CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 3 hours ago, cannuck said: Oh, Grasshopper, I have to take you to task...again. They are 100% competent at executing their actual plans. Do you have an idea how much porkfat drips out of a barrel overrunning by $20++ BILLION???? There are chiefs and band counsellors smiling all of the way to their offshore bank accounts with all of the generosity we taxpayers used to buy their obligations to the LPC. But it didn't buy them any votes. Incompetent Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) https://vancouversun.com/business/energy/suncor-leasing-oil-tanker-ships-to-carry-crude-from-trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion Edited January 19 by Aristides Quote
cannuck Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: No the original Transmountain ships light crude and refined product in batches. Light crude for the Parkland refinery in Burnaby and the refineries in Ferndale and Anacortes Washington, as well as refined product for BC because we can now only refine less than 50% of what we need, since our oil companies decided to shut down three refineries and move production to Edmonton. The TMX expansion that cost over 30B is exclusively for the export of Alberta heavy oil. This is correct. However: it is not just about getting AB Bitumen to tidewater, it is about taking dilbit off of incredibly dangerous rail and moving it far more safely. If anyone actually gave a flying purple f*** about the environmental impact they would make it illegal to ship dilbit (dilluted bitumen with very difficult characteristics if spilled) and do a full step of value added by upgrading to synthetic crude (as does Syncrude, GCOS/Suncor, CNRL and Shell Scotford) producing a much safer and easier product to ship that is ideal feedstock for conventional refineries. Quote
Aristides Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, cannuck said: This is correct. However: it is not just about getting AB Bitumen to tidewater, it is about taking dilbit off of incredibly dangerous rail and moving it far more safely. If anyone actually gave a flying purple f*** about the environmental impact they would make it illegal to ship dilbit (dilluted bitumen with very difficult characteristics if spilled) and do a full step of value added by upgrading to synthetic crude (as does Syncrude, GCOS/Suncor, CNRL and Shell Scotford) producing a much safer and easier product to ship that is ideal feedstock for conventional refineries. There will be 34 Aframax tankers a month leaving the terminal in Burnaby each capable of carrying 600,000 barrels. There is no way you could fill those by rail. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 44 minutes ago, Aristides said: There will be 34 Aframax tankers a month leaving the terminal in Burnaby each capable of carrying 600,000 barrels. There is no way you could fill those by rail. Yeah but he's still right about the dangers of rail. The less oil moving that way the better. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
PIK Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Smith put all her cards on the table and boxed herself in. Like to play poker with her. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cannuck Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 41 minutes ago, PIK said: Smith put all her cards on the table and boxed herself in. Like to play poker with her. Hey, this is a family website. Don't say such things. 2 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Aristides said: No the original Transmountain ships light crude and refined product in batches. Light crude for the Parkland refinery in Burnaby and the refineries in Ferndale and Anacortes Washington, as well as refined product for BC because we can now only refine less than 50% of what we need, since our oil companies decided to shut down three refineries and move production to Edmonton. The TMX expansion that cost over 30B is exclusively for the export of Alberta heavy oil. But keep it up, I'm sure your posts are music to Trump's ears. So BC is refining light crude, is it for it's own use or export....what drove the closure of the other refineries? Why not build a heavy or bitumen refinery to solve BC 's lack of production capacity....instead of buying refined US products... I'm not playing anyone's music, but trying to understand the whole oil and gas issue in BC...it sounds like oil and gas were not wanted in BC and moved. I'm not a trump fan, but i also see the reality, trump sees us as weak and divided ( that's before smiths actions)and he is going to take advantage of that...Just ask yourself has Justins liberals had the best interests of this country for the last 10 years, i don't think so, and i for one don't want any liberal to fix this mess they created... only to be changed with a new government....I don't trust them...our position is weak, we depend on the US for more than they depend on us...our government is weak to start with, and this Tariff situation makes us weaker...Canadians have no confidence in the government...and now the courts have decided Justin prorogue action is invalid....Not justified, so we may be heading to an election sooner rather than later....which means everything for the liberals, the timeline just got shorter....I'm not sure what happens after this , since it is the first in our history... