gatomontes99 Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 Those that subject themselves to the scurge of the century have relinquished freedom for security and got neither. The inevitable conclusion of all UHC is that the supply will be out paced by demand. The only solution is to pick winners and losers. The winners are the government. The losers are you. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 (edited) Bullshit. Three years I took my wife to emergency because she was having memory and mobility problems. A CT scan that night showed something in her brain. She was kept overnight and the next morning transported to a neurological unit in another hospital where an MRI confirmed a tumour. She was operated on the next week to remove the tumour. Unfortunately they couldn't remove it all because of the location and it turned out to be glioblastoma which is terminal. This was in the middle of COVID when hospitals were already maxed out. But hey, you saw it on X so it must be true. Edited March 24 by Aristides 1 Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: Bullshit. Three years I took my wife to emergency because she was having memory and mobility problems. A CT scan that night showed something in her brain. She was kept overnight and the next morning transported to a neurological unit in another hospital where an MRI confirmed a tumour. She was operated on the next week to remove the tumour. Unfortunately they couldn't remove it all because of the location and it turned out to be glioblastoma which is terminal. This was in the middle of COVID when hospitals were already maxed out. Sure. Lets see... oh, looks like American health care providers are picking up your slack: US radiology providers catering to patients facing long wait times for imaging in Canada https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/medical-practice-management/us-radiology-providers-catering-patients-facing-long-wait-times-imaging-canada "They're just coming down because they can't get into Canadian doctors on a timely manner when they're in so much pain," radiology services supervisor Jess Tanke told the CBC. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, User said: Sure. Lets see... oh, looks like American health care providers are picking up your slack: US radiology providers catering to patients facing long wait times for imaging in Canada https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/medical-practice-management/us-radiology-providers-catering-patients-facing-long-wait-times-imaging-canada "They're just coming down because they can't get into Canadian doctors on a timely manner when they're in so much pain," radiology services supervisor Jess Tanke told the CBC. That has always been the case. In Ontario, and I suspect other Provinces have used American medical assistance for as long as I can remember. Thing is, if you choose to do this on your own,you have to pick upt he tab. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: That has always been the case. In Ontario, and I suspect other Provinces have used American medical assistance for as long as I can remember. Thing is, if you choose to do this on your own,you have to pick upt he tab. To be fair, my Canadian friends complain quite frequently about their taxes as is. They are already picking up the tab for the mediocre health care they get for "free" and when you are faced with a possible brain tumor, waiting almost a year to get that checked out makes you want to pay extra... 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 14 minutes ago, User said: Sure. Lets see... oh, looks like American health care providers are picking up your slack: US radiology providers catering to patients facing long wait times for imaging in Canada https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/medical-practice-management/us-radiology-providers-catering-patients-facing-long-wait-times-imaging-canada "They're just coming down because they can't get into Canadian doctors on a timely manner when they're in so much pain," radiology services supervisor Jess Tanke told the CBC. For some things like joints yes but for potentially terminal ailments like cancer they do very well. 1 Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: For some things like joints yes but for potentially terminal ailments like cancer they do very well. Sure... Halifax woman waited 3 years for MRI that showed she had brain tumour https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-woman-3-years-mri-that-showed-she-had-brain-tumour-1.7398080 "A doctor at a hospital eye clinic referred Marina Atwell for diagnostic imaging of her brain in June 2021, a few months after a routine eye test detected one of her eyes was significantly weaker. She waited more than three years to learn that the problem, which was affecting her vision, was a growth impacting her optic nerve. " Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, User said: To be fair, my Canadian friends complain quite frequently about their taxes as is. They are already picking up the tab for the mediocre health care they get for "free" and when you are faced with a possible brain tumor, waiting almost a year to get that checked out makes you want to pay extra... Complaining is what Canadians do best The person that can expedite medical procedures is the doctor that is treating you. They are also the ones that do the paperwork to get to the best possible medical assistance, even to the US. "British Columbia announced it'll send nearly 5,000 patients over the next two years to the U.S. in order to receive cancer treatment." Of course, the US being a private system charge considerably more for the treatment. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 Looks like Nova Scotia has a problem 6 minutes ago, User said: Sure... Halifax woman waited 3 years for MRI that showed she had brain tumour https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-woman-3-years-mri-that-showed-she-had-brain-tumour-1.7398080 "A doctor at a hospital eye clinic referred Marina Atwell for diagnostic imaging of her brain in June 2021, a few months after a routine eye test detected one of her eyes was significantly weaker. She waited more than three years to learn that the problem, which was affecting her vision, was a growth impacting her optic nerve. " Looks like Nova Scotia has a problem. One thing many Americans don't understand is that even though we have universal health care through federal legislation and the feds do provide some funding, it is a provincial responsibility to provide it. Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Looks like Nova Scotia has a problem Looks like Nova Scotia has a problem. One thing many Americans don't understand is that even though we have universal health care through federal legislation and the feds do provide some funding, it is a provincial responsibility to provide it. Seems you don't understand this about your own country because you only chose to introduce this now to deflect to it being a Nova Scotia problem, as if this is some kind of distinction that makes a difference in regards to the point of this thread. Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 33 minutes ago, User said: Seems you don't understand this about your own country because you only chose to introduce this now to deflect to it being a Nova Scotia problem, as if this is some kind of distinction that makes a difference in regards to the point of this thread. If you say so but the fact remains, health care is a provincial jurisdiction and some things vary from province to province. Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: If you say so but the fact remains, health care is a provincial jurisdiction and some things vary from province to province. You should have thought of that before generalizing about the Canadian system as a whole. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Complaining is what Canadians do best The person that can expedite medical procedures is the doctor that is treating you. They are also the ones that do the paperwork to get to the best possible medical assistance, even to the US. "British Columbia announced it'll send nearly 5,000 patients over the next two years to the U.S. in order to receive cancer treatment." Of course, the US being a private system charge considerably more for the treatment. Does that not reinforce the point that UHC in Canada is not all that cracked up it is to be...some Canadians get lucky in their care but not are so lucky 5 patients have died in NB health care hospitals waiting in the waiting rooms....to see a doctor, due to a whole list of issues...it is in crises' mode, thats not complaining thats pointing out a problem that needs to be fixed... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 Americans don’t think there are misdiagnoses and delayed treatments in their country? 😂 Finding sensational and sad outliers is not the flex you think it is if there are also sensational and sad outliers in the USofA system. 2 Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Americans don’t think there are misdiagnoses and delayed treatments in their country? 😂 Finding sensational and sad outliers is not the flex you think it is if there are also sensational and sad outliers in the USofA system. Lets review...this is not a sensational or sad outlier. Thanks for trying though... US radiology providers catering to patients facing long wait times for imaging in Canada https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/medical-practice-management/us-radiology-providers-catering-patients-facing-long-wait-times-imaging-canada "They're just coming down because they can't get into Canadian doctors on a timely manner when they're in so much pain," radiology services supervisor Jess Tanke told the CBC. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 58 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Americans don’t think there are misdiagnoses and delayed treatments in their country? 😂 Finding sensational and sad outliers is not the flex you think it is if there are also sensational and sad outliers in the USofA system. True enough there is no perfect system, but BC sending 5000 patients to the us for care....thats a flashing red light not some sensational outliers....Having 5 people die in waiting rooms waiting to see a doctor because wait times are well over 14 hours........is not sensational thats another flashing red light that something needs to be fixed...If your only going to compare the two systems and and down play the real issues, your being dishonest 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: True enough there is no perfect system, but BC sending 5000 patients to the us for care....thats a flashing red light not some sensational outliers....Having 5 people die in waiting rooms waiting to see a doctor because wait times are well over 14 hours........is not sensational thats another flashing red light that something needs to be fixed...If your only going to compare the two systems and and down play the real issues, your being dishonest 5, eh? Thats really tragic and should never happen in a country like ours. 5 is really bad. From Google AI: While it's difficult to pinpoint an exact number of deaths in US hospital waiting rooms, a 2023 study by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (RCEM) estimated that almost 14,000 excess deaths were associated with waits of 12 hours or longer in emergency departments, according to RCEM. Quote
herbie Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 As I often tell American defenders of their health system - Canadian doctors are so f*cking good they can tell you blew your head off with a shotgun without needing an MRI first. Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, herbie said: As I often tell American defenders of their health system - Canadian doctors are so f*cking good they can tell you blew your head off with a shotgun without needing an MRI first. If only we simply had the state to help us kill ourselves like you do instead... 21 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 5, eh? Thats really tragic and should never happen in a country like ours. 5 is really bad. He is clearly talking about people literally dying in the waiting room... and you compare that to an "excess death" statistical analysis that long wait times led to poorer outcomes later that resulted in death. Do you see how dishonest you were here? Quote
herbie Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 28 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 5, eh? Thats really tragic You're conversing with the worst of Americans. No one ever dies in the waiting room of a US hospital and and only they don't have communist medicine. The whole rest of the world is wrong, as usual. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 34 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 5, eh? Thats really tragic and should never happen in a country like ours. 5 is really bad. From Google AI: While it's difficult to pinpoint an exact number of deaths in US hospital waiting rooms, a 2023 study by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (RCEM) estimated that almost 14,000 excess deaths were associated with waits of 12 hours or longer in emergency departments, according to RCEM. That is bad for a small province like NB, and that is just in one small city of fredericton......and in no way does it scream our healthcare is better than yours...and as to your point how many Canadians have died while waiting to see a doctor...I'm sure it is going to be more than we would like... lets not forget US has 10 times our population 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nationalist Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 16 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Those that subject themselves to the scurge of the century have relinquished freedom for security and got neither. The inevitable conclusion of all UHC is that the supply will be out paced by demand. The only solution is to pick winners and losers. The winners are the government. The losers are you. I have a problem with this. Yes...there are long wait lists for many procedures. We've all heard about them. But I went for a simple stress test on my ticker, and had 2 stints installed within 2 weeks. So ya...there's that. IMO...our issue is less the system and more the availability of doctors. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Bullshit. Three years I took my wife to emergency because she was having memory and mobility problems. A CT scan that night showed something in her brain. She was kept overnight and the next morning transported to a neurological unit in another hospital where an MRI confirmed a tumour. She was operated on the next week to remove the tumour. Unfortunately they couldn't remove it all because of the location and it turned out to be glioblastoma which is terminal. This was in the middle of COVID when hospitals were already maxed out. But hey, you saw it on X so it must be true. What hospital? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
gatomontes99 Posted March 24 Author Report Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I have a problem with this. Yes...there are long wait lists for many procedures. We've all heard about them. But I went for a simple stress test on my ticker, and had 2 stints installed within 2 weeks. So ya...there's that. IMO...our issue is less the system and more the availability of doctors. And that proves my point. Demand will always out pace supply. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Nationalist Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: And that proves my point. Demand will always out pace supply. Agreed Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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