betsy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 (edited) Mexico seemed to have done the right thing! Unfortunately.....it doesn't seem to bode well for us. Trump seems to be bent on playing hard ball, and maybe this means chickens are coming home to roost for Trudeau. U.S. President Donald Trump held off Monday on his tariff threats against Mexico for one month of further negotiations after Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to send 10,000 members of her country’s national guard to the border to address drug trafficking. A senior Canadian official said Canada was not confident it could avoid the looming tariffs as Mexico did. That’s because Canada feels as if the administration is shifting its requests of Canada more than it did for Mexico. The official spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak publicly. The U.S. and Mexican leaders announced the pause after what Trump described on social media as a “very friendly conversation,” and he said he looked forward to the upcoming talks. https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-china-sheinbaum-trudeau-017efa8c3343b8d2a9444f7e65356ae9 Canada could be going on a wild ride ....................at least, until Trudeau is gone. Carney could be seen as an extension of Trudeau (by Trump), so he might not be able to negotiate successfully with Trump. Trump could also pin his ire on the whole LIBERAL PARTY. Edited February 3 by betsy 1 Quote
betsy Posted February 3 Author Report Posted February 3 (edited) "Something is gonna happen there." What does he mean, "something's gonna happen there." Getting rid of the Liberal Party (the leadership that he said he doesn't agree with)................. ...............might be the UNSPOKEN message being signalled by Trump to Canada? Edited February 3 by betsy Quote
Black Dog Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 I think we know why the amount of fentanyl crossing from Canada into the U.S. is so small, betsy is hoovering it all up. 1 1 1 Quote
betsy Posted February 3 Author Report Posted February 3 We'll have to wait and see what happens when they have their talk again at 3 pm today. Lol.....it's feeling like a cliff-hanger! 🤣 Quote
betsy Posted February 3 Author Report Posted February 3 (edited) Trump had a different tone for Mexico's President in comparison with his tone with Justin Trudeau! Edited February 3 by betsy Quote
Moonbox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 26 minutes ago, betsy said: Trump had a different tone for Mexico's President in comparison with his tone with Justin Trudeau! This is a really weird look for you betsy. Trudeau is a clown and he's already resigning, but you seem to be reveling in the Orange Baboon's useless grandstanding. Trump doesn't even know what he wants to achieve with these Canada tariffs. He just walked into the room and took a shit in on the table in front of everyone, just to show everyone he could. 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
betsy Posted February 3 Author Report Posted February 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Moonbox said: This is a really weird look for you betsy. Trudeau is a clown and he's already resigning, but you seem to be reveling in the Orange Baboon's useless grandstanding. Trump doesn't even know what he wants to achieve with these Canada tariffs. He just walked into the room and took a shit in on the table in front of everyone, just to show everyone he could. Trudeau isn't gone. I see him on tv! Who's the Trudeau they mean, doing the negotiating with Trump? Why do you think the oppositions are calling for a snap election? Me-thinks, because it's Trudeau - who's doing all the yapping with Trump - and more likely making it worse for us! Edited February 3 by betsy Quote
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 57 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I think we know why the amount of fentanyl crossing from Canada into the U.S. is so small, betsy is hoovering it all up. It still contributes to the almost 100,000 americans that are killed by it every single year....and while Canada contribution is only 1 % of that total it is growing exponentially every year....that 1 % represents 1000 deaths, is that an insufficient number to you...how big does it need to get before the US needs to take action.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 17 minutes ago, Moonbox said: This is a really weird look for you betsy. Trudeau is a clown and he's already resigning, but you seem to be reveling in the Orange Baboon's useless grandstanding. Trump doesn't even know what he wants to achieve with these Canada tariffs. He just walked into the room and took a shit in on the table in front of everyone, just to show everyone he could. Trump's already told the world what he wants dozens of times....I guess you've not been following this event...When your the leader of the most powerful nation in the world yes, you can take a dump where ever you want....Canada is a likely target we are weak in every category... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It still contributes to the almost 100,000 americans that are killed by it every single year....and while Canada contribution is only 1 % of that total it is growing exponentially every year....that 1 % represents 1000 deaths, is that an insufficient number to you...how big does it need to get before the US needs to take action.... LOl why are you pretending that he cares about the fentanyl thing? Quote
