Epstein Was Setup?

[robosmith]

44 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG, the congenital liars who have a publicly funded slush fund to pay off sexual assault accusers are pretending to know the names of some victims that they're not releasing? And there are charges filed with the police but none of the perennial rape-accusing Dem senators are bringing those names to light? 

Please tell us more, robotard. Your "evidence" is always so compelling. And thank you for that cite(?). 

IF you ever watched anything outside the right wing echo chamber, you wouldn't need a cite.

Pete Hegseth’s Go-To Dodge in His Confirmation Hearing

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Where Kaine made headway in asking about the allegations against Hegseth, though, was in shooting down the idea that all of them were “anonymous.” Kaine mentioned the allegation in which Hegseth, as a nonprofit executive, took co-workers to a strip club, eventually leading to a sexual harassment charge being filed by one of his co-workers.

“Anonymous false charges,” Hegseth said.

But Kaine mentioned that the committee’s senators had the name of the person making this allegation.

“You claim that this was all anonymous,” Kaine said. “We have seen records with names attached to all of these including the name of your own mother, so don’t make this into some kind of anonymous press thing.”

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You can say "please" all you want but it won't change the FACT they are right wing propaganda outlets.

NYP is even worse than than PROVEN LIARS at FOS.

IF you're trying to claim ^this is what I said or believe, YOU'RE LYING.

I was just trying to make your case for you so that you didn't to chime in. It was pretty accurate, right? 

1) you don't believe anything that isn't "verified" by CNN 2) you think that anonymous sources are the tits, as long as they're accusing conservatives. 

Fact check result: 100% true.

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

IF you ever watched anything outside the right wing echo chamber, you wouldn't need a cite.

Pete Hegseth’s Go-To Dodge in His Confirmation Hearing

 

If it's not anonymous, then where's the person's name? Do you even know what anonymous means, fackwit?

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I was just trying to make your case for you so that you didn't to chime in. It was pretty accurate, right? 

1) you don't believe anything that isn't "verified" by CNN 2) you think that anonymous sources are the tits, as long as they're accusing conservatives. 

Fact check result: 100% true.

^LYING AGAIN 🤮

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If it's not anonymous, then where's the person's name? Do you even know what anonymous means, fackwit?

LIke I and Kaine SAID, the Senators KNOW THEM and the PUBLIC DON'T. Duh

Edited January 20 by robosmith

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

LYING AGAIN

Of course you are. Would you ever tell the truth about anything?

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LIke I and Kaine SAID, the Senators KNOW THEM and the PUBLIC DON'T. Duh

They're "anonymous" then, dummy. Grab a dictionary you fuggin' turd. 

It's a completely anonymous, hollow, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated, vacant claim that anyone could make about anyone else.

If I claim that someone said something and I know their name, do you think that it's not considered anonymous anymore?

"Oooh, the whole J6 committee knows their name! It's not anonymous!!!!"

Sorry, m0r0n, it's still anonymous, only now it's even more unlikely to be untrue than it was before you mentioned the J6 committee's involvement with them.  

 

You know all about the Dems laundry list of specious, ridiculous and blatantly slanders and their track record of crimes and lies to the public about them. The Russian collusion show trial was a perfect example, and you were here posting through all of it. You know how slimy the dems and the FBI are. 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course you are. Would you ever tell the truth about anything?

^LYING AGAIN. Stop LYING.

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

They're "anonymous" then, dummy. Grab a dictionary you fuggin' turd. 

Anonymous is when nobody knows the identity lDIOT.

 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

LYING AGAIN

Thank you for that brief moment of honesty. Luckily for me I was sitting down.

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Anonymous is when nobody knows the identity lDIOT.

• anonymous
  /əˈnɒnɪməs/

  adjective

  • 1.(of a person) not identified by name; of unknown name:

What's the name, dummy? Tell us the name. 

Don't have it? Has Hegseth even heard it? 

