Trump Plan for Takeover of Canada?

[Venandi]

42 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

If I was still Prime Minister, I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed”

I wonder how many of the keyboard warriors here (those calling others cowards) would cherish and embrace that sentiment over the long haul.

I have fond visions of the  Roboduhs, Eyeballs, Herbs, Doggies and Offenders of the world thrust into combat boots and forced to follow those they call cowards through deep sand on a two mile run (the turning point) and then counting the number of snotty noses still standing at the end of the 4 mile fun run. And that's all before breakfast BTW, your day gets incrementally fuc&^%$ worse after that.

I define the difference between loudmouth keyboard warriors and people you see in the wild  wearing Airborne T-shirts pretty simply... with the latter group, you never have to look behind you to see who's keeping up. 

 

Edited February 12 by Venandi

[taxme]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:59 AM, Dick Green said:

Trump should be required to provide details of his plan to takover Canada.  Would each provice become a state?  Ten  more provinces would upset the poitical balance in the US.  Our Prime Minister should ask him for details, which might not be that popular with the American political establishment.  Also this might show how little thought ahs been given to this proposal by Trump.

Personally, i would like to see America and Canada create an economic union like the EU in Europe. That way we could eliminate borders and use the same currency. But i would prefer to keep our sovereignty like most European countries have done. Trump is only kidding about wanting Canada to join America. Trump does not need another bunch of liberal/socialist politicians to have to deal with. The democrats are enough of a problem for him to have to deal with. There will be no takeover of Canada by Trump.  

All Trump is doing is asking our dictator in Ottawa to stop illegals entering America from Canada, and do something about the amount of fentanyl entering America from Canada. Do that and there will be no 25% tariff something the Canadian leftwing liberal media do not tell Canadians. The Canadian left wing media just want to make a mountain out of a mole hole and get gullible Canadians to get into a state of panic over nothing. The Canadian left wing media is nothing more than a shit disturber. The media enjoys feeding the bull to gullible Canadians who will believe their lies and bull chit.  🤮

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Stephen Harper has just declared ;

"If I was still Prime Minister, I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed”

Harper was a steady, responsible hand.  He understood the depth of Canada’s culture and value.  If he or someone like him had been at the helm the last decade, we wouldn’t be in this bind.  Trudeau is at least standing firm.  He won’t make the necessary reforms to shrink this bloated ideologically-captured mess of government bureaucracy and regulation, because his government created the mess.  Carney is cut from the same globalist stakeholder capitalist cloth, albeit with more smarts.

For true independence, Canada is going to have to become far more self-sufficient and get on an economic war footing, by the end of which we produce a lot more finished products from our raw materials, and consume a lot more of both domestically.  Right now all exporters to the U.S. should be looking for alternative markets and the federal government should be signing trade agreements in rapid succession.  I wouldn’t cave into any demands from Trump anymore because fulfilling them won’t remove the threat of tariffs. What he has demanded publicly (action at our border) isn’t what he really wants, which is to take economic advantage of other countries. This is the time to close ranks.

We need to commit to that pathway before entering into any discussions of revised trade agreements or economic union with the U.S., so that we’re bargaining from a position of strength.  We must always be prepared to raise the drawbridge and go it alone.  We have the greenhouses and energy.  We have the diverse economy. We can expand the military. We can form new alliances and trade relationships.  We can look to our many other partners in Europe, the Commonwealth, Francophonie, etc.

Edited February 12 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is the time to close ranks.  

invoke the British Crown In North America

Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief

God, King, Country

the Loyalists of Upper Canada upon Queenston Heights

Canada is not a republic ; my nation is the House of Windsor

Victoria Hanover is Mother Canada

Nec Aspera Terrent

[CITIZEN_2015]

Canada becoming 51st state? When pigs fly and over my dead body. Fu*k Trump.

[Dougie93]

On 2/12/2025 at 1:55 PM, Venandi said:

I wonder how many of the keyboard warriors here (those calling others cowards) would cherish and embrace that sentiment over the long haul.

I have fond visions of the  Roboduhs, Eyeballs, Herbs, Doggies and Offenders of the world thrust into combat boots and forced to follow those they call cowards through deep sand on a two mile run (the turning point) and then counting the number of snotty noses still standing at the end of the 4 mile fun run. And that's all before breakfast BTW, your day gets incrementally fuc&^%$ worse after that.

I define the difference between loudmouth keyboard warriors and people you see in the wild  wearing Airborne T-shirts pretty simply... with the latter group, you never have to look behind you to see who's keeping up. 