herbie Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 Fat little man talks big, doesn't he? 100% bullshit coming out his mouth, but his enablers are dumb enough to believe him. Too chickenshit to take on Russia or China. Quote
Moonbox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Trump's already told the world what he wants dozens of times....I guess you've not been following this event...When your the leader of the most powerful nation in the world yes, you can take a dump where ever you want....Canada is a likely target we are weak in every category... Tell me then. What does he want...specifically? What are the conditions Canada needs to meet to get the tariffs reversed? Surely it should be easy for you to lay them out for us. Edited February 3 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 18 minutes ago, Black Dog said: LOl why are you pretending that he cares about the fentanyl thing? Is he pretending, it seems that's the reason or one of the reasons we have tariffs now....that and did you not get my memo to ask permission from you to make a statement on this topic... Man you need to get a new secretary.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Tell me then. What does he want...specifically? What are the conditions Canada needs to meet to get the tariffs reversed? Surely it should be easy for you to lay them out for us. Always taking the easy way out...hit goggle and do you own research.......or maybe you have inside information we don't have and all of this is just a bad dream, and he really wants you moonbox... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It still contributes to the almost 100,000 americans that are killed by it every single year....and while Canada contribution is only 1 % of that total it is growing exponentially every year....that 1 % represents 1000 deaths, is that an insufficient number to you...how big does it need to get before the US needs to take action.... Bigger than it is. That's obvious. The amount of fentanyl that's being smuggled across the border on foot is almost zero and everything else is the responsibility of Americans Customs agents Trump spoke to Trudeau today. Let's listen to how much of his speech is about talking to Trudeau about security issues and how much is about trade Yeah. Pretty much 100 percent of the conversation was about trade. I'm sure he will happily take some additional protections on the border but that is not what this is about Quote
CdnFox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 36 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Trump's already told the world what he wants dozens of times....I guess you've not been following this event...When your the leader of the most powerful nation in the world yes, you can take a dump where ever you want....Canada is a likely target we are weak in every category... Trump never tells anybody what he wants. He just says he wants something and everyone else has to guess and he'll tell them when they've given enough. Otherwise he would have gone to Canada with a list and said do these things and we're good. That did not happen. He setting the stage for negotiations. As I said the other day he wants access to our dairy and poultry, telecommunications, and other things where we do not allow the Americans to compete. We don't let them operate Airlines here, they can't own more than half of a telecom, they cant' have banks here etc etc. This is a trade war. This is not a drug war. He sells it as a drug war because that's something the people of america will support but it is not. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 37 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Bigger than it is. That's obvious. The amount of fentanyl that's being smuggled across the border on foot is almost zero and everything else is the responsibility of Americans Customs agents Trump spoke to Trudeau today. Let's listen to how much of his speech is about talking to Trudeau about security issues and how much is about trade Yeah. Pretty much 100 percent of the conversation was about trade. I'm sure he will happily take some additional protections on the border but that is not what this is about So who's job is it to hunt these Fentanyl labs down in Canada, I'm just assuming it is Police and border security...which is why we rented 4 helos right to patrol looking for criminals....SO if we were doing a smash up job there would be no need to US customs to be so vigilant...even PP plan states he is going to go a lot further to secure the border.... Would we as a nation not be better off with secured borders ? Trump has already stated there is at least a two phase plan , one is to get the borders under control....next in may he is going to look into trade...This is one conversation he has had out of thousands, and i'm sure he is going to have a phase 3 or 4 looking at our other security apparatus as he suggested many times . A message even PP has received as it is also in his plans to counter tariffs. