For nine years, Canada has been on the wrong track.

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

What part of "it's not about production" do you not understand?

 

Can you explain how anyone can claim they’re killing the oil industry but ignore oil production?

This seems so unserious. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:15 PM by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

59 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why are we producing more now than we ever have?  
 

 

Where does most of the oil go?  The U.S.?

We can't sell overseas via the east coast because the Liberals killed the proposed Energy East pipeline.

We can't sell more to Pacific rim countries, India, and Asia because Liberals killed the Northern Gateway pipeline proposal.

We haven't increased our oil production and sales to the rest of the world because of Liberal's killing the industry.

Natural gas production has not increased in the past 20 or 30 years you will notice.  Trudeau turned down the offer to send LNG to European countries.

Carney wants to keep net zero and all the regulations and caps on the energy industry.  This is paralyzing the energy industry and preventing us from growing and selling world wide.

The U.S. is going to drill, drill, drill and produce lots of oil, but Canada can't because of Liberal restrictions and carbon taxes.  Carney will keep us from developing our energy industry in the face of Trump tariffs.  We need to develop our oil and gas reserves to counter the Trump tariffs.  Not keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

EDITORIAL: Carney’s wrong on pipeline law

Edited Wednesday at 08:35 PM by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Where does most of the oil go? 

Does the government decide who companies should sell their oil to, or is it the companies?  
 

Why do you want a socialist nanny state telling oil companies they can’t sell oil to America?  Premier Smith would not be happy with that.  

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Liberal's killing the industry.

We’re digging more oil than ever.  The industry is doing great. 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Does the government decide who companies should sell their oil to, or is it the companies?  
 

Why do you want a socialist nanny state telling oil companies they can’t sell oil to America?  Premier Smith would not be happy with that.  

We’re digging more oil than ever.  The industry is doing great. 

I've told you enough times the Liberals are strangling the energy industry, but you don't seem to believe facts.

We could be selling far more to the rest of the world than we are, but we don't have the pipelines to do it and restrictions, cap, etc. are making it far more expensive to produce oil in Canada than the U.S. does.  The industry is not doing nearly as well as it could because of the restrictions and carbon taxes.

Just now, blackbird said:

Why do you want a socialist nanny state

That's what we have now under the Liberals/NDP.  

[TreeBeard]

Just now, blackbird said:

but you don't seem to believe facts

How are they strangling the industry if we are digging more oil than ever before?  That sounds like the Liberals have been overseeing the biggest boom in oil ever. 

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The industry is not doing nearly as well as it could

RECORD PROFITS!

 

Trudeau’s Liberals oversee oil companies in Canada making more money than they’ve ever made.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-oil-profit-cashflow-climate-iea-1.6750496

Edited Wednesday at 08:47 PM by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're the one who's forever whining we're already at the lowest setting.  

I've literally never said that.  If you're hearing whining it's probably the voices in your head. 

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Get a grip, things are better here.

No, they're not.  especially for the kids.  And that's been shown dozens of times on this board and you only have to glance at the news to see that's the case.

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Naw, that's just an aspect you created of me that you can't get out of your silly head. 

You've literally just proven here that it's a correct observation, not an 'aspect'. 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I've literally never said that.

You literally always imply it.

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, they're not. And that's been shown dozens of times on this board and you only have to glance at the news to see that's the case.

So what about Haiti...Sudan...Ukraine... Mississippi, West Virginia or Arkansas...the list goes on and on and on. Like I said get a grip and stop talking out of your ass.

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You've literally just proven here that it's a correct observation, not an 'aspect'. 

Oh...of course...I was lying anytime I said something to give you that impression - trolling you.

But seriously, things are definitely better because of people like me. We still have our local public dock DFO was going to tear out and a couple of sewage pump out stations for people to use instead of pumping it into our harbour.

I organized resistance to the former and support for the latter - including securing public funding. You should have stepped up and said something when you had the chance.

Thanks all the same.

[suds]

53 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How are they strangling the industry if we are digging more oil than ever before?  That sounds like the Liberals have been overseeing the biggest boom in oil ever. 

