TreeBeard Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Remember Putin saying he hoped Harris would win the presidency? If you believe him or Trump on this that's some kind of willful ignorance! Trump and Putin apologists sure have a lot in common. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 18 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Remember Putin saying he hoped Harris would win the presidency? If you believe him or Trump on this that's some kind of willful ignorance! Putin is demonstrably smarter than trump. And at the end of the day trump just isn't about deception. He says what's in his head at that moment. Remember when everyone thought he wasn't serious about Canada being a 51st state? If trump says he wants the liberals and he wants the liberals in. He could change 5 minutes from now I'll grant you that but right now that's what he believes. And it's very easy to see why. So it's a very logical thing for him to say. By the way I actually think Putin would have been just fine with harris winning the election. He's being forced to negotiate with trump right now because trump will go full ape on him if he doesn't, but he would have rather just kept fighting the war till eventually he won and Ukraine collapsed and he could have gotten away with that under her. I think his whole point in saying who he'd like to see when was just to stir the crap and turn one American against another and create chaos. Quote
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: There's no doubt in my mind he would rather have the liberals in power. Oh for sure, I mean anyone could see the relationship between Trump and Trudeau was a classic bromance. LMAO! Carney could think circles around Trump and outwit his cabinet of lickspittles in his sleep and they all know it. If they tried to pull a Zelenskyy on him l suspect he'd just walk out and tell them to get back to us when they're serious. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Barquentine Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Putin is demonstrably smarter than trump. Only thing I agree with. But Trump has people around him who would suggest this. It's such a transparent ploy I can't believe you won't admit it. Quote
Barquentine Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 17 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If trump says he wants the liberals and he wants the liberals in. And if I were a suspicious bloke, I wouldn't put it past PeePee to contact someone with access, to ask Trump to say something negative like that! But I'm not really a suspicious bloke. Quote
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Barquentine said: But Trump has people around him who would suggest this I'm not so sure the people surrounding Trump would stick their necks out by suggesting Putin is smarter than him. Putin likewise is surrounded by lickspittles that are used to just telling him what he wants to hear. This detachment from what's actually happening in the world is what makes autocrats so dangerous and unpredictable. In both cases the populations they rule are the only things that will ever penetrate the wall these men have constructed around themselves. In both cases they will likely also have to push through lines of police and security forces to be heard. U.S. could lose democracy status, says global watchdog It's not just the scope of what Trump's done that has Lindberg envisioning the once-unthinkable: removing the U.S. from the democratic list and shifting it to the second-lowest tier among five, to a so-called electoral autocracy. It's also the speed. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7486317 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Barquentine Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm not so sure the people surrounding Trump would stick their necks out by suggesting Putin is smarter than him. No , not that - they would suggest he should say he prefers Carney to PeePee. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Oh for sure, I mean anyone could see the relationship between Trump and Trudeau was a classic bromance.s. ummm.... I know you don't read the papers much (or read much period) And I really hate to break this to you but Trudeau's actually gone. He won't be running again. I know this probably upsets you to see your hero out the door but.... 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Carney could think circles around Trump and outwit his cabinet of lickspittles in his sleep and they all know it. But he's a coward, and he's focused on his own self-interest. Trump can work with that. Plus carney has a lot of business interests in the united states, a lot of its investments are there. Trump knows he can hurt him. A man is smarter than a leopard, but in the jungle the leopard has the edge anyway Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: And if I were a suspicious bloke, I wouldn't put it past PeePee to contact someone with access, to ask Trump to say something negative like that! But I'm not really a suspicious bloke. That's not suspicious, this delusional. " Oh a nobody from the country I've been making fun of has been sending me secret instructions, I must obey!" LOL give your head a shake I'm fairly confident even you don't believe that crap