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Trump never tells anybody what he wants. He just says he wants something and everyone else has to guess and he'll tell them when they've given enough. Otherwise he would have gone to Canada with a list and said do these things and we're good. That did not happen. He setting the stage for negotiations. As I said the other day he wants access to our dairy and poultry, telecommunications, and other things where we do not allow the Americans to compete. We don't let them operate Airlines here, they can't own more than half of a telecom, they cant' have banks here etc etc. This is a trade war. This is not a drug war. He sells it as a drug war because that's something the people of america will support but it is not. OK lets say its all about trade right now, So what is wrong with competition. we pay more because there is no competition dairy, poultry, telecommunications, maple syrup all are cartels that have jacked up prices to remain competitive internationally... in todays market why is competition bad...do you really care about where your eggs and chicken come from...and lets not even go to telecommunications where the prices are so jacked up it's not even funny now.... same as banking fees, which make multi billions every year...and it cost me more to fly to montreal than it does florida...and montreal is only a 5 hour drive or one hour flight...my question is do we need Air Canada, bank of nova scotia, or Toronto...they are not our friends and their interest is to make as much off us as possible...Why would it be so bad to open all of that up to the states ? making it cheaper for consumers...you don't like money...i know i do... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Always taking the easy way out...hit goggle and do you own research.......or maybe you have inside information we don't have and all of this is just a bad dream, and he really wants you moonbox... So when I ask you to clarify, and you deflect and refuse to answer, I'm the one taking the easy way out. That makes SO much sense. 🤣 Edited February 3 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: So who's job is it to hunt these Fentanyl labs down in Canada, I'm just assuming it is Police and border security. Not border security. Police sure but that's got nothing to do with Trump. He's not asking us to hire more police officers And when he talked to trudeau today it was all about trade. I posted that clip for you. This isn't about an unsecured border or fentanyl. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: So when I ask you to clarify, and you deflect and refuse to answer, I'm the one taking the easy way out. That makes SO much sense. 🤣 I'm not deflecting your the one refusing to check goggle do a little research......but you already know the answer, you just looking for a fight, i say move along little doggy find someone else to pester...i'm not playing your games.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Not border security. Police sure but that's got nothing to do with Trump. He's not asking us to hire more police officers And when he talked to trudeau today it was all about trade. I posted that clip for you. This isn't about an unsecured border or fentanyl. Did he not ask Canada to stop the flow of fentanyl going across the border, then the way to do that is for the police to crack down on criminal gangs control this trade....i mean i thought thats how it works....make arrests before the drugs get to the border.... you posted one clip of trump answering questions by the press....Trump talked to Justin this morning and was suppose to talk at 3 pm what they talked about is unknown to me anyways....like most if not all the conversations the two of them have... And maybe you have a crystal ball, mine seems to be broken, all i can comment on is what the media has already said...and no one has come out and said this has got nothing to do with unsecure borders and fentanyl....You keep saying that but i have not seen anything that backs that statement up....DO you have a source or crystal ball ? i mean lots of lefties think this is about making us the 51 st state and are digging bunkers and hiding under their beds...lots of theories Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 29 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Did he not ask Canada to stop the flow of fentanyl going across the border, then the way to do that is for the police to crack down on criminal gangs control this trade....i mean i thought thats how it works....make arrests before the drugs get to the border.... Then you thought wrong. And again Trump has not asked for additional police officers to be hired or more enforcement inside Canada or the like. In fact he basically took what he had already been given by Canada on the border and said he would extend things for 30 days while his trade minister talks to us. I know you really want to believe this but I'm sorry, this is not about the border. Border is an excuse to justify risking a trade war. 31 minutes ago, Army Guy said: you posted one clip of trump answering questions by the press....Trump talked to Justin this morning and was suppose to talk at 3 pm what they talked about is unknown to me anyways. Sounds like more of the same. A little bit about coordinating at the border and a lot about trade. More comments about how we don't let the US participate in our economy fairly and so on and so forth and how they