Liberals halt funds for search for residential school graves after zero graves found

[herbie]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, cry me a river herbie.....the money has been flowing. If poor management by the natives keeps it from getting to them

Are you going to buy the rest of those stereotypes as well?
FFS I live between 2 big reserves, and there are many more within a days drive. Yeah there were f*ckups before, but get out and look at what's changed in 40 years. Stores, supermarkets, gas stations, Band Offices full of employees and responsible leaders just like the Municipal Office in your town. Firefighters, garbage collectors, public works employees and projects, sawmills, trucking companies owned by natives that do work in the towns, for the govt, on the pipelines.
Yeah I know a couple mills that failed, one in the 1980s from what people claim always happens, one in 2008 because of market demand. I've also seen umpteen chopstick plants, pellet mills, biomass, hydrogen plants, and the like owned by white people and offshore outfits fail the instant their startup grants run out too. Scams.

Goddamn it I've seen Band efforts on drugs, burning down a crackhouse to train their firsfighters while two at the end of our block carried on for years. I've worked beside many native people, for them, hired them as employees, contractors, and been on committees and political constituent boards with them, dined, drank, befriended, have kids married into them and 3 grandkids with status. They're about as 'different' as my churchy evangelical sisters or my Sikh friends.
So I get bloody sick of people endlessly digging up old stereotypes and painting all with the same brush. That is the dictionary definition of racism and is as unacceptable in this day and age as posting about watermelons, fried chicken, chitlins and stealing hubcaps in a response.

 

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, herbie said:

OMG they did not disprove anything, they simply did not prove otherwise.

As I went out of my way to point out 99% of this shit was sensationalism. A couple of people said 'mass graves' out loud and it was reported everywhere.
Like how some woman walking down the street in New York and was stabbed so some ladies in Burns Lake feels unsafe to walk down the street. And my stepdaughter that walks her 11 yr old daughter a whole block and a half to school because 'all this shit is happening out there' and lived in f*cking Terrace. Half the TV stations on the local repeaters here used to be from Detroit as there were mostly shift workers and I met many people that wouldn't go to Vancouver because it wasn't safe!

I am using that same logic and I'm not accusing, simply accepting it probably did happen on occasion. I do not take the many stories of some of nuns taking the babies from pregnant residential school girls and burying them alive as truth, but if a kid died at school and no one claimed the body WTF were they supposed to do with them. Had they marked the grave and recorded it, no problem.
So rather than accuse people we can at least acknowledge shit happened, apologize and move on. You and I didn't do it (we were f*cking lied to like everyone else back then) but we can move on and prevent future grievances. Like trying to claim constitutionally in the 1980s that white people that lived in towns who spoke French instead of English were the Distinct Society and ignoring the native population on the rez's completely.

herbie...they spent over $200 million and over 3 years and found nothing....sounds like it disprove their claims and accusations to me,....and everyone else LOL

So yes, we agree..."sensationalism" by the natives!!!

New York? Burns Lake? Terrace? Detroit? herbie.... you are going off the rails LOL

No herbie, you are not using logic.  By saying "it probably did happen on occasion" you are climbing up the maybe tree LOL.  it is like me saying to you "are you still beating your wife....maybe"?

No, we cannot "at least acknowledge shit happened". Hearsay and unfounded accusation do not make truth.

You are sliding into oblivion. You have lost the argument and trying to convince yourself you have a basis for your dreams and there is none and investigation has found none. Your pedestal is crumbling LOL

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Are you going to buy the rest of those stereotypes as well?
FFS I live between 2 big reserves, and there are many more within a days drive. Yeah there were f*ckups before, but get out and look at what's changed in 40 years. Stores, supermarkets, gas stations, Band Offices full of employees and responsible leaders just like the Municipal Office in your town. Firefighters, garbage collectors, public works employees and projects, sawmills, trucking companies owned by natives that do work in the towns, for the govt, on the pipelines.
Yeah I know a couple mills that failed, one in the 1980s from what people claim always happens, one in 2008 because of market demand. I've also seen umpteen chopstick plants, pellet mills, biomass, hydrogen plants, and the like owned by white people and offshore outfits fail the instant their startup grants run out too. Scams.

