Zeitgeist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Drop social justice? Like I said the CBC made the relative merits of the concept of being Canadian obvious, and AFAIC social justice is very near the top of a list of these merits. Social justice in the sense of Marxist redistribution schemes or simply calling attention to plights and proposed solutions? There’s a big difference between identifying a problem and ways of describing and fixing a problem versus advocating for one definition of and solution to a problem. The first approach is called journalism; the second is called political activism. CBC has blurred those lines far too often. If you want an activist CBC, pay for it. I don’t want a penny of our taxes funding radical narratives. Edited March 3 by Zeitgeist Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: the second is called political activism. CBC has blurred those lines far too often. let the Bolshevik traitors against the British Crown in North America suffer the consequences of their lunacy, as the American Fenians run roughshod over the Colours therein ; just desserts "destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" ~ John 2:19 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I'm not sure that it's wielded as a political tool for anyone's benefit. You seem sane, so I would accept any evidence you have... Since it's such a subjective claim, I'm not sure what sort of evidence you're looking for. For my part, maybe rather than saying the CBC is a tool deliberately wielded for specific aims, I should clarify that I mean it's become political, and its objectivity is compromised by how it and the Liberal Party butter each other's bread. 17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: And any insight into the management structure would also be informative. The Board of the CBC is appointed directly by Parliament. The way it should be, and the way it is elsewhere with more successful public broadcasters, is that the Board is appointed at arm's length by an independent body, ensuring a measure of non-partisanship. The conflict of interest in the status-quo is obvious, and regardless of how well-meaning the CBC's leadership is, that conflict will manifest in a myriad of ways - sometimes obvious (like Catherine Tait going to war with Pierre Poilievre) and sometimes more insidiously. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: Social justice in the sense of Marxist redistribution schemes or simply calling attention to plights and proposed solutions? Social justice in the sense of the original meaning of the term woke - awareness of social injustice. And socioeconomic injustice in the sense of what Jesus would do, not Marx. 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: There’s a big difference between identifying a problem and ways of describing and fixing a problem versus advocating for one definition of and solution to a problem. The first approach is called journalism; the second is called political activism. CBC has blurred those lines far too often. If you want an activist CBC, pay for it. I don’t want a penny of our taxes funding radical narratives. Please go flush out your bullshit filter and get a grip...FFS. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: Social justice in the sense of the original meaning of the term woke - awareness of social injustice. long since co-opted by the Neoliberal Globalist banksters as a mechanism to silence dissent, hence how Donald Trump came to impose chaos upon so called "Canada" therein, just desserts for a fake country Marxist Post National State ; get some Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: 1. Since it's such a subjective claim, I'm not sure what sort of evidence you're looking for. For my part, maybe rather than saying the CBC is a tool deliberately wielded for specific aims, I should clarify that I mean it's become political, and its objectivity is compromised by how it and the Liberal Party butter each other's bread. 2. The Board of the CBC is appointed directly by Parliament. The way it should be, and the way it is elsewhere with more successful public broadcasters, is that the Board is appointed at arm's length by an independent body, ensuring a measure of non-partisanship. The conflict of interest in the status-quo is obvious, and regardless of how well-meaning the CBC's leadership is, that conflict will manifest in a myriad of ways - sometimes obvious (like Catherine Tait going to war with Pierre Poilievre) and sometimes more insidiously. 1. If not evidence, then what happened to convince you things had changed? I don't watch CBC News. I find all TV news superficial anyway. 2. I'd be okay with that. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Zeitgeist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Social justice in the sense of the original meaning of the term woke - awareness of social injustice. And socioeconomic injustice in the sense of what Jesus would do, not Marx. Please go flush out your bullshit filter and get a grip...FFS. I want facts when I watch or listen to news. If opinion is included, ideally a variety of perspectives that capture the various arguments are presented. At that point the listener or viewer has the information, agency, and critical thinking to determine whether action is needed and what kind. There’s nothing wrong with the feel-good inspirational philanthropic segments that most news broadcasts include that are about charity and are relatively apolitical. A healthy democracy demands a free press and trusts citizens to make informed decisions. CBC editorializes too much, and when it does so, the range of “acceptable views” is distinctly left and centre left. It didn’t used to be so obvious or monolithic. Edited March 4 by Zeitgeist Quote