Trump says what he believes. What he believes is often wrong or mildly delusional but it's what he believes. That's one of the things about him that's absolutely consistent. There's little doubt in my mind he would prefer a liberal government. If you want to put a positive spin on it then the correct answer is look, trump says he can work with us and didn't say that about Poilievre. But don't try and sell me on the idea that somehow trump is being manipulated by anyone from Canada. Edited March 20 by CdnFox Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 20 Author Report Posted March 20 4 hours ago, eyeball said: If they tried to pull a Zelenskyy on him l suspect he'd just walk out and tell them to get back to us when they're serious. He has already told him there won’t be talks until the 51st state idiocy ends. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/carney-calls-trumps-51-state-remarks-disrespectful-as-international-media-takes-notice Annexation comments 'need to stop before any conversation about our broader partnership with the U.S.,' Mark Carney said 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 43 minutes ago, CdnFox said: ummm.... I know you don't read the papers much (or read much period) And I really hate to break this to you but Trudeau's actually gone. He won't be running again. I know this probably upsets you to see your hero out the door but.... Like it hurt PP? Have you read any polls lately? LMAO! 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But he's a coward, and he's focused on his own self-interest. Trump can work with that. Plus carney has a lot of business interests in the united states, a lot of its investments are there. Trump knows he can hurt him. I suppose, Carney OTOH might feel that being PM will put him in the best position to protect his interests. Trump is exposed in Canada too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Barquentine Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: That's not suspicious, this delusional. Sorry, I slipped up. Conspiracy theories are a right wing thing. Won't happen again. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Like it hurt PP? Have you read any polls lately? What's that got to do with whether or not Trudeau is still here? Oh I understand, you realize you said something insanely stupid and are now trying to change the subject to make yourself look slightly less stupid. Bad news, that's kind of stupid. Quote I suppose, Carney OTOH might feel that being PM will put him in the best position to protect his interests. Trump is exposed in Canada too. I'm sure that is what carney feels. That's why he doesn't want to talk about conflict of interest and yelled at Roseanne Barton of all people for asking. I doubt trump cares about his assets in Canada, I'm sure he's confident he can always find a way this gulf more money from his position as president Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: Trump says what he believes. What he believes is often wrong or mildly delusional but it's what he believes. That's one of the things about him that's absolutely consistent. Not always. Often he says things that he knows to be false The defining characteristic of Trump isn’t whether he is liar or is too unfiltered to lie. The defining characteristic of Teump and the MAGA/right wing populist movement generally is that it is post-truth. This means that truth and beliefs simply don’t matter one way or the other and are not a factor in anything they say. In fact you’ll find that often they don’t have many well-formed beliefs at all. They mostly only have wants. They will say whatever they think it takes in the moment to satisfy their wants whether it’s based in truth or an absurd outlandish lie doesn’t matter. It could be a big want like annexing Canada and Greenland or a small impulsive want like deflecting a reporter’s embarrassing question. This is why they’re immune to embarrassment when their false claims are fact checked, debunked or exposed as illogical or hypocritical, it simply doesn’t matter to them or their supporters. 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: There's little doubt in my mind he would prefer a liberal government. If you want to put a positive spin on it then the correct answer is look, trump says he can work with us and didn't say that about Poilievre. But don't try and sell me on the idea that somehow trump is being manipulated by anyone from Canada. We know Trump was doing more of his bullshitting because practically in the same breath he said that he said Trudeau was the worst and “nastiest” he had ever dealt with and also that he has said publicly that he doesn’t know anything about PP except that he’s stupid for not being MAGA. And IIRC not too long ago Trump once spoke positively about the then-expected conservative landslide victory in Canada. That sounds like the exact opposite of preferring liberals to conservatives. And of course there has never been a conservative government since Trump entered politics so what would he base any assessment of them on anyways? Trump’s comments is just another example of the world’s dumbest politician making the world’s most obvious attempt of reverse psychology possibly because he prefers conservatives and definitely because he’s trying to cover