Goddamn it I've seen Band efforts on drugs, burning down a crackhouse to train their firsfighters while two at the end of our block carried on for years. I've worked beside many native people, for them, hired them as employees, contractors, and been on committees and political constituent boards with them, dined, drank, befriended, have kids married into them and 3 grandkids with status. They're about as 'different' as my churchy evangelical sisters or my Sikh friends.
So I get bloody sick of people endlessly digging up old stereotypes and painting all with the same brush. That is the dictionary definition of racism and is as unacceptable in this day and age as posting about watermelons, fried chicken, chitlins and stealing hubcaps in a response.

 

herbie, wake up and smell the evidence.

You lost, suck it up LOL

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

never mind my grandmother, Jean Chretien was Minister of Indian Affairs in 1969

when he introduced a White Paper proposing to abolish all treaties between the Crown & First Nations

which at the time was decried as being an attempt at Native Assimilation ( Genocide ! )

Residential Schools were operating well into the 1990's, when Chretien was Prime Minister

when is he going to be extradited to the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity ?

There are people like Herbie who think that should happen and that the millions of immigrants that leftist activists like him wanted to come here should pay reparations to Indigenous for stuff that happened centuries ago.  They don’t understand that it was the left who brought in Residential Schools to provide literacy and free education to natives.  They refuse to see any good in their own project. They don’t make the basic connection between mass immigration and mass colonization.  The whole debate is stupid and disappears once the activists realize that the “colonial” system they want to tear down is the one giving them all the freebies and benefits that sustain them. In fact, they’ve never had so much influence over government policy as under the current federal government.

What if the whole Canadian federal system does go? What will this crowd do when there are no more politicians supporting redistribution schemes because the economy has fallen apart and a harsher, self-interested foreign regime with harder power takes their place?

Canada has to get serious about defending itself economically, culturally, and militarily or these activists will be begging for a return of the “settler colonist” Canada they pretend to deplore.

 

Edited February 25 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There are people like Herbie who think that should happen and that the millions of immigrants that leftist activists like him wanted to come here should pay reparations to Indigenous for stuff that happened centuries ago.  They don’t understand that it was the left who brought in Residential Schools to provide literacy and free education to natives.

indeed.

the whole "Indigenous Reconciliation" project

is just more of the same paternalistic Victorian do gooderism run amok

Canadians can insist that they are not British anymore

but notice how all the British Colonials are following the same script ?

it's exactly the same in Australia & New Zealand

trying to save the "Aboriginals" from themselves ; the very essence of the Victorian British Empire

it's a travesty for the ignorant Canadian left to tear Queen Victoria down into the muck

since Victoria Hanover was the original Canadian leftist ; Christian Socialist

if you brought her back to life as a private citizen, she would vote for the NDP all the way

she'd be in downtown Toronto having tea with Olivia Chow & Margaret Atwood,

Sankofa Square ?  Quite sure she'd be all for that sort of thing

Indigenous land acknowledgements ? She would have made those into Royal Proclamations

 by the standards of the 19th century;  Queen Victoria was a leftist kook

she actually made the politicians nervous then, lest she might want to impose that sort of thing 

it was a high priority to have Prince Albert and then Mr. Brown to manage her

the last thing HM government would have wanted, was for Queen Victoria to invoke her authority

keep her barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, she can't be trusted to wield her power

Edited February 26 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

Facts  >  feelings

[herbie]

I repeat my position is that they haven't 'proved' or 'disproved' dick shit, so I stand by the evidence there is on hand that there are most likely unmarked graves on some residential school grounds.
I'll also stand by that as was my generation, none of my own ancestors were aware of what was going on at the time or supported the ulterior motives behind it, but an apology and reconciliation for what did happen is in my hands and will be given.

That is about all I wish to say on the subject and if you can't agree with at least the second paragraph that is a flaw in your character, not in mine.