It's less than anonymous, shithead. Tim Kaine's "I have an accusation that I choose to consider solid" is nothing more than a complete work of fiction until it becomes a specific accusation from a verified accuser with a plausible and somewhat verified story. 

The longer he refuses to flesh out this story, the more shame he brings to his already disgraced band of hapless losers. 

@robosmith what do your Tim Kaine slander and lies have to do with the fact that the FBI tried to coerce false testimony from Epstein? 

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Statutory rape has been a serious crime as long as I've been alive and conscious of the matter.

Nobody paid attention to it at that age (17). And if the cops wanted to arrest people for it they'd have to arrest the entire pantheon of rock and pop stars, including the remaining Beatles, Stones, Ledzeps, Floyds, Eagles and just about every other guy who ever had a hit record. Nobody was asking for ID when some chick with nice boobs was throwing herself at them.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I get that consensual sex with a 17-yr-old was totally legal in Canada back then (even 14 before Harper), 17 was probably legal in most western countries, but bringing them to an island and pimping them out that young was probably still quite illegal lol.

That phrase suggests Epstein was getting money for them when it seems more like he was just gifting their 'friendliness' to his friends and other big shots. The one whore who said she slept with Andrew claimed Epstein had paid her afterward. Or given her a gift, or present, however they referred to it.

The reference to the girls as 'sex slaves' in the media is an absurd one given, by their own testimony, they were never forced to go there, never forced to do anything, never beaten, never forced to stay. And the only threat made was that they'd have to leave - which they didn't want to do. Nobody was their guardian or had any other power over them. They came and traded their bodies for drugs, booze, and living the high life around the rich and famous, not unlike many, many other girls since the fifties.

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What happened to Prince Andrew was completely random and unfair... Aside from Epstein and Ghislaine, I don't know of any other adults who were tried and convicted by the MSM. And there was also the obligatory accusation against Trump, of course, but the MSM finds him guilty of everything back to the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. 

The lawyer for the whores saw money in Andrew and hoped that just causing enough embarrassment would get them a payoff - which it did. He definitely didn't want to go to trial and have his client cross-examined. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

• "I think Epstein was just the victim of changing times" - there's a word for that now: "presentism", and it has to be used hypocritically in order to be used correctly. For example: US presidents can be found guilty of growing up in a household where there were slaves present, but you can still be considered a truly decent prophet if you forced children into sex-slavery when you were 50+ years old (and this is several centuries after Christ and Buddha set far better examples). 

Presentism is just the sanctimonious virtue signaling of people who assume they would have acted completely differently given the opportunity and times. I wonder how many men, if invited to that island, would have turned down a cute young thing in a bikini that came onto them or asked for their birth certificate.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

That phrase suggests Epstein was getting money for them when it seems more like he was just gifting their 'friendliness' to his friends and other big shots. The one whore who said she slept with Andrew claimed Epstein had paid her afterward. Or given her a gift, or present, however they referred to it.The reference to the girls as 'sex slaves' in the media is an absurd one given, by their own testimony, they were never forced to go there, never forced to do anything, never beaten, never forced to stay. And the only threat made was that they'd have to leave - which they didn't want to do. Nobody was their guardian or had any other power over them. They came and traded their bodies for drugs, booze, and living the high life around the rich and famous, not unlike many, many other girls since the fifties.

So what percent of the sex workers there were women and how many were minors, by any reasonable estimate?

By media accounts you'd think that there were 12-yr-olds there, but I've never seen any references from witnesses of girls that young being there. "They couldn't have been over 16" is the youngest estimate I saw. Were adults on the menu even, or just teens? That's still creepy, even if they're 18 and 19. Maybe not illegal, but definitely creepy.

I wouldn't call 17-yr-olds whores after they got conned to a private island by those wealthy con artists though. 

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The lawyer for the whores saw money in Andrew and hoped that just causing enough embarrassment would get them a payoff - which it did. He definitely didn't want to go to trial and have his client cross-examined. 

Makes sense.