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 7 hours ago, eyeball said: I'm aware of it. I've had to post links to him myself when pointing out his concern to deniers. The reason I don't believe him is because of the numbers of his supporters I've talked to who simply don't give a shit. Pretty much if he's implying his plan is a good alternative to the existing tax. What makes people think the same costs won't be passed on to us under PP's plan? Millions of ordinary Canadians care. You cared but you gave up. It looks like you gave up giving a shit about virtue signalling too. And yet here we are talking about PP plans for climate change.... So supporters are making big political decisions now....like the guy that lives on your street, he is influencing PP...Funny how you can believe all the liberal crap about climate change but nothing when it comes to conservatives views....Michael is a conservative he has concerns about climate change...is he full of sh!t to.... Has he said they won't be passed on, has he lied about any of his plans....i get it lieing is something you seem to ignore, or perfer as in your mind every politicians lies.... which might be true, but if your going to lie to me at least make it believable...liberals can't even do that right now....i would prefer politicians be honest...which is a pretty important trait for me... Millions of canadians oppose the carbon tax, almost 70 % want the carbon tax taken away....if it cost Canadians some money they are not for climate change....Your right , carbon taxes are a scam, the government invented it to make you think we were doing something about climate change, when as of today we have only meet 10 % of our goal and signed treaty obligations...and we have been doing this for how long....Crises my a$$... SO much the government could have done with that money collected from carbon taxes that would have made making our goals that much easier....heavily rebating the change from furnace oil to heat pumps, solar panels, in each home, building our electrical infra structure, drastically reducing EV cars and trucks, putting in more infrastructure for EV cars and trucks...instead what did we get more liberal lies....and we wonder why people are giving up the entire climate change issue... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: A healthy democracy demands a free press and trusts citizens to make informed decisions. First of all though it needs informed citizens who can be trusted to tell shit from shinola If people need a reminder about the importance of critical thinking I'm sure the CBC could include something like a subtle disclaimer that assumes that's occurring. It would be up to you to figure out what that means. 12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: CBC editorializes too much, and when it does so, the range of “acceptable views” is distinctly left and centre left. It didn’t used to be so obvious or monolithic. Meh... I've gotten pissed off at softball off point questions and news stories about fishing issues important to me on occassion. Once I was baited by a cbc interviewer digging for controversy to include in his story. It was obvious and I was able to stay on script. I didn't see too many other news outlets doing a better or worse job to cover things. You had to go look for them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 7 hours ago, eyeball said: Hey, you know full well I have little regard for the lack of transparency at the level that CEO's and Cabinet Ministers exist. That's an entirely different topic however. If it's come to the point the only way to address this is to shut down our institutions then so be it I guess. He wants to address the fact that this business should not be sponsored by the government at all...if they can not stay in business then we should let the chips fall where they fall...Plenty of news media corps out there to fill the gap... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And yet here we are talking about PP plans for climate change.... I'm still talking about supporters of PP who don't believe or give a shit about climate change and loath virtue signalling about it like they loath Trudeau. 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: SO much the government could have done with that money collected from carbon taxes that would have made making our goals that much easier 90% of what was collected was given back to Canadians to make meeting their goals easier themselves. Surely, you'd rather have Canadians deciding how best to do that wouldn't you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: He wants to address the fact that this business should not be sponsored by the government at all...if they can not stay in business then we should let the chips fall where they fall...Plenty of news media corps out there to fill the gap... Not really. I mean sure if you want to count anyone with an opinion and a blog a journalist, otherwise reliable quality news outlets are increasingly unable to stand on their own. The big so-called legacy media outlets that are thriving are horizontally integrated into huge corporate conglomerates that can afford them. You think the public will have enough of a bullshit filter to compete against the bias dominating the media landscape then? Good luck. You can bet the big corporate media outlets are thrilled at the thought of squelching out public broadcasters. You're playing into their hands the way climate change deniers play into fossil fuel industries. Edited March 4 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm still talking about supporters of PP who don't believe or give a shit about climate change and loath virtue signalling about it like they loath Trudeau. 90% of what was collected was given back to Canadians to make meeting their goals easier themselves. Surely, you'd rather have Canadians deciding how best to do that wouldn't you? And i'm still saying most Canadians don't care about climate change if they have to pay for it....thats liberal, conservative and ndp... Thats a fantastic plan....you give me 20 dollars and i give you 18 back and poof climate change is gone....you have peace of mind, the government is getting free funds from the tax it's a win win really...not sure why you can't follow the money.... If Canadians really cared about climate change one would think they would not mind if the government sponsored major projects with that money collected like changing home heating with furnace oil to heat pumps, or drastically reduce solar power costs for homes, reduce EV,s just those three would have reduced our carbon by more than 10 % like we have done.... instead a majority of Canadians have said NO to carbon taxes, even the liberals have did a 180 on carbon taxes, not because carbon taxes work because they don't...but because it is unpopular with the people....it was never about the climate crises is what i'm saying it was about keep the people happy... