Popular Post betsy Posted January 18 Popular Post Report Posted January 18 (edited) Don't let Trudeau have you see it through his warped lens. I can understand other nations would want to use tariff for what they think is for the good of their own nation(s). If Trump - or any other leaders - would do it to us, the way I see it is......................that's just the way it is. BUT, we can all tighten our belts, and stand together. BUT - the LIBERAL PARTY (Trudeau and MPs), don't have the MORAL ground to lead us into this, and expect Canadians to stand with them! HECK - it's one thing for another nation to inflict pain on us.............but, it's really quite another for our very own PM to be inflicting hurt on us....................... ........................... ON TOP OF WHAT WE KNOW, IS GONNA BREAK SO MANY OF US! The tarrif is one thing. The carbon tax, is quite another. Why would I expect Smith to stand with Trudeau for the so-called good of the country? Is Trudeau standing for us? I don't think so. HECK - what good for the country is the carbon tax gonna be? Why should Canadians wait for a new Prime Minister to cancel it? I'm asking: Why is our PM hurting us so badly? Why can't he say, "because of the tarrif that will hurt our people, I'm going to cancel the carbon tax that's supposed to come on April, and postpone it for another time, to help ease the hurt the tarrif will inflict on our people." I'm not going to find fault with Danielle Smith. BUT I surely, am pointing my finger at TRUDEAU! HOW COULD YOU? Edited January 18 by betsy 4 1 Quote
betsy Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 (edited) To add salt and insult to injury..... Carney was implying he'll do away with the carbon tax. He's gonna replace it with something that won't hurt. Its not because he thinks of us. Let's not kid ourselves! He's going to do it because POILIEVRE promises to do it! The gall! They're using pain to pressure Canadians into voting them back in. SHAME ON THE LIBERALS! I hope they end up with only 1 seat or none at all! Edited January 18 by betsy 4 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 BINGO betsy! The Canadian Liberals are panicking and doing what the Democrats tried. Copy the common sense of their adversary in hopes nobody will remember they supported Pixie-Dust and his destructive ideas all along. Will Canadians fall for this brand of chickenshit politics? Gawd I hope not! 3 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
herbie Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 (edited) She's not a demon, just a f*cking traitor. An entire career of nothing but picking fights with Ottawa, we're not surprised at all she's back stabbed her own country. Deport her to the USA where she'd be happy and could run for office somewhere people gave a shit about her beloved State's rights above that of their own country. Edited January 18 by herbie 2 3 Quote
blackbird Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Oil and gas is the main industry in Alberta. That is different than Ontario, Quebec, and B.C. which have other industries. I never heard Ford say Ontario will be willing to put an export tax on the auto industry. Obviously, they think they can use Alberta as a sacrificial offering. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 21 minutes ago, blackbird said: Oil and gas is the main industry in Alberta. That is different than Ontario, Quebec, and B.C. which have other industries. I never heard Ford say Ontario will be willing to put an export tax on the auto industry. Obviously, they think they can use Alberta as a sacrificial offering. There won't be an export tax on anything if Trump puts a tariff on it. Quote
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 10 hours ago, betsy said: The tarrif is one thing. The carbon tax, is quite another. It sure is, the carbon tax actually helps those Canadians who need the help the most. 10 hours ago, betsy said: To add salt and insult to injury..... Carney was implying he'll do away with the carbon tax. He's gonna replace it with something that won't hurt. Well, I guess that's Carney's first official lie then because there is no CO2 emission plan that hurts less than the carbon tax. As an economist he should know that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 11 hours ago, betsy said: Its not because he thinks of us. Let's not kid ourselves! He's going to do it because POILIEVRE promises to do it! Poilievre also has a CO2 plan to replace the carbon tax you know. It'll be more expensive, less effective and hurt Canadians even more. Which raises the question, assuming the vast majority of his supporters who either think anthropogenic global warming is bullshit or simply don't care how can they possibly support his emission reductions plans if they'll only cause greater pain? Never mind who Poilievre is kidding, who are his supporters trying to kid? 3 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Aristides said: There won't be an export tax on anything if Trump puts a tariff on it. Sure there will be. Trump can put a 25% tax on electrical exports which makes it painful for Americans but there's no stopping the government from putting 100% tariff on and saying well basically you can't buy it and really putting the pain to the Americas. Or just banning the sale outright. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I've touched on this before but here's my problem with the whole Alberta situation .They are utterly dependent on oil. Trudeau has spent 10 years wrecking their industry, threatening them, hurting them and making them weaker. He then made every effort to guarantee that they only have one customer, the united states. He shot down almost every other attempt to get oil to markets elsewhere even elsewhere in Canada. From other countries because trudeau didn't want to see us buying oil from Alberta and support that So now that he has weakened them, and force them to deal with only one customer, and mistreated them for political gain, now he and other loser lefties are screaming about how unreasonable they are to take steps to protect their income and their industry and lose the only customer that the government has left them with. For 10 years Canada beat up on this province and now after we've left them bloodied and bruised we demand they do what's in best interest of the country. That is just unfair. I tend to agree with the team Canada approach, I tend to agree that we should say all options are on the table even if we don't really believe that, I believe that when a bully bullies you then the best thing to do is punch them as hard as you can in the face even if it means you're going to get beat up afterwards. But I completely and 100% have absolute sympathy for smith and the other albertans even left wing ones who are basically saying after all of that we are not prepared to take yet another hit for your benefit. Quote
betsy Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 (edited) 10 hours ago, herbie said: She's not a demon, just a f*cking traitor. An entire career of nothing but picking fights with Ottawa, we're not surprised at all she's back stabbed her own country. Deport her to the USA where she'd be happy and could run for office somewhere people gave a shit about her beloved State's rights above that of their own country. The traitors to Canada are the LIBERAL PARTY and JAGMEET SINGH. I don't think Liberal Canadians voted the Liberals to be the clone of the NDP. It was TRUDEAU's Liberal Party - propped by Singh - who'd copycatted from his admired dictators, and had violated constitutional rights! Lol - Trudeau and his minions, had already put us right smack into deep shit way before Trump had threatened us with the tarrif. Don't you forget that! Edited January 19 by betsy Quote
blackbird Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 13 hours ago, eyeball said: there is no CO2 emission plan that hurts less than the carbon tax. You would have to be pretty dumb to think carbon taxes made any difference at all to greenhouse gas emissions or the climate. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 14 minutes ago, blackbird said: You would have to be pretty dumb to think carbon taxes made any difference at all to greenhouse gas emissions or the climate. Turning away from further AGW is like turning the Titanic. You'd have to be spectacularly impatient if you expect things to turn on a dime. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: Turning away from further AGW is like turning the Titanic. You'd have to be spectacularly impatient if you expect things to turn on a dime. For the umpteenth time, man cannot control the climate and never will. Climate change is a normal occurrence. Quote
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: For the umpteenth time, man cannot control the climate and never will. It's humans who are out of control. 33 minutes ago, blackbird said: Climate change is a normal occurrence. Yup, it doesn't give a damn how we feel about it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's humans who are out of control. Yup, it doesn't give a damn how we feel about it. Do you believe in Jesus Christ? What do you believe? People who are more concerned about trying to control the climate than where their own soul is heading need to give their head a shake and read the Bible. You are concerned about the wrong things. Hell is real; heaven is real. They are real places. Which place are you heading for? Read the gospel of John. "16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV Worrying about climate change will do you absolutely no good. No benefit at all. Carbon taxes on Canadians is nothing but a scam. Most of the world don't pay carbon taxes. Russia, China, India, and the U.S., the biggest countries in the world and most powerful pay no carbon taxes. It is a scam. What we in B.C. paid the past 17 years has done nothing for the climate. Quebecers don't even pay carbon taxes. How is that fair? Wake up! It is nothing more than a wealth redistribution scheme. It is not rebated to those who paid the most carbon taxes. It is rebated according to income to a degree. Has nothing to do with how much CO2 someone emitted or paid in carbon taxes. Edited January 19 by blackbird Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 38 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's humans who are out of control. Yup, it doesn't give a damn how we feel about it. Human-Caused climate change is new. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Just now, blackbird said: People who are more concerned about trying to control the climate No one is trying to control the climate. It's just something you and Marjorie Taylor Green say. 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: What we Canadians paid the past 17 years has done nothing for the climate. Wake up! It is nothing more than a wealth redistribution scheme. You do realize Alberta was the first to implement carbon pricing right? 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: It is not rebated to those who paid the most carbon taxes. It is rebated according to income to a degree. Has nothing to do with how much CO2 someone emitted or paid in carbon taxes. It's rebated to those who've paid a higher percentage of their income in carbon tax than wealthier Canadians. It's a simple fact that wealthier Canadians emit more C02 and that's why they don't get the rebate. You're thoughts are utterly out whack with reality on multiple levels. Starting of course with the notion that the climate can be controlled. Nobody believes the climate can be controlled and that's why no one is talking about controlling the climate. Only you. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: You do realize Alberta was the first to implement carbon pricing right? B.C. Liberals under Premier Gordon Campbell implemented the carbon taxes in B.C. in 2008. I kept receipts for the years after that up to 2016 and paid about $300 a year in carbon taxes and got no rebate. In those eight years it cost me about $2,400 as a retired person and no rebate. What difference does it make who implemented carbon taxes first. It was all a scam. 22 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's rebated to those who've paid a higher percentage of their income in carbon tax No, that is false. Rebate have nothing to do That how much someone paid in carbon taxes. Look at the government website on rebates. It is based on income. 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nobody believes the climate can be controlled and that's why no one is talking about controlling the climate. That is totally false. Ask Trudeau or ask Michael Hardner on here. Every liberal and NDPer will tell you the purpose of carbon taxes is to control the CO2 emissions and thereby control global warming or the climate. If that is not the purpose, why is it called carbon tax? Quote
blackbird Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nobody believes the climate can be controlled Even Michael Hardner's motto on the bottom of every post says: Click here to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS. That is the motto over every carbon tax scammer/climate change control worshiper. Quote
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 1 hour ago, blackbird said: B.C. Liberals under Premier Gordon Campbell implemented the carbon taxes in B.C. in 2008. I kept receipts for the years after that up to 2016 and paid about $300 a year in carbon taxes and got no rebate. In those eight years it cost me about $2,400 as a retired person and no rebate. British Columbia rebates carbon taxes through the Climate Action Tax Credit (BCCATC) a tax-free payment that helps low- and moderate-income individuals and families offset the cost of carbon taxes. If you didn't get this it's because you earned too much. Quit your sniveling, man up and get control of yourself. 1 hour ago, blackbird said: What difference does it make who implemented carbon taxes first. It was all a scam. You say that about virtually every tax. Do you feel the same way about taxes on tobacco or booze? 1 hour ago, blackbird said: No, that is false. Rebate have nothing to do That how much someone paid in carbon taxes. Look at the government website on rebates. It is based on income. Yes that's right it's based on income just like I said. 1 hour ago, blackbird said: That is totally false. Ask Trudeau or ask Michael Hardner on here. Every liberal and NDPer will tell you the purpose of carbon taxes is to control the CO2 emissions and thereby control global warming or the climate. It's to control emissions not the climate. Ask Michael, Trudeau and the conservatives who created carbon pricing and taxes in the first place and they will all tell you the same thing. No one can control the climate. You'd have to be nuts like Marjorie Taylor Green to believe that hooey. 1 hour ago, blackbird said: If that is not the purpose, why is it called carbon tax? The intent is to encourage you to control how much CO2 you emit. If you are a heavy emitter you are free to invest in technology that emits less thereby reducing the amount of tax you pay. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Even Michael Hardner's motto on the bottom of every post says: Click here to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS. That is the motto over every carbon tax scammer/climate change control worshiper. No, you're the only one introducing the ridiculous notion carbon tax do anything at all to control the climate. Humans cannot control the climate but we can certainly change it though. Change and control are two entirely different things and saying they're the same is either disingenuous or retarded. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Turning away from further AGW is like turning the Titanic. You'd have to be spectacularly impatient if you expect things to turn on a dime. Sure, if we just gave the carbon tax another couple hundred of years we'd see right? 🙄🙄 If it can't make a noticeable significant difference in 10 years, it's not going to in any reasonable time. You were told this. You were told it would not work and it would lead to people being sick of paying for "Climate action". The liberals never even thought it would work in the first place. If you expect something to work you put targets in place and then you monitor to see if those targets were hit. they didn't either. They never had any goal in mind and they never checked to see how it was doing and admitted as much directly. You and the left had your chance to deal with climate change. You had your chance to show that something that we could do could make a difference. You had free run and could have gotten away with anything. But you blew it and simply used it as an excuse to steal people's money and tax them further to no benefit and now they're fed up and it's your fault 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Blah blah blah 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I can say something stupid faster than you can say something intelligent because i practice. Quote
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