very simple and practical, and has done so for years. Get rid of the carbon tax completely. Reduce immigration to sustainable levels. Stop being weak on crime. Tackle the opioid crisis and addiction with treatment rather than handing out free drugs. You haven't provided any examples of ideology.

Now, if we are going to talk about accusing others of being radicals, Pierre is no match for the Liberals in this regard. Several Liberal MPs called Harper a dictator. Trudeau called people who were vaccine-hesitant racists and misogynists. They tried to paint the Freedom Convoy to Nazis. One Liberal MP went so far as to say that Honk Honk meant Heil Hitler. That's far worse than accusing a politician of being radical. The Liberals do it to regular citizens.

You've provided one example of Pierre doing this sort of thing and labelled him Trumpian. And recently you made the argument that because someone on this forum called the Liberals Marxist this is further evidence that Pierre Poilievre is Trumpian. Pretty lame, Mike.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:09 PM by CouchPotato

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

1. You keep saying this. It's pretty weak, Michael Hardner. First off, that is not an example of being ideological, it is an example of someone accusing the Liberals of radical ideology. You may disagree with that accusation, but it doesn't reflect any ideology of Pierre's. It may not be the best tactic, but it's not something unique to Poilievre and it's not Trumpian. Mainstream politicians on the left on both sides of the border have been doing the same for years. You just choose to ignore it.

2. Pierre has kept his ideas and platforms very simple and practical, and has done so for years. Get rid of the carbon tax completely. Reduce immigration to sustainable levels. Stop being weak on crime. Tackle the opioid crisis and addiction with treatment rather than handing out free drugs. You haven't provided any examples of ideology.

3. Several Liberal MPs called Harper a dictator. Trudeau called people who were vaccine-hesitant racists and misogynists. They tried to paint the Freedom Convoy to Nazis. One Liberal MP went so far as to say that Honk Honk meant Heil Hitler. That's far worse than accusing a politician of being radical. The Liberals do it to regular citizens.

 

1. I'm not ignoring it, I just haven't seen an argument against my point that I believe. We're not talking about his ideology, we're talking about him behaving like an ideologue. And making extreme statements is definitely a sign of an ideologue.  He's not just saying that Trudeau is Extreme, he's calling him a Marxist which is something specific and pretty blatantly not true. 

2. Everything is ideology, including centrist policy and everything you wrote there. It's all ideology. Everyone has ideology, not everyone is an idealogue, which refers to someone who is uncompromising and dogmatic 

3. Yes, calling another party. A Nazi party is a sign of ideologue.  There are lots of examples of calling people dictators, which I also don't support, but that's mostly insults.  The conservative MP Rachel Thomas indicated that Trudeau could be a dictator, but I don't think that makes her an ideologue. It's just an insult in that level. 

 

Anyway, at this point we're just arguing about our personal interpretations of words. I'll stand by the dictionary definition of ideologue.  And for the definition of ideology, I would refer to Slavoj Zizek's popular description of it referring to unknown knowns... See Donald Rumsfeld...

 

Cheers 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:44 PM by Michael Hardner

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok.  As a former statistician, I don't put as much faith in the polls as many.
2. Ok, but your subjectivity influences your view here.  I'm not saying I disagree but pure information is hard to find these days.
3. Lots of people like this man.  Lots.

IMO...very few "like" the carney. They hate anything however loosely related to Trump.

But which of the 2 are close to Trump, in reality.

The carney has the personality of a blank sheet of white paper.

Have an apple...you'll feel better.

[CouchPotato]

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'm not ignoring it, I just haven't seen an argument against my point that I believe. We're not talking about his ideology, we're talking about him behaving like an ideologue. And making extreme statements is definitely a sign of an ideologue.  He's not just saying that Trudeau is Extreme, he's calling him a Marxist which is something specific and pretty blatantly not true.

 

ideologue /ī′dē-ə-lôg″, -lŏg″, ĭd′ē-/

noun

1. An advocate of a particular ideology, especially an official exponent of that ideology.
2. An adherent to or advocate of some ideology{3}.

Accusing someone else of being extreme is not an inherent feature of being an ideologue. You may consider it an example of behavior common among ideologues, but you have only provided one example of Pierre ever doing so. It's not common practice with Pierre. Tons of politicians have made extreme comments like this. As for distinguishing between whether someone merely calls someone an extremist or labels them with a specific type of extremism (whether mistakenly or not) has nothing to do with being an ideologue. That is just a rule you have made up on the fly. You say you haven't seen any argument against your point. You haven't even made a point to begin with.

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2. Everything is ideology, including centrist policy and everything you wrote there. It's all ideology. Everyone has ideology, not everyone is an idealogue, which refers to someone who is uncompromising and dogmatic

OK, that is a the real definition of being an ideologue, but you still haven't provided any examples of Pierre being one.

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Anyway, at this point we're just arguing about our personal interpretations of words. I'll stand by the dictionary definition of ideologue.

Stand by it all you want. You just fail to make any case as to how someone fits the dictionary definition of ideologue.

Let's be honest here, Mike. You heard of one incident where Pierre called Liberals marxists while door knocking. All of a sudden you start calling him Trumpian. You make a lot of pretense about how all this sort of thing is offensive to your high standards, while you consistently praise posters who call others fascists, wish other posters dead or accuse them of having a sexual attraction to their own children. You don't care about rhetoric.

Edited Saturday at 01:42 PM by CouchPotato

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

As for Pierre, calling Liberals "Marxist" is about all you need to know, with regards to his ideological rhetoric. 

Trudeau called the unvaxed "racists and misogynists" MH - he even questioned whether or not we should be "tolerated" - and you didn't give a shit, so why are you so bent out of shape because PP inaccurately called those f'ing Nazis 'Marxists'?

You see the hypocrisy there, right?

And make no mistake, MH, there was nothing democratic or Canadian about that little b1tch's covid fascism. Calling him a Marxist is letting him off easy. There's no word that can be used to describe Trudeau that's out of line. 

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he's calling him a Marxist which is something specific and pretty blatantly not true. 

It's only untrue in the sense that Marxism isn't an inherently evil ideology. It actually sounds like not a bad gig. It's only when it's put into practice as communism that it ends up being all 'evil' around the edges.

Trudeau is inherently evil. He's way more of a Nazi than a Marxist.

 

One more thing, MH: the dems constantly call Trump a racist, misogynist, fascist, Nazi, etc, and I've never seen you comment about how inappropriate that was. 

Trudeau has been far more adversarial towards freedom of speech, he has overtly taken steps to curtail freedom of information on the internet, he has blatantly controlled the media, controlled the Minister of Justice, created a gesundheitspass, frozen people's bank accounts for donating to a peaceful protest, stolen gas and food from peaceful protesters, and ostracized Canadians for no better reason than to line the pockets of big pharma. 

If it's ok to call Trump a Nazi then it's definitely ok to point out the fact that trudeau ran the closest thing to a Nazi government that any non-muslim country has had since WWII.

Edited Saturday at 02:52 PM by WestCanMan