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Not really. I mean sure if you want to count anyone with an opinion and a blog a journalist, otherwise reliable quality news outlets are increasingly unable to stand on their own. The big so-called legacy media outlets that are thriving are horizontally integrated into huge corporate conglomerates that can afford them. You think the public will have enough of a bullshit filter to compete against the bias dominating the media landscape then? Good luck. I have no problem finding quality news media outlets....I'm sure everyone else can as well, if CBC is your main service then they should have a subscription service, the ROC should not have to pay for this business to stay afloat...unless it is a loan...can't afford to stay in business, then fold ,step aside and CTV or the other dozens of media outlets will step up. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: And i'm still saying most Canadians don't care about climate change if they have to pay for it....thats liberal, conservative and ndp... I get that loud and clear don't worry. It still doesn't explain how self respecting conservatives who don't believe a word of it and who've put so much effort into railing against carbon tax and pricing will hold their noses and vote for it anyway. It's hilarious. 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ..it was never about the climate crises is what i'm saying it was about keep the people happy... Why does PP need to do this if the majority of Canadians don't give a shit? Like I said, it's hilarious. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I have no problem finding quality news media outlets....I'm sure everyone else can as well, if CBC is your main service then they should have a subscription service, the ROC should not have to pay for this business to stay afloat...unless it is a loan...can't afford to stay in business, then fold ,step aside and CTV or the other dozens of media outlets will step up. And you just don't care about the domination of the media landscape with corporate bias and what about the case for having a public broadcaster in the event of a major disaster or a challenge to our sovereignty? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 Apparently not. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, eyeball said: And you just don't care about the domination of the media landscape with corporate bias and what about the case for having a public broadcaster in the event of a major disaster or a challenge to our sovereignty? No i don't care , i get my news from several different outlets as they all have a different take on each story...., you think the CBC is the only outlet that can tell you the world is ending or we are under attack....it is what they do report the news..and most of them do it without major government dollars Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: you think the CBC is the only outlet that can tell you the world is ending or we are under attack.. I just think the reasons for getting rid of it are stupid and pathetic. I also don't see any of our peers seized with the same moral panic over public broadcasting gripping Canada. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I just think the reasons for getting rid of it are stupid and pathetic. I also don't see any of our peers seized with the same moral panic over public broadcasting gripping Canada. They don't want to get rid of it they want to defund it....with taxpayers money....What CBC offers is already out there, what people do want to here, can be purchased like any other media outlet...CBC is not going away, just it's federal money... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Quote I’m not for losing the CBC, but it needs to drop the woke shit. Drop social justice? And that right there is why the CBC can never be salvaged. the woke left simply cannot understand that they are meant to be a news agency and a neutral party, they can't even fathom the idea that it shouldn't be An activist platform. It's job and it's mandate was never social justice. It's mandate was to inform and to help Canadian creators create Canadian content But the left will always see it as their personal activist network and for that reason it must be destroyed Quote
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 30 minutes ago, Army Guy said: They don't want to get rid of it they want to defund it....with taxpayers money....What CBC offers is already out there, what people do want to here, can be purchased like any other media outlet...CBC is not going away, just it's federal money... And with it the public's broadcaster. Why isn't anyone else taking about removing funding or privatizing their public broadcasters? I'd like to go back to funding our military with bonds. Let people put their money where the mouth is I say. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: the woke left simply cannot understand that they are meant to be a news agency and a neutral party, Being neutral about social justice is why the right wing is morally bankrupt. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 9 hours ago, eyeball said: Drop social justice? CBC's contribution to social justice is like North Korea's contribution to rock and roll. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: CBC's contribution to social justice is like North Korea's contribution to rock and roll. North Korea's contribution to Putin's efforts is like America's. Timely and appreciated. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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