It's not as if the oil companies are spending more to pump more oil out of the ground, or that Liberals have anything to do with it either.  It's simply because oil companies have found more efficient and profitable ways to go about doing it.

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, suds said:

It's not as if the oil companies are spending more to pump more oil out of the ground, or that Liberals have anything to do with it either.  It's simply because oil companies have found more efficient and profitable ways to go about doing it.

In Canada, it’s much more expensive to get bitumen out of the ground than oil elsewhere.  The price needs to be high. 
 

This is why I laugh at @PIK’s suggestion that oil prices would drop a lot if we would just let the oil companies have at it!   As if the oil companies would allow it to become less profitable for themselves. 
 

Oil is boom and bust.  Right now, there’s a boom due to the high world oil prices.  There will come a bust again where it’s not worth digging. 
 

Personally, I think we subsidize the oil industry so much now that we should nationalize at least a portion of it.  We bought them a money-losing pipeline.  We are talking about taxpayers funding more pipelines.  We underwrite the risk on the pipelines that are built.  Time to put a stop to the corporate welfare.  

[PIK]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

In Canada, it’s much more expensive to get bitumen out of the ground than oil elsewhere.  The price needs to be high. 
 

This is why I laugh at @PIK’s suggestion that oil prices would drop a lot if we would just let the oil companies have at it!   As if the oil companies would allow it to become less profitable for themselves. 
 

Oil is boom and bust.  Right now, there’s a boom due to the high world oil prices.  There will come a bust again where it’s not worth digging. 
 

Personally, I think we subsidize the oil industry so much now that we should nationalize at least a portion of it.  We bought them a money-losing pipeline.  We are talking about taxpayers funding more pipelines.  We underwrite the risk on the pipelines that are built.  Time to put a stop to the corporate welfare.  

I did?

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

I did?

Someone did.  You all blend together.  

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You literally always imply it.

I literally never have.  At all. Hell it doesnt even make sense. 

Canada is doing far worse than it should be doing, that much is true but of course you don't want to admit to the failures of your left wing gov't

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So what about Haiti...Sudan...Ukraine... Mississippi, West Virginia or Arkansas...the list goes on and on and on. Like I said get a grip and stop talking out of your ass.

What about them. What about the unnecessary gov't spending? what about the immigration that's driven up housing and food to the point nobody can afford to live? Not to mention overloading our medical system, which we fired a crap tonne of people from because covid. What about our crashing gdp per capita? What about all the corruption the gov't has been caught doing that you like to blame on harper? What about our lack of competitiveness? what about our severely diminished oil industry?

ALL of that AND MORE happened as a direct result of the liberals bad policy. Nothng that happened in Missouri had anything to do with it. 

Explain to me what exaclty Hati did that caused justin trudeau to borrow 100 billion dollars before covid even happened, or how sudan forced him to increase immigration vastly higher than we could possibly handle?

 

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Oh...of course...I was lying anytime I said something to give you that impression - trolling you.

Everyone on this board is well aware you're a liar.  But you don't do it to troll, you just claim that after you get busted  

 

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But seriously, things are definitely better because of people like me.

They are far worse because of people like you. People like you who will applaud Justin Trudeau and his corruption and try and blame the conservatives instead of thinking about your country and doing the right thing and voting him out. People like you who spend all day lying that a carbon tax will somehow stop global warming while our economy falters to the point where we can't even afford to try something that might work next. People like you who's dishonesty and lowbrow thinking drags our economy and our country down and pollutes our children's future

.If you and your kind died tomorrow Canada would prosper. That's a simple truth. IT's your right to be that way and i would defend that right if it came to it, but that's the simple truth. You and your kind are the anchor that drags our country down. 

20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

In Canada, it’s much more expensive to get bitumen out of the ground than oil elsewhere.  The price needs to be high. 
 

This is why I laugh at @PIK’s suggestion that oil prices would drop a lot if we would just let the oil companies have at it!   As if the oil companies would allow it to become less profitable for themselves. 
 

Oil is boom and bust.  Right now, there’s a boom due to the high world oil prices.  There will come a bust again where it’s not worth digging. 
 

