godzilla Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 Trump pauses Canadian tariffs for 30 days in deal with Trudeau Trump blinks again! now its about banks and cars? wtf? like Canada doesn't buy cars? Trump mistaken, U.S. banks can and do operate in Canada US still paying as Canadians stop buying US products and US alcohol still off the shelf. Go Canada! 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 I honestly think Trudeau should have told Trump to go f**k itself, and let the US suffer for a couple of months. Then again, our negotiating position was weakened by appeasers like Danielle Smith, Kevin O'Leary, and others. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 29 minutes ago, godzilla said: Trump pauses Canadian tariffs for 30 days in deal with Trudeau Trump blinks again! now its about banks and cars? wtf? like Canada doesn't buy cars? Trump mistaken, U.S. banks can and do operate in Canada US still paying as Canadians stop buying US products and US alcohol still off the shelf. Go Canada! That's not much of a victory. I noticed that both in Mexico and Canada's case they're lined up to meet mostly with trade people. So this was the false charge to scare everyone, and now the negotiations begin for real on trade. And that's where this will either win or lose Quote
godzilla Posted February 3 Author Report Posted February 3 1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said: I honestly think Trudeau should have told Trump to go f**k itself, and let the US suffer for a couple of months. Then again, our negotiating position was weakened by appeasers like Danielle Smith, Kevin O'Leary, and others. i wouldn't be surprised if he did... but not in those words. i mean, at this point, when Trump wants to "talk" then you know he is looking for an exit. the DJI took a dump and JT knows that Trump is not going to proceed with what he's threatened. 1 Quote
Gaétan Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 Trump noticed that the US dollar was plunging and that's not good when you have to repay lenders, his plan was a bad idea and he noticed it. Quote
Aristides Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 We will do what we agreed to but anyone who expects Trump to keep his word is a fool. He could change his mind tomorrow, his word means nothing. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 Lmao...reality and the left are unacquainted Quote https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-agrees-pause-tariffs-canada-exchange-more-border-enforcement Trump and Trudeau spoke via phone on Monday, hours before additional 25% tariffs were to take effect on Canadian goods coming into the United States. In a post on X, Trudeau said Canada will implement a $1.3 billion border plan and appoint a fentanyl czar. In addition, Canada will reinforce its border with new helicopters, technology, personnel and enhanced coordination with American authorities. He added that nearly 10,000 personnel are and will be working on border protection. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
WestCanMan Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 I was ready to boycott every single US-made product aside from Fireball. If we can't get Fireball anymore, the WH is gonna need more than just a coat of f'ing paint. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
impartialobserver Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 I would be very interested to know which nation on a per capita basis purchases more from the other nation. Been looking at Toronto area breweries... a few solid options. Quote
godzilla Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 god i laughed out loud when Charlie compared Trump to Al Capone during his "syphilitic period"! hilarious! 48 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Lmao...reality and the left are unacquainted reality. this was announced weeks ago. not sure why Fox News has to pretend it was an outcome of todays discussions. Quote
godzilla Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 this is so worth cross posting... how is Trumps deal with Mexico different from Bidens deal? Biden administration agrees to tightening security at border "Mexico made the decision to maintain 10,000 troops at its southern border resulting in twice as many daily migrant interdictions" 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Lmao...reality and the left are unacquainted Anyone who watches and believes FOS LIES is unacquainted with the REALITY that FOS LIES to the tune of an $800 MILLION libel penalty. AKA very serious business. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Lmao...reality and the left are unacquainted lol so the plan we'd already announced? Holy shit Trump is the easiest mark, no wonder Elon was able to take over the presidency. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, godzilla said: i wouldn't be surprised if he did... but not in those words. i mean, at this point, when Trump wants to "talk" then you know he is looking for an exit. the DJI took a dump and JT knows that Trump is not going to proceed with what he's threatened. As I was just saying in the other thread I don't think that's true. I think things played out exactly the way trump wanted them to all along. This is basically what I was claiming trump was doing 2 months ago, it's classic for him. He creates a bunch of panic tons of confusion gets everyone running around and then when everyone's in a panic he steps up and talks about what he really wants and everybody's kind of off their game. He never actually asked for anything explicit at our border. And we didn't give him anything new to get this 30 days. But now he's kind of created the environment he wants for trade negotiations, and it was interesting that he said that Canada and Mexico both would be meeting with a number of trades ministers and people in his administration rather than border security agents primarily. I think this is exactly what he had in his mind when he started this 3 months ago and I don't think anything has happened in the meantime has changed his mind or altered what he intended to do from the get-go. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, robosmith said: Anyone who watches and believes FOS LIES is unacquainted with the REALITY that FOS LIES to the tune of an $800 MILLION libel penalty. AKA very serious business. Rule #1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Rule #1 I predict a long series of very short posts from you over the next few weeks till they realize you've got them pegged 1 Quote
