Another day, another false claim from RFK Jr.

Radiorum · February 18

RFK Jr. spouts nonsense about the “threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors,” or SSRIs.

SSRIs are anti-depressants, and their use has saved thousands of lives.

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Mathematical modeling of probable suicide rates from 1988 to 2002, based on pre-1988 data, suggests a cumulative decrease in expected suicide mortality of 33,600 people since the introduction of the SSRI fluoxetine, or Prozac.

But Kennedy calls people who take them “addicts.”

His buddy, Elon Musk, falsely claimed that there is “tremendous circumstantial evidence” that individuals who take SSRIs are more likely to become school shooters.

When questioned about it, RFK Jr. would not deny it:

No, there is no causal link between school shooters and SSRIs.

Medicaid pays hundreds of millions of dollars on SSRIs and I guess they want to cut that out.

WestCanMan · February 18

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

RFK Jr. spouts nonsense about the “threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors,” or SSRIs.

SSRIs are anti-depressants, and their use has saved thousands of lives.

But Kennedy calls people who take them “addicts.”

His buddy, Elon Musk, falsely claimed that there is “tremendous circumstantial evidence” that individuals who take SSRIs are more likely to become school shooters.

When questioned about it, RFK Jr. would not deny it:

No, there is no causal link between school shooters and SSRIs.

Medicaid pays hundreds of millions of dollars on SSRIs and I guess they want to cut that out.

2 things:

It's never easy proving that a Big Pharma cash-cow is problematic. Who's gonna do that, Fauci? 🤣 The Commie Death Cult?
You have no idea whether or not SSRI's make school-shooting more likely. You're just guessing.

Legato · February 18

Another day, another spurious claim from our local Crystal Set.

impartialobserver · February 18

circumstantial evidence is not causal. Just because two things happen in synchrony once or twice does not mean that one causes the other. It is likely that SSRI are a factor in school shootings but not even close to being the most impactful variable.

Radiorum · February 18

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You have no idea whether or not SSRI's make school-shooting more likely. You're just guessing.

I provided a link

Radiorum · February 18

43 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

It is likely that SSRI are a factor in school shootings but not even close to being the most impactful variable.

SSRIs do not cause people to get violent. maybe some shooters are on them, but it would be the underlying mental issues that predated the prescription of the medicine that would more likely contribute to the shooting

Barquentine · February 18

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's never easy proving that a Big Pharma cash-cow is problematic. Who's gonna do that, Fauci? 🤣 The Commie Death Cult?

So on one thread you don't believe in right wing wacko conspiracies but on this thread you do?

herbie · February 18

Do these people in charge need to be American citizens?
If not I know a lady who's treating her schizophrenia with teas and a keto diet because 'the doctors' are all stupid tools of Big Pharma and don't know nuthin.
She'd make a good replacement.

BTW she convinced her kid not to vax any of her grandkids because it causes autism. Only 1 of 3 is autistic, she may be onto something.

Aristides · February 19

Measles cases now number 58 in Texas and 8 now in New Mexico. RFK is doing a bang up job.

Nationalist · February 19

The Libbies are now afraid of science?

Shouldn't there be a complete investigation before people start freaking out?

WestCanMan · February 19

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I provided a link

Provide a link that says "Drs can't profit from prescribing drugs in the US anymore."

Can't find one? Of course you can't, because there isn't one.

The greatest conflict of interest in the history of the planet is the fact that Drs can get loot for prescribing medicine that their clients buy, and they don't even have to tell them that they're getting kickbacks.

American Drs are worse than lawyers, Radiorum.

WestCanMan · February 19

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

So on one thread you don't believe in right wing wacko conspiracies but on this thread you do?

I don't believe in any wacko conspiracies. Now tell me, Barquentine, did you prtend that Biden was menatlly healthy for the last 4 years?

Thought so. Maybe just keep your yap shut and make people guess how stupid you are next time. .

gatomontes99 · February 19

Science:

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4570770/

Although selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are widely prescribed, associations with violence are uncertain.

...

The association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions and violent crime arrests varied by age group. The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.

Our own National Institution of Helath published a paper that found a link between the use of SSRIs and violent crimes in youth.

Barquentine · February 19

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Maybe just keep your yap shut and make people guess how stupid you are next time. .

No.

robosmith · February 19

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Provide a link that says "Drs can't profit from prescribing drugs in the US anymore."

Can't find one? Of course you can't, because there isn't one.

The greatest conflict of interest in the history of the planet is the fact that Drs can get loot for prescribing medicine that their clients buy, and they don't even have to tell them that they're getting kickbacks.

American Drs are worse than lawyers, Radiorum.

What kind of "loot" are the US doctors getting?