 

combat arms veterans have become radicalized by the wanton destruction of the CAF by the political class

the desecration of Regiment, Colours & Commander-in-Chief

with the Government of Canada conducting Stalinist purges of the senior brass

we are already across the Rubicon ; there's no going back now

Ducimus

[Nationalist]

My Gawd...Trump sure has you folks freaked right our eh?

Do any of you really believe he can make Canada a state?

Feet on the ground people. It was an empty threat.

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 

Do any of you really believe he can make Canada a state?

 

When pigs fly over our dead bodies. America is our friend and ally. Trump is not America. America is not Trump. He will join the dustbin of history in less than 4 years but Canada lives forever. Fu*k Trump. Vive le Canada.

[Nationalist]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

When pigs fly over our dead bodies. America is our friend and ally. Trump is not America. America is not Trump. He will join the dustbin of history in less than 4 years but Canada lives forever. Fu*k Trump. Vive le Canada.

Hilarious. 

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

America is our friend and ally. Trump is not America. America is not Trump. He will join the dustbin of history in less than 4 years

Well said. And he might even be politically crippled in 2 years. Sad for our American friends (and other countries) how much damage he might be able to do before then.

[Zeitgeist]

Trump is a reminder that independence has a cost.  How much of our social safety net could we afford if we paid the realistic cost of defending our country and keeping ourselves from becoming economically dependent on one export market that is culturally and economically very integrated with Canada?  He’s being harshly self-interested about it, but he can be and we should’ve been prepared for this.  Was it responsible of our government to send cheques to everyone and implement free child dental care and $10 daycare when we’re not keeping up with our NATO commitments?  You can’t have your cake and eat it too.  It’s not just that we increased the size of government and program spending as our debt almost doubled, it’s that we also behaved very recklessly by agreeing with anti-Canadian narratives and inquiry recommendations that no sane responsible government would ever agree to implement.  Basically our leaders were irresponsible and now we’re vulnerable to a staunchly protectionist and aggressive US administration.

First off, our government needs downsizing and program reduction, including all the unconstitutional anti-free speech and discriminatory DEI hiring and admissions policies.

Secondly, we need a military powerful enough to destroy any attacker, at least at the level of mutually assured destruction.  The UK has had that capacity for decades and there’s no reason we shouldn’t have it at our current size. We have some of that gear already and our Air Force will have its F-35s.  Our navy needs serious expansion and upgrading, including our subs.  We should also have massive armed forces recruitment campaigns, including reserves.  That much is clear and I’ll leave the details to the experts.

Finally, why the hell are we importing oil as we export almost all the oil we produce?  Why are we having our oil refined in Texas?  Why is our aluminum being turned into cans in Ohio?  We should be creating the finished products based on our raw materials and shipping what we don’t consume to multiple markets.  If we made the mistake of relying too much on exporting to the U.S., we have also clearly relied too much on imports, especially from the U.S.  We can’t even buy Canadian in a meaningful way when we simply don’t produce certain products domestically.  What we don’t produce domestically we should be able to acquire from multiple countries, not just the U.S.   We need to diversify both our export markets and the source countries for our imports, so that we’re never economically beholden to one foreign country.  We can’t even pump our oil across the country without going through US states.

Unless and until these conditions change, we can’t be truly independent.  Canadians need to get past the bravado from leaders on both sides of the border and think seriously about what that entails.  There’s been no serious cost/benefit analysis of the options between total independence and 51st state, looking at ramifications across multiple metrics.  Economic union with ironclad assurances against imposition of tariffs is probably where both countries should be in terms of both countries’ interests, but we can’t get to that kind of mature conversation.  It all feels very dated and foolish, very 19th century, but Canada has to respond to the tariff war with strength.  

Edited February 14 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  It all feels very dated and foolish, very 19th century, but Canada has to respond with strength.  

over the top when the whistle blows, for the British Empire

remember Gallipoli

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

over the top when the whistle blows, for the British Empire

remember Gallipoli

I don’t know if the Canadian public could handle that kind of bloodbath today, even figuratively.  Harper is at least being honest about what true commitment to sovereignty means. Knowing how mindlessly unquestioning and reliant on the ideological nanny state we’ve become, this would be a radical shift for Canadians like we haven’t seen in many decades.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t know if the Canadian public could handle that kind of bloodbath today, even figuratively. 

the Canadian public in 1914 was far more naive

they had enjoyed a century of peace

they were living in a completely globalized British Empire

they were the most prosperous, technologically advanced civilization in history

they had no idea what they were getting themselves into

and by the time you are in the trenches, it's too late to get out of it then

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t know if the Canadian public could handle that kind of bloodbath today, even figuratively.  Harper is at least being honest about what true commitment to sovereignty means. Knowing how mindlessly unquestioning and reliant on the ideological nanny state we’ve become, this would be a radical shift for Canadians like we haven’t seen in many decades.  