up for the damage he’s done to conservative parties across the western world Trump’s political incompetence has done more to boost the failing left and centre-left parties across Europe and Canada than anything else. Honestly it’s the Liberals who ought to be saying that they prefer Trump to Democrats. Edited March 20 by BeaverFever 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Not always. Often he says things that he knows to be false The defining characteristic of Trump isn’t whether he is liar or is too unfiltered to lie. The defining characteristic of Teump and the MAGA/right wing populist movement generally is that it is post-truth Sorry kid but that's just a lie that you tell yourself to try and make yourself feel better about Not being able to substantiate your claims. It's just utterly false. And his lies like that which cost the democrats the election in the first place. People, even non-maga types, are just sick to death of the obvious lies repeated again and again and again. Trump gets away with his nonsense because most people recognize it for what it is. He deludes himself into believing what he's saying is true regardless of whether it is or it isn't. Just like you do, except Is generally don't last more than a month or so and then he changes his tune on it So if trump is kind of baked into the cake, everybody treats it as a bit of a joke. But you guys demand to be taken seriously and nobody does because all you do is come up with fabrications And the proof of it is you can't ever address any of the points I raise which are valid and demonstrable. Quote We know Trump was doing more of his bullshitting because practically in the same breath he said that he said Trudeau was the worst and “nastiest” he had ever dealt with and also that he has said publicly that he doesn’t know anything about PP except that he’s stupid for not being MAGA. That makes no sense, and if you had 1 mm of objectivity you would realize that. Trudeau is gone. If the liberals get elected it won't be trudeau. So your claims there are just asinine. On top of it even if Trudeau were running trump can hate him and still think he's the easiest guy to push around. He's been pushing him around for 2 terms now And he was pretty clear that while he thinks he'd be better off with the liberals in he doesn't really care and it's not a big deal to him, so 'not knowing' PP well is irrelevant. He did say PP said bad things about him which he thought was stupid. So again this is all an exercise in self-delusion in your mind. You come up with a conclusion that you like and then you desperately try to come up with some species of logic sounding argument that leads to that conclusion and it's just not possible. Which makes you sound like an !diot to anybody that has any kind of logical brain. This is a simple as it gets. Trump thinks the liberals are weak and that he can get along with them because he can push them around. So he said he thinks he's better off with them. And he meant it for now. He also said it really wasn't a big deal so it's not like it's a super strong opinion or anything like that. But it's very obvious that he would prefer to see liberals in rather than PP. Thanks for the liberals, but you've decided it's a bad sounding thing because you're trying to make it that trump just loves poilievre and Poilievre loves trump and that doesn't fit your narrative so instead you're going to lie and create a bunch of absolutely Puerile pap In a desperate effort to try and defend your preconceived belief. Grow up Quote
PIK Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: You give him to much credit, most people don't think he is that smart.....i mean picking a fight with the entire world thats smart....said nobody... Carney climate policies will give american business an huge advantage...why would he not prefer Carney... Just read a furniture company is moving to the states. 170 jobs gone. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 53 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sorry kid but that's just a lie that you tell yourself to try and make yourself feel better about Not being able to substantiate your claims. It's just utterly false. And his lies like that which cost the democrats the election in the first place. People, even non-maga types, are just sick to death of the obvious lies repeated again and again and again. Trump gets away with his nonsense because most people recognize it for what it is. He deludes himself into believing what he's saying is true regardless of whether it is or it isn't. Just like you do, except Is generally don't last more than a month or so and then he changes his tune on it So if trump is kind of baked into the cake, everybody treats it as a bit of a joke. But you guys demand to be taken seriously and nobody does because all you do is come up with fabrications And the proof of it is you can't ever address any of the points I raise which are valid and demonstrable. That makes no sense, and if you had 1 mm of objectivity you would realize that. Trudeau is gone. If the liberals get elected it won't be trudeau. So your claims there are just asinine. On top of it even if Trudeau were running trump can hate him and still think he's the easiest guy to push around. He's been pushing him around for 2 