godzilla Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 (edited) 41 minutes ago, CdnFox said: As I was just saying in the other thread I don't think that's true. I think things played out exactly the way trump wanted them to all along. This is basically what I was claiming trump was doing 2 months ago, it's classic for him. He creates a bunch of panic tons of confusion gets everyone running around and then when everyone's in a panic he steps up and talks about what he really wants and everybody's kind of off their game. He never actually asked for anything explicit at our border. And we didn't give him anything new to get this 30 days. But now he's kind of created the environment he wants for trade negotiations, and it was interesting that he said that Canada and Mexico both would be meeting with a number of trades ministers and people in his administration rather than border security agents primarily. I think this is exactly what he had in his mind when he started this 3 months ago and I don't think anything has happened in the meantime has changed his mind or altered what he intended to do from the get-go. oh yeah, he is the chess genius who is 10 steps ahead at all times. i'd argue the opposite. he shoots in the dark to see what happens. often shooting himself in the foot. this is a good case in point. he implemented maximum leverage before even sitting down to the negotiating table and discovered that he had no leverage. so how the hell are you going to negotiate when the party opposite have already experienced that you have no cards? no, ideally you threaten leverage... hoping that the other side also view it as such. and then you slowly extract what you want while holding that leverage over their heads. particularly if that leverage is untested. he did the opposite. Edited February 4 by godzilla 1 Quote
godzilla Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 interesting article by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president "The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. " "Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it. " "For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101" "From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. " 3 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I predict a long series of very short posts from you over the next few weeks till they realize you've got them pegged They'll never figure it out. Even if they do, it'll be like the batter calling the pitch and the pitcher throwing it any way. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) No reason to think Trump will keep his word on this anymore than he has before. Even if this does get settled, Canadians will never really trust the US again and maybe that's a good thing. Edited February 4 by Aristides 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 41 minutes ago, godzilla said: oh yeah, he is the chess genius who is 10 steps ahead at all times. How the hell do you figure that you have to be a chess genius to throw a temper tantrum to get everyone off balance? I mean hell it's right in his book as his favorite negotiating tactic. There's nothing remotely sophisticated about it. You must have the education of a great three student to be impressed by the tactic of turning over the table and knocking the pieces on the floor before you begin the game Quote i'd argue the opposite Yes, but as we've just determined you're a bit of an imbecile. 43 minutes ago, godzilla said: this is a good case in point. he implemented maximum leverage before even sitting down to the negotiating table and discovered that he had no leverage He has exactly the same leverage he always started with. He put the levees on pause for 30 days, everybody is going to be stressing during those 30 days about whether or not they're going to come to a deal or whether or not he's going to actually carry on with the tariffs. Which is going to put a great deal of pressure on the countries negotiating with him. He hasn't taken anything off the table, he's given up nothing and managed to get a commitment of 10,000 soldiers from Mexico and a commitment of 1.5 billion from Canada and he hasn't given up a bloody thing. And he can still throw the tariffs on in 30 days if he doesn't like what he hears Advantage? He's got a bunch of stuff from nothing and he's still got all the power he had since day one. I'm sorry but this stuff is obviously way over your head. Quote
500channelsurfer Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 It would have been simpler for all parties if we had just let 30 days of tariffs happen. That way all the real grievances would have come out, and none of this all-day-on-the-phone drama between the three heads of state, while the majority of the can is just being kicked down the road. What a waste of time. Plus all the investment people (including honest retirees worried about their savings/investments) going into anxiety overdrive all day. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 31 minutes ago, godzilla said: interesting article by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president "The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. " "Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it. " "For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101" "From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. " Yeah that guy's an !diot. And he's not the first to use this tactic by the way. There have been a few American presidents who have successfully used exactly the same tactic, and as much as I realized I'm about to open a can of worms it was also a favorite of Hitler who managed to get a hell of a lot of land ever before he had to go to war to get it. Quote
eyeball Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: No reason to think Trump will keep his word on this anymore than he has before. Even if this does get settled, Canadians will never really trust the US again and maybe that's a good thing. The whole right wing brand has taken a big hit. Trump is like a big fat Randy White except he's...Orange. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 39 minutes ago, godzilla said: interesting article by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president "The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. " "Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it. " "For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101" "From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. " What the distinguished professor failed to mention is that the negotiator that can afford to walk away will always win. What happens if the US loses a very small part of their economy with Canada? Nothing. Canada's importance in our economy is way over stated. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
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