That was an Australian and Kiwi bloodbath, ours were Ypres,  the Somme and Passendale. A nation of 7 million lost more than the US did in Vietnam. Almost 1% of our population. Would the US handle that kind of bloodbath today, even figuratively?

Edited February 14 by Aristides

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That was an Australian and Kiwi bloodbath

The Royal Newfoundland Regiment landed at Gallipoli

https://www.heritage.nf.ca/first-world-war/articles/newfoundland-regiment-at-gallipoli.php

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 ours were Ypres,  the Somme and Passendale. A nation of 7 million lost more than the US did in Vietnam. Almost 1% of our population.

fighting for the British Crown in the British Imperial Army

the Canadians of 1914 were staunch British Imperialists

the Canada of today indicts them as "White Supremacist Settler Colonials committing Genocide"

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Harper is at least being honest about what true commitment to sovereignty means.

who would suffer hardship gladly for a Post National State with no core identity ?

so called "Canada" is rightly reaping what it has sowed

the Fenians read the (Neo)Liberal press releases and took it seriously

just desserts

[Aristides]

37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Royal Newfoundland Regiment landed at Gallipoli

https://www.heritage.nf.ca/first-world-war/articles/newfoundland-regiment-at-gallipoli.php

Newfoundland didn't become part of Canada until 1949.

Their bloodbath was Beaumont Hamel.

Edited February 14 by Aristides

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Newfoundland didn't become part of Canada until 1949.

and as they did we count Newfoundland Battle Honours as Canadian Battle Honours ever since

more to the point ; it was all the same British Army from Ypres to Suvla BaY

your attempts to make a distinction without a difference is typically Canadian ahistorical nonsense

 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

and as they did we count Newfoundland Battle Honours as Canadian Battle Honours ever since

more to the point ; it was all the same British Army from Ypres to Suvla BaY

your attempts to make a distinction without a difference is typically Canadian ahistorical nonsense

 

The Canadian Army fought as a unit in WW1, commanded by Canadians even though overall command was British. Our regiments weren't split up among British brigades and divisions. There was a distinction.

[Aristides]

More blowback to Trump's BS.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/2025/02/14/trade-dispute-has-made-outlook-for-new-pipelines-more-hopeful-tc-energy-cfo-says/

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The Canadian Army fought as a unit in WW1, commanded by Canadians even though overall command was British. Our regiments weren't split up among British brigades and divisions. There was a distinction.

incorrect

there was no Canadian Army in the First World War

Canada raised "Overseas" units to serve in the British Imperial Army under British Command

the largest formation which Canada formed,  was The Canadian Corps

that was however not a Canadian Army,

rather a Corps within British 3rd Army

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

More blowback to Trump's BS.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/2025/02/14/trade-dispute-has-made-outlook-for-new-pipelines-more-hopeful-tc-energy-cfo-says/

Canadian pipe dreams are hardly blowback against Trump

it would take Canada decades to build enough pipelines & heavy crude refineries to replace the American market

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

First off, our government needs downsizing and program reduction, including all the unconstitutional anti-free speech and discriminatory DEI hiring and admissions policies.

Secondly, we need a military powerful enough to destroy any attacker, at least at the level of mutually assured destruction.  The UK has had that capacity for decades and there’s no reason we shouldn’t have it at our current size. We have some of that gear already and our Air Force will have its F-35s.  Our navy needs serious expansion and upgrading, including our subs.  We should also have massive armed forces recruitment campaigns, including reserves.  That much is clear and I’ll leave the details to the experts.

Finally, why the hell are we importing oil as we export almost all the oil we produce?  Why are we having our oil refined in Texas?  Why is our aluminum being turned into cans in Ohio?  We should be creating the finished products based on our raw materials and shipping what we don’t consume to multiple markets.  If we made the mistake of relying too much on exporting to the U.S., we have also clearly relied too much on imports, especially from the U.S.  We can’t even buy Canadian in a meaningful way when we simply don’t produce certain products domestically.  What we don’t produce domestically we should be able to acquire from multiple countries, not just the U.S.   We need to diversify both our export markets and the source countries for our imports, so that we’re never economically beholden to one foreign country.  We can’t even pump our oil across the country without going through US states.

none of these things are realistically going to happen in Canada