can make their own cars and why are we making cars and how we'll have to work out the trade issues over the next 30 days. This whole thing is a show to pressure mexico and canada into making trade concessions. We didn't give him anything that we hadn't before at all, and magically the tarrifs are delayed by 30 days while our trade people negotiate. Sure we'll do some basic security enhancements and work out ways to work closer with the us and he'll go ahead and redeploy those helicopters from the military (because god knows you guys had too much gear laying around amirite?) But that's it. The big deals will be about trade. As i said from the very beginning, eventually he'll come forward and we'll see what he REALLY wants, but it's never about what he's talking about in the beginning. That was just about creating some chaos. Quote
Aristides Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: OK lets say its all about trade right now, So what is wrong with competition. we pay more because there is no competition dairy, poultry, telecommunications, maple syrup all are cartels that have jacked up prices to remain competitive internationally... in todays market why is competition bad...do you really care about where your eggs and chicken come from...and lets not even go to telecommunications where the prices are so jacked up it's not even funny now.... same as banking fees, which make multi billions every year...and it cost me more to fly to montreal than it does florida...and montreal is only a 5 hour drive or one hour flight...my question is do we need Air Canada, bank of nova scotia, or Toronto...they are not our friends and their interest is to make as much off us as possible...Why would it be so bad to open all of that up to the states ? making it cheaper for consumers...you don't like money...i know i do... Cabotage. Other than the EU, no country lets other country's airlines fly their domestic routes, including the US. Canada allows 49% foreign ownership of airlines, the US only 25%. One of the reasons it costs more to fly in Canada is it is user pay. Major airports in Canada are on federal land and airport authorities pay hundreds of millions in rent to the feds every year. Airport security, air traffic control, all add to cost of your ticket. All services paid for by government in the US. Also, many of our airlines costs are in USD but revenues are in CAD. Our professional sports teams have the same problem. If foreign carriers were allowed to fly domestic routes in Canada, they would cherry pick the most lucrative routes between major cities, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montreal and the rest of the country could go to hell. In a country the size of Canada, air travel is critical infrastructure. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: OK lets say its all about trade right now, Sorry, I missed this i'll respond now Quote So what is wrong with competition. we pay more because there is no competition dairy, poultry, telecommunications, maple syrup all are cartels that have jacked up prices to remain competitive internationally... in todays market why is competition bad...do you really care about where your eggs and chicken come from...and lets not even go to telecommunications where the prices are so jacked up it's not even funny now.... Well amusingly this was the exact debate that was being held when the first Trudeau won his first election. Basically we call this supply management, where we're going to artificially control the supply of certain goods and services for strategic reasons. To keep it simple, we limit competition in certain things to make sure that the Canadian industry does not get wiped out and we become dependent on others. While most of our agricultural industry can fend for itself it was recognized at the time for example that chickens and eggs are subsidized in the united states and they use poor quality practices so our producers would get wiped out if our market was flooded with American eggs and chicken. That would mean moving forward we would be beholden to America for eggs and chicken and if they ever decided to cut off trade for some reason we would be in real trouble. Considering what's just happened you have to kind of think about that. The same with our financial Industries, telecommunication Industries air transport and certain other Industries which if they weren't protected might get wiped out or bought out by American interests and no longer have the best interests of Canadians at heart. Now is that still appropriate? Some way to allow competition without giving up our ability to still be independent? Is this a policy we should be pursuing for all of the areas that we are? These are valid debates. I don't know that there is a simple yes or no answer, the issue is a little complex. But trump wants us to dump as many of those protections as he can possibly talk us into in order to allow Americans to compete in Canada and expand their markets. You have to weigh the pros and cons of allowing the Americans to control key strategic Industries in Canada with the fact that supply management always means we pay more money for things we could have gotten cheaper. It really deserves its own thread, it's a great question and you tell me Quote
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