terms now And he was pretty clear that while he thinks he'd be better off with the liberals in he doesn't really care and it's not a big deal to him, so 'not knowing' PP well is irrelevant. He did say PP said bad things about him which he thought was stupid. So again this is all an exercise in self-delusion in your mind. You come up with a conclusion that you like and then you desperately try to come up with some species of logic sounding argument that leads to that conclusion and it's just not possible. Which makes you sound like an !diot to anybody that has any kind of logical brain. This is a simple as it gets. Trump thinks the liberals are weak and that he can get along with them because he can push them around. So he said he thinks he's better off with them. And he meant it for now. He also said it really wasn't a big deal so it's not like it's a super strong opinion or anything like that. But it's very obvious that he would prefer to see liberals in rather than PP. Thanks for the liberals, but you've decided it's a bad sounding thing because you're trying to make it that trump just loves poilievre and Poilievre loves trump and that doesn't fit your narrative so instead you're going to lie and create a bunch of absolutely Puerile pap In a desperate effort to try and defend your preconceived belief. Grow up PP policies is actually what trump wants. PP will fix the border, the drug issues, rebuild the military and Trump will have little to whine shout. Carney is to arrogant to try and work with Trump. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 20 minutes ago, PIK said: Just read a furniture company is moving to the states. 170 jobs gone. Yeah, company in the lower mainland. But in fairness they claim that this move was in the works for quite some time and that Carolina where they already have an operating facility is closer to where their market is. I don't know, it does seem like they must have been planning this for a while and it's not necessarily I'm about trump's tariffs but who knows Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 20 Author Report Posted March 20 (edited) The last 10 polls have the Libs within the margin of error (tied) or leading. This is an absolute disaster for the Cons who were up 20+ points a few weeks ago! What can/should the Cons do to change this around and appeal more to voters? source: 338canada.com Edited March 20 by TreeBeard Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 20 Author Report Posted March 20 (edited) A Libs majority has become the most likely outcome based on current projections. source:338canada.com Edited March 20 by TreeBeard Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: The last 10 polls have the Libs within the margin of error (tied) or leading. This is an absolute disaster for the Cons who were up 20+ points a few weeks ago! What can/should the Cons do to change this around and appeal more to voters? source: 338canada.com That's simple, what carney talk as much as possible. Get the questions about him out there and get people asking them and he will drop as quickly as he rose Quote
Army Guy Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: A Libs majority has become the most likely outcome based on current projections. source:338canada.com We'll see when the fat lady sings who is elected and who looks for another job..And if Canadians have not had enough of a liberal government then that's democracy....and we will have to live with the results... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: We'll see when the fat lady sings who is elected and who looks for another job..And if Canadians have not had enough of a liberal government then that's democracy....and we will have to live with the results... I am not sure Canadians have had enough of Liberal...I am certain that Canadians (and Americans and other Countries ) have had enough of Justin Trudeau though. Edited March 20 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: I am not sure Canadians have had enough of Liberal...I am certain that Canadians (and Americans and other Countries have had enough of Justin Trudeau.) They definitely had enough of the liberals, but they believed that this is some sort of new liberal entity that's completely different. But as they look into it they're going to see this is exactly the same except with more corporate greed and capitalism which they supposedly don't really like I think Courtney's popularity ends when he starts to talk. Right now most of his new support is coming from the NDP, not the conservatives and I have to wonder if all of those NDP voters are going to be okay with a guy who invested in oil pipelines and gave elon musk his seed money for the purchase of twitter. Quote
PIK Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: Yeah, company in the lower mainland. But in fairness they claim that this move was in the works for quite some time and that Carolina where they already have an operating facility is closer to where their market is. I don't know, it does seem like they must have been planning this for a while and it's not necessarily I'm about trump's tariffs but who knows More to do with Trudeaus policies, i would think. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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