Got news for you, restrictions on doctor loot are MUCH stronger than they were years ago when they could get fancy vacations and lavish dinners. Now they are limited to fancy pens. LMAO

Of course they also get free medicine samples.

gatomontes99 · February 19

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

What kind of "loot" are the US doctors getting?

Got news for you, restrictions on doctor loot are MUCH stronger than they were years ago when they could get fancy vacations and lavish dinners. Now they are limited to fancy pens. LMAO

Of course they also get free medicine samples.

Depends on the doctor. Want to know what yours is getting?

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/query?utf8=✓&query=Dr+eva+mena&state=TX&commit=Search

And here is an article about how some doctors get thousands from pharma:

FORBES: Some Physicians Receive Thousands Of Dollars A Year From Drug Companies; Should You Be Concerned?

West · February 19

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

circumstantial evidence is not causal. Just because two things happen in synchrony once or twice does not mean that one causes the other. It is likely that SSRI are a factor in school shootings but not even close to being the most impactful variable.

Lays a pretty good framework for hypothesis and study.

The cash cow doesn't want you connecting the dots so they automatically bully and intimidate those into silence. Pretty vile

robosmith · February 19

2 hours ago, West said:

Lays a pretty good framework for hypothesis and study.

And yet you're already drawing CONCLUSIONS. 🤮

2 hours ago, West said:

The cash cow doesn't want you connecting the dots so they automatically bully and intimidate those into silence. Pretty vile

^Pure speculation LMAO

CdnFox · February 19

8 hours ago, Radiorum said:

RFK Jr. spouts nonsense about the “threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors,” or SSRIs.

SSRIs are anti-depressants, and their use has saved thousands of lives.

But Kennedy calls people who take them “addicts.”

His buddy, Elon Musk, falsely claimed that there is “tremendous circumstantial evidence” that individuals who take SSRIs are more likely to become school shooters.

When questioned about it, RFK Jr. would not deny it:

No, there is no causal link between school shooters and SSRIs.

Medicaid pays hundreds of millions of dollars on SSRIs and I guess they want to cut that out.

Talk about dishonesty. He correctly and honestly claims that he doesn't know because there is no science thats looked into it yet. Which is the correct perspective from somebody who's coming out of rationally and believes in science

Your statement claims that you absolutely know with certainty without their having been any research done or having done any of yourself. Has god spoken to you or something?

I have no idea what the answer is, I haven't done any research on this subject. So I would tend to agree with him that I don't know because I've seen no science either way.

That makes him a reasonable person, it makes me a reasonable person, and it makes you an irrational Fool who cares more about Muh Feels than facts.

How do you not see that as you were writing that?

Radiorum · February 19

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Our own National Institution of Helath published a paper that found a link between the use of SSRIs and violent crimes in youth.

They use the word "association" - which implies correlation - but not cause and effect.

it is more likely that underlying mental health issues lead to violence, as well as the prescription of mood-altering drugs

In fact, in their results, they state:

The reported association between SSRIs and violent crime in young people cannot be interpreted causally

gatomontes99 · February 19

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

They use the word "association" - which implies correlation - but not cause and effect.

it is more likely that underlying mental health issues lead to violence, as well as the prescription of mood-altering drugs

In fact, in their results, they state:

The reported association between SSRIs and violent crime in young people cannot be interpreted causally

The point is that dismissing the link is unwarranted. If there is an association, a link is possible. It isn't nonsense as you say.

Radiorum · February 19

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Provide a link that says "Drs can't profit from prescribing drugs in the US anymore."

Can't find one? Of course you can't, because there isn't one.

The greatest conflict of interest in the history of the planet is the fact that Drs can get loot for prescribing medicine that their clients buy, and they don't even have to tell them that they're getting kickbacks.

American Drs are worse than lawyers, Radiorum.

I would say this is a valid concern. And that disclosure should be mandatory.

In Canada, it would be a provincial matter.

impartialobserver · February 19

15 hours ago, West said:

Lays a pretty good framework for hypothesis and study.

The cash cow doesn't want you connecting the dots so they automatically bully and intimidate those into silence. Pretty vile

Its a good thing that you are not in a role that affects anyone's well being. What is vile is that you spout off and have no concrete evidence. If you were really that smart.. you would know that correlation is not the same as causality.

West · February 19

25 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Its a good thing that you are not in a role that affects anyone's well being. What is vile is that you spout off and have no concrete evidence. If you were really that smart.. you would know that correlation is not the same as causality.

Irrelevant to my point.

impartialobserver · February 19

7 minutes ago, West said:

Irrelevant to my point.

Your post is purely about how correlation is the same as causality. Again. .. I am very thankful that you are not the one who makes meaningful decisions. Always find the silver lining.