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Presentism is just the sanctimonious virtue signaling of people who assume they would have acted completely differently given the opportunity and times. I wonder how many men, if invited to that island, would have turned down a cute young thing in a bikini that came onto them or asked for their birth certificate.

I think there are a lot of guys who wouldn't have sex with a girl that was 16, or appeared to be, but I LMAO at the guys here who pretend that they wouldn't have slept with Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Nobody paid attention to it at that age (17). And if the cops wanted to arrest people for it they'd have to arrest the entire pantheon of rock and pop stars, including the remaining Beatles, Stones, Ledzeps, Floyds, Eagles and just about every other guy who ever had a hit record. Nobody was asking for ID when some chick with nice boobs was throwing herself at them.

TBH, I have no doubt that 16-17 yr-old girls were getting drugs from those rock stars, and IMO that's far worse than having sex with them. 

Creepy, unsatisfying sex with a scrawny musician who's drunk and stoned wouldn't do as much harm to a young girl as the introduction to cocaine and other hard drugs did. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Thank you for that brief moment of honesty. Luckily for me I was sitting down.

Thank you for proving YOU'RE LYING by misquoting me. STOP LYING!

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

• anonymous
  /əˈnɒnɪməs/

  adjective

  • 1.(of a person) not identified by name; of unknown name:

The Senators know the names, so they are KNOWN. Duh

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What's the name, dummy? Tell us the name. 

Don't have it? Has Hegseth even heard it? 

NOT PUBLICLY KNOWN is NOT "UNKNOWN."

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's less than anonymous, shithead. Tim Kaine's "I have an accusation that I choose to consider solid" is nothing more than a complete work of fiction until it becomes a specific accusation from a verified accuser with a plausible and somewhat verified story. 

 

Thanks for PROVING YOU'RE LYING AGAIN by misquoting Kaine.

 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The longer he refuses to flesh out this story, the more shame he brings to his already disgraced band of hapless losers. 

@robosmith what do your Tim Kaine slander and lies have to do with the fact that the FBI tried to coerce false testimony from Epstein? 

Prove Kaine LIED. You CANNOT. NOR can you prove "false testimony from Epstein." Duh

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nobody paid attention to it at that age (17). And if the cops wanted to arrest people for it they'd have to arrest the entire pantheon of rock and pop stars, including the remaining Beatles, Stones, Ledzeps, Floyds, Eagles and just about every other guy who ever had a hit record. Nobody was asking for ID when some chick with nice boobs was throwing herself at them.

If the young lady never complained nor wanted to testify, NO CASE could be made.

Sorry to inform you that police are NOT OBLIGATED to make arrests without EVIDENCE such as testimony from the victim.

[Hodad]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Libbies... @robosmith, @DUI_Offender and @Hodad have no argument so they denigrate the news agencies that reported this. They are generally good with "unnamed sources" and the likes of CNN and MSNBC because they will tell them what they want to hear.

The problem they have is...the NYP is proven correct more often than not, as is Gateway Pundit. Their chosen news sources are...well...less than correct more often than not.

Poor Libbies...they live lives of lies and "misinformation".

I haven't commented on this story or the sources, but now that you ask...  Sure, we should all have "arguments" about unverified jailhouse comments reported by shitty propaganda outfits. 

Gateway Pundit is an alt right flash in the pan bankrupted due to libel suits and the NYP has always been tabloid junk. 

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

I haven't commented on this story or the sources, but now that you ask...  Sure, we should all have "arguments" about unverified jailhouse comments reported by shitty propaganda outfits. 

Gateway Pundit is an alt right flash in the pan bankrupted due to libel suits and the NYP has always been tabloid junk. 

Sure you have.

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I didn't think they understand anything about reporting either. "Anonymous" doesn't mean the reporter doesn't know, and it doesn't mean it isn't fact checked. It simply means the person doesn't want to be targeted by the goddamn crazies or face retribution at work.

You try to defend the use of anonymous or unnamed sources.