Personally, I think we subsidize the oil industry so much now that we should nationalize at least a portion of it.  We bought them a money-losing pipeline.  We are talking about taxpayers funding more pipelines.  We underwrite the risk on the pipelines that are built.  Time to put a stop to the corporate welfare.  

You don't know anything About what you're saying. Pretty much all of that is untrue

[suds]

47 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

In Canada, it’s much more expensive to get bitumen out of the ground than oil elsewhere.  The price needs to be high. 
 

This is why I laugh at @PIK’s suggestion that oil prices would drop a lot if we would just let the oil companies have at it!   As if the oil companies would allow it to become less profitable for themselves. 
 

Oil is boom and bust.  Right now, there’s a boom due to the high world oil prices.  There will come a bust again where it’s not worth digging. 
 

Personally, I think we subsidize the oil industry so much now that we should nationalize at least a portion of it.  We bought them a money-losing pipeline.  We are talking about taxpayers funding more pipelines.  We underwrite the risk on the pipelines that are built.  Time to put a stop to the corporate welfare.  

I'd be happy with being self sufficient and not being dependent upon oil from the Saudi's and Venezuela. Or for that matter, Alberta oil from pipelines going to refineries in Ontario which have to pass through a number of northern U.S. states. Then as we add more wind, solar, nuclear,  hydro electric power, and the infrastructure to get the power where we want... we could gradually turn off the taps and weed ourselves off of fossil fuels. But I have no idea of how long that will take. And no politician can tell you that either. Carney's idea of weeding us off fossil fuels by 2030, well good luck with that.  No more fossil fuels to heat our homes or power transportation? Good luck with that too. We've got to be careful here. If covid taught us one thing, is that supply chains can't be depended on, and that wars wherever they may take place cause shortages. Best to be self sufficient especially in regards to food, medicine, vaccines, and energy. Whether any of this makes an ounce of business sense I don't really care either. Just get it done.

Edited Wednesday at 10:41 PM by suds

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I literally never have.  At all. Hell it doesnt even make sense. 

Oh yes you have and why doesn't make any sense at all.

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada is doing far worse than it should be doing, that much is true but of course you don't want to admit to the failures of your left wing gov't

LMAO...and that dog that bit you isn't mine either.

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What about them.

You tell me, show me how we're doing worse.

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ALL of that AND MORE happened as a direct result of the liberals bad policy. Nothng that happened in Missouri had anything to do with it. 

And yet it got even worse in Missouri too.

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Explain to me what exaclty Hati did that caused justin trudeau to borrow 100 billion dollars before covid even happened, or how sudan forced him to increase immigration vastly higher than we could possibly handle?

I haven't got a clue. Whatever it was it sure seems it got your goat.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

They are far worse because of people like you.

Life on our side of the bay is definitely better with a public dock. The water quality in the harbour makes it a nicer place to be as well. I assure you I definitely made the world a better place.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

People like you who will applaud Justin Trudeau and his corruption and try and blame the conservatives instead of thinking about your country and doing the right thing and voting him out.

You know the only thing I ever applauded Trudeau for was not acting like Trump during COVID. I mocked your gushing awe for Harper's T̶r̶a̶n̶s̶p̶a̶r̶e̶n̶c̶y̶ Catch and Release Act that Trudeau laughed at when he was being corrupt.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

People like you who spend all day lying that a carbon tax will somehow stop global warming while our economy falters to the point where we can't even afford to try something that might work next. 

We can't afford to do anything because decades of dedicated well funded denial that AGW is even real has been spectacularly successful. Our economy is faltering because it's unsustainable.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

People like you who's dishonesty and lowbrow thinking drags our economy and our country down and pollutes our children's future

Our harbour is definitely far less polluted than it was before my kids time. Granted there's a lot less economic industrial activity than there used to be but a sewage pump out helped for sure.

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

If you and your kind died tomorrow Canada would prosper. That's a simple truth. IT's your right to be that way and i would defend that right if it came to it, but that's the simple truth. You and your kind are the anchor that drags our country down. 