[Dougie93]

if Canadians are want to throw themselves under the bus for committing " Genocide by the UN definition "

and then outlaw any dissent to that as being "Residential School Denialism"

I'll just fall back upon my American citizenship ; Canada is too crazy to be affiliated with, what a bunch of kooks

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

if Canadians are want to throw themselves under the bus for committing " Genocide by the UN definition "

and then outlaw any dissent to that as being "Residential School Denialism"

I'll just fall back upon my American citizenship ; Canada is too crazy to be affiliated with, what a bunch of kooks

That’s where I think this lands: Because a significant percentage of Canadians have taken up the Canada as genocidal settler colonial state, tax and regulate the population into submission to “save the planet”, criminalize free speech rhetoric, the country is actively defeating itself.  If this continues, and the current upswing in Liberal support seems to indicate that it will, Canadians will essentially be forced into choosing between dysfunctional overbearing, defenceless nanny state and whatever the Americans are offering in exchange for access to their market.  If that’s the choice we’re left with, because our electorate couldn’t muster the strength and realism to shed all the nonsense, then I would embrace 51st state.  

Edited February 27 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

I repeat my position is that they haven't 'proved' or 'disproved' dick shit,

And everyone sane says if they spent that much and couldnt' prove anything then most likely there's nothing to prove.

Sorry kid.

[I am Groot]

On 2/25/2025 at 3:29 PM, herbie said:

That is the most disgusting and racist post I've seen,

I knew you had led a sheltered life. But I had no idea it was that sheltered. Maybe climb off mommy's lap and look out the window now and then. 

On 2/25/2025 at 3:29 PM, herbie said:

Outright denial of any wrongs of residential schools and questioning the 'contribution to Canadian society' of natives.

I personally don't question the contribution of natives to Canadian society. There has been none. Zero. 

As for wrongs at residential schools. Yeah. So? There were wrongs at a lot of schools. There were definitely wrongs at boarding schools, orphanages and juvenile detention facilities "Spare the rod and spoil the child" was a cultural constant. And sometimes they went too far. And sometimes they were sadistic Aholes. And sometimes there was sexual abuse - at all these places. And society ignored that completely. Here and everywhere else in the world. 

Does it hurt you to realize people weren't quite as sophisticated back then as they are today?

 

 

Edited February 27 by I am Groot

[Dougie93]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s where I think this lands: Because a significant percentage of Canadians have taken up the Canada as genocidal settler colonial state, tax and regulate the population into submission to “save the planet”, criminalize free speech rhetoric, the country is actively defeating itself.  If this continues, and the current upswing in Liberal support seems to indicate that it will, Canadians will essentially be forced into choosing between dysfunctional overbearing, defenceless nanny state and whatever the Americans are offering in exchange for access to their market.  If that’s the choice we’re left with, because our electorate couldn’t muster the strength and realism to shed all the nonsense, then I would embrace 51st state.  

I was born under the British North America Act 1867

Elizabeth Windsor my Queen & Empress

I have no fealty whatsoever to a lunatic leftist Post National State People's Republic

which is in essence propagating Bolshevism as its state religion

the Laurentian Elite are usurpers ; fit for the yardarm

God save the King from these pretenders to the throne

Bydand

[WestCanMan]

On 2/23/2025 at 4:16 PM, Aristides said:

If on 3.6% was spent on physical searches, it was a waste of time and money. One has to ask how serious they were about actually finding anything.

This is kind of like if Fox News went and did a search in Pelosi's crawlspace for bodies, but put it in the newspapers and on TV. 

"Oh look, there's a signal showing up on our screen. It looks like a bunch of bodies jammed into boxes. I wonder how and when she killed them... We will conduct a more thorough search next year, and we will spend that whole time speculating about how much of a monster she is."

A year later, after even shithole countries like Iran have been calling her a mass murderer...

"Turns out it was a bunch of photo albums, some old kids' toys, suitcases, camping equipment, Christmas decorations, and pots and pans. The kinds of things that no one ever expected to find in a crawlspace. What a horrible b1tch she is. We can never forget this."