Unfortunately...bot the NYP and the Gateway Pundit have much better records of being correct than the twisted garbage you tend to cite.

[Hodad]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sure you have.

You try to defend the use of anonymous or unnamed sources.

Unfortunately...bot the NYP and the Gateway Pundit have much better records of being correct than the twisted garbage you tend to cite.

That's not commentary on this story. 

And no they don't have any such reputation, lol. The NYP is one of the least trusted "news" sources. And the GPS isn't even in the same league as that. Not in any way a serious news outlet. National Enquirer quality in a much smaller scale. Just a way to monetize the old codgers who used to open and send conservative chain emails.

You're the target audience for that crap. Congrats!

Edited January 20 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

I haven't commented on this story or the sources, but now that you ask...  Sure, we should all have "arguments" about unverified jailhouse comments reported by shitty propaganda outfits. 

Gateway Pundit is an alt right flash in the pan bankrupted due to libel suits and the NYP has always been tabloid junk. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Senators know the names, so they are KNOWN. Duh

You can't possibly know that. Just because little Timmy Kaine and Maisy Hirono said that they have accusers and names doesn't mean jack shit you stupid loser. Hirono was the one who yelled "ALL WOMEN MUST BE BELIEVED!!!" and then went on to never believe anyone who accused Democrats. She's a liar. Kaine's a liar. They also pretended that Blasey-Ford was a credible accuser.  

Right now there is an ANONYMOUS claim, because it's THE ACCUSER ISN'T IDENTIFIED BY NAME. You don't have any proof that anyone has a name. "Tim Kaine said it" doesn't constitute proof of anything, dipshit.

No name = no accusation, period. 

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, Hodad said:

That's not commentary on this story. 

And no they don't have any such reputation, lol. The NYP is one of the least trusted "news" sources. And the GPS isn't even in the same league as that. Not in any way a serious news outlet. National Enquirer quality in a much smaller scale. Just a way to monetize the old codgers who used to open and send conservative chain emails.

You're the target audience for that crap. Congrats!

Least trusted by you Libbies. But that's because they make you all look like fools on a regular basis.

[Black Dog]

So what I'm getting from the OP is Trump had Epstein killed because he had info on Trump's pedophilia. Huge if true.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You can't possibly know that. Just because little Timmy Kaine and Maisy Hirono said that they have accusers and names doesn't mean jack shit you stupid loser. Hirono was the one who yelled "ALL WOMEN MUST BE BELIEVED!!!" and then went on to never believe anyone who accused Democrats. She's a liar. Kaine's a liar. They also pretended that Blasey-Ford was a credible accuser.  

Right now there is an ANONYMOUS claim, because it's THE ACCUSER ISN'T IDENTIFIED BY NAME. You don't have any proof that anyone has a name. "Tim Kaine said it" doesn't constitute proof of anything, dipshit.

No name = no accusation, period. 

It means MUCH MORE than your gratuitous denial. Duh

[CouchPotato]

On 1/18/2025 at 11:14 PM, DUI_Offender said:

The Gateway Pundit??

That "news" source, is not even worthy enough to cover your floor in case of paint droppings, if painting one's home.

They are definitely right-wing biased. And I think they do a lot of speculation journalism and get a lot wrong. But you know what I have noticed about them. They usually have articles on there everyday that become mainstream news stories a few days to a week later.

[BeaverFever]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:05 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Everyone always wondered why Epstein got away with what he was doing for so long. The most logical explanation was that he was being protected by powerful people. So why did he get arrested when he got arrested? This might be a clue:

Did Epstein get arrested to put pressure on him to out Trump? That would explain why they didn't release his client list. That would explain why he "committed suicide" with the cameras not working and the guards not watching. 

Except that doesn’t make sense why would they kill him then?  Trump was president when it all happened it all went down on his watch. so maybe it was Trump who organized the whole thing to keep details of his decade and a half  of partying amd womanizing with Epstein a secret 

 

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

- Donald Trump OCT. 28, 2002

https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/