I suppose. Personally I wouldn't lift a finger to prevent it if you and your kind suddenly started dropping dead, your the bane of human existence.

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh yes you have and why doesn't make any sense at all.

 

I've never said it once, and it makes no sense because countries don't have 'lowest settings'.  What's the setting that's one up from the lowest? What is the highest setting?  I bet you think it's 11. 

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LMAO...and that dog that bit you isn't mine either.

Your gov't bud   You defend them religiously  

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You tell me, show me how we're doing worse.

I literally just did,

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And yet it got even worse in Missouri too.

And?

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I haven't got a clue. Whatever it was it sure seems it got your goat.

Again, makes no sense. 

 

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Life on our side of the bay is definitely better with a public dock. The water quality in the harbour makes it a nicer place to be as well. I assure you I definitely made the world a better place.

No you haven't.  But you HAVE to lie about it to try to make yourself feel better about your failure as a person. We've had that talk before as well.  

It's why you lie here all the time. It's why you try to blame harper for justin's behavior. It's why you think 24 hour body cams on politicians is great but the very idea of voters holding gov'ts responsible sends you into a mouth foaming tizzy. 

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You know the only thing I ever applauded Trudeau for was not acting like Trump during COVID. I mocked your gushing awe for Harper's T̶r̶a̶n̶s̶p̶a̶r̶e̶n̶c̶y̶ Catch and Release Act that Trudeau laughed at when he was being corrupt.

Not true at all, you constantly and consistantly defended trudeau and the libs ever since i've known you,

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We can't afford to do anything because decades of dedicated well funded denial that AGW is even real has been spectacularly successful. Our economy is faltering because it's unsustainable.

We just had 10 years of a gov't that had all the freedom in the world to do whatever it wanted about climate change and they chose a tax, and you fully supported them.  So no. denial wasn't the problem. You were the problem. 

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Our harbour is definitely far less polluted than it was before my kids time. Granted there's a lot less economic industrial activity than there used to be but a sewage pump out helped for sure.

Sounds like your usual lies.  "oh this thing that nobody can see is better but everything else i've advocated for and defended has killed the country so we're even right????"

You're a terrible person and a liar here, i have no doubt you are in real life as well. 

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I suppose. Personally I wouldn't lift a finger to prevent it if you and your kind suddenly started dropping dead, your the bane of human existence.

That's why you're a terrible person and i'm not.    

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Good. 

How come we are producing more oil than ever if this bill supposedly killed the industry?

The Liberals did massive damage to the oil and gas sector. There was over $100B in investments that went away within just a few months of Traiteau getting elected. 

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

We’re digging more oil than ever.  The industry is doing great. 

We sell 90% of our oil to the U.S.  But Trump's trade war has destroyed our trade relationship.  An oil company CEO just said we need to shift now to selling our oil (and gas) to the east and west, that is, to countries other than the U.S.  That is why the Liberals killing the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline to the west coast has really put us in a weak position.  It will take years to build pipelines.  

But if Carney sticks to his CO2 net zero, anti-pipeline, anti-energy industry stance, we are in big trouble.  It will be very difficult or impossible, if Carney is the PM, to get pipelines built and sell more oil to the rest of the world instead of the U.S.  While we are being hog tied by Carney and the Liberals/NDP, the rest of the world is pressing ahead to sell their oil and gas and build their economies.

Canada needs to change its whole approach and do everything to develop a booming economy and booming resource industries to protect us from the Trump trade war.

Edited yesterday at 04:26 AM by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

I didn’t like the way Trudeau wanted to deal with the capital gains tax issue, including for medical corporations. I’ve never had a corporation myself and I’m agnostic as to whether medical professionals should be considered as small businesses, given that the business risks they run are much, much smaller than your average guy opening a restaurant or store who faces the prospect of customers disappearing on a daily basis, but once you set up up tax rates that people make long-term decisions on, then arbitrarily increasing them by a large amount seems like a bad idea to me. Anyway, Carney says such changes will not happen which I think is a wise move. 

Edited 15 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I didn’t like the way Trudeau wanted to deal with the capital gains tax issue, including for medical corporations. I’ve never had a corporation myself and I’m agnostic as to whether medical professionals should be considered as small businesses, given that the business risks they run are much, much smaller than your average guy opening a restaurant or store who faces the prospect of customers disappearing on a daily basis, but once you set up up tax rates that people make long-term decisions on, then arbitrarily increasing them by a large amount seems like a bad idea to me. Anyway, Carney says such changes will not happen which I think is a wise move. 

But the very same liberals who voted that tax plan in are still there. Carney was the top adviser for trudeau when he came up with it.  

So he's cancelling it right now because he knows it's unpopular, but he was part of the team that brought it in and the rest of the team is the same. 

Why would you vote for people who brought in bad ideas before and only changed their tune long enough to win an election?

[SpankyMcFarland]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But the very same liberals who voted that tax plan in are still there. Carney was the top adviser for trudeau when he came up with it.  

So he's cancelling it right now because he knows it's unpopular, but he was part of the team that brought it in and the rest of the team is the same. 

Why would you vote for people who brought in bad ideas before and only changed their tune long enough to win an election?

It would extremely odd to agree with everything a party proposes or did. 

[WestCanMan]

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It would extremely odd to agree with everything a party proposes or did. 

All right, make a list. Name the things that they did that you liked and then let's make a list of the things they did that you don't like. If you are a sane and rational person that second list is going to be much larger.

If the liberals hadn't been in power for the last 10 years you might have a point but we know their track record. Their track record has been a disaster for Canada and that's being kind. So you can dodge the question all you like but at the end of the day what you're doing is voting for a group of people who have already devastated Canada and left it vulnerable and we will continue to do so. And given the number of broken promises they've had you have absolutely no grounds to argue that there's reason to believe they'll keep any of their promises now

[taxme]

On 4/1/2025 at 10:59 AM, blackbird said:

Many of us have been saying this all along, but usually ignored by the Liberals and left.

Canada is in a crisis with the average person unable to afford a home or the high rents, tent cities and homeless people in every town and city, failing health care system,  increasing numbers of people relying on food banks, and a soft-on-crime justice system that almost all the time catches and releases dangerous offenders who then go out to stab someone.

"For nine years, Canada has been on the wrong track. We’ve pushed away investment through excessive regulation, long approval timelines, and an unpredictable policy environment. We’ve discouraged risk-takers and entrepreneurs. We’ve punished the industries that built our economy — energy, mining, agriculture, and manufacturing — under the banner of climate virtue and political optics."

KLEIN: We’ve got bigger problems than Donald Trump

So why are some former conservative campaign advisers talking about changing the focus of the campaign to Trump?  What is there to say about Trump?  Most politicians know what we have to do.  Counter tariffs where sensible and build our economy back.  The disastrous past nine years is still the main problem in Canada.  It appears Liberals and media are using Trump for talking points.  That's all it is.

Carney just said resource projects can only proceed if they have free and informed consent of FNs.  There is the same old problem.  No federal leadership.  Rather bending over to a small handful of radical FNs, environmentalists, and leftists who oppose the progress and prosperity of Canada.  This proves nothing would change under Carney.

 

It is the native Indians, leftist liberals, NDP socialists communists and environ"mental" wackos that have tried to bury Canada into the sand for decades now. They have done everything within their power to try and turn Canada into a 3rd world multicultural hell hole and the appear to be succeeding. Corney will be no different. There is nothing that can get done until the government gets the blessing of the Indian feather. We are all captives now to the native Indians of Canada. All done on purpose, of course. 

Corney is a WEF globalist suck who is trying to implement the WEF globalist agenda of trying to flood Canada with as many people as they can from the 3rd world. If they succeed, Canada will become a majority non-white country in a decade to come. Canada is so screwed up thanks to liberalism and socialism. Both need to be eliminated. 😁

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It would extremely odd to agree with everything a party proposes or did. 

It's pretty odd that LPOC cultists hated everything that the conservatives said for 5 years, and suddenly when Mark Carney starts executing the conservative playbook, the Libbie cultists love those policies. 

Did they secretly hate everything that Trudeau was doing?