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: So BC is refining light crude, is it for it's own use or export....what drove the closure of the other refineries? Why not build a heavy or bitumen refinery to solve BC 's lack of production capacity....instead of buying refined US products... I'm not playing anyone's music, but trying to understand the whole oil and gas issue in BC...it sounds like oil and gas were not wanted in BC and moved. I'm not a trump fan, but i also see the reality, trump sees us as weak and divided ( that's before smiths actions)and he is going to take advantage of that...Just ask yourself has Justins liberals had the best interests of this country for the last 10 years, i don't think so, and i for one don't want any liberal to fix this mess they created... only to be changed with a new government....I don't trust them...our position is weak, we depend on the US for more than they depend on us...our government is weak to start with, and this Tariff situation makes us weaker...Canadians have no confidence in the government...and now the courts have decided Justin prorogue action is invalid....Not justified, so we may be heading to an election sooner rather than later....which means everything for the liberals, the timeline just got shorter....I'm not sure what happens after this , since it is the first in our history... BC has single refinery and it only supplies less than 50% its needs, the rest comes from Alberta and Washington State refineries. If you want to know why the others were closed, ask the oil companies because there was no pressure to close them from BC, it was a bottom line corporate decision. Trump doesn't give a rats ass who you blame but he sure loves it when we blame each other and not him. FFS, get over Trudeau and start thinking of your country, he is just another PM and will be gone in a couple of months. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 17 hours ago, Aristides said: FFS, get over Trudeau and start thinking of your country, he is just another PM and will be gone in a couple of months. I'm certain you would have said that about Hitler back in the days and rolled your eyes that people weren't ready to vote Nazi again now that he was gone, but the fact is people aren't going to forget like that and he was not just another prime minister. He was easily the most destructive prime minister in our history. We will be living with his misdeeds for a couple of generations and everybody needs to remember exactly what he and his liberals did to us. Never again Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 18 hours ago, Aristides said: BC has single refinery and it only supplies less than 50% its needs, the rest comes from Alberta and Washington State refineries. If you want to know why the others were closed, ask the oil companies because there was no pressure to close them from BC, it was a bottom line corporate decision. Trump doesn't give a rats ass who you blame but he sure loves it when we blame each other and not him. FFS, get over Trudeau and start thinking of your country, he is just another PM and will be gone in a couple of months. That's because as a nation we are divided, and that the liberal government played a huge roll in that... When Canadians start thinking about their country first, then call me, i put my country first for 35 years during my service in our military, I think i earned the right to ask questions, or even criticise our government and our nation's direction.... I can count on one hand the times the majority of Canadians stepped up and sacrificed anything for this country...And now we are panicking over the consequences we put in place do to interests elsewhere....or should i say lack of action on our part....Sorry, good luck with all of that.... And NO i will not get over the guy that has brought so much destruction to this nation, with so many extreme left policies, that makes no sense at all....he will be remembered as the worst PM in our history, and i will do my part to ensure Thats the way he is remembered... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 The Lib-NDP people ruined this country and it's time they paid something for it. It will take years for Conservatives to clean up the mess. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, blackbird said: The Lib-NDP people ruined this country and it's time they paid something for it. It will take years for Conservatives to clean up the mess. You're not wrong but sadly it won't be the liberals who are paying for it Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 On 1/16/2025 at 11:54 AM, godzilla said: when Norway discovered oil in the 1970's they nationalized the profits and now have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds on earth. Alberta's situation is unique, in that you can't just put a tube down there and pump it up like they do in most other places. Extraction is difficult, and expensive, and relies on the development of new technologies in order to stay profitable. Then Alberta oil gets pumped down to the states where it sells for less than any other oil on the planet. Alberta definitely gets a raw deal on their oil sales, but an even worse deal from confederation. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Alberta's situation is unique, in that you can't just put a tube down there and pump it up like they do in most other places. Extraction is difficult, and expensive, and relies on the development of new technologies in order to stay profitable. Then Alberta oil gets pumped down to the states where it sells for less than any other oil on the planet. Alberta definitely gets a raw deal on their oil sales, but an even worse deal from confederation. And that's now, they got it even worse back with the NEP. One of Trudeau 1's people wrote a book admitting it was their plan to milk alberta dry to buy votes in ontario/quebec with the money. I remember droves of Alberta families coming to bc to escape the hard times that resulted and start over. Then the oil industry is finally rebuilt, and just in time for trudeau 2 to come along and make life hell for them again. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
cannuck Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 On 1/20/2025 at 6:34 PM, WestCanMan said: Alberta's situation is unique, in that you can't just put a tube down there and pump it up like they do in most other places. Extraction is difficult, and expensive, and relies on the development of new technologies in order to stay profitable. Then Alberta oil gets pumped down to the states where it sells for less than any other oil on the planet. Alberta definitely gets a raw deal on their oil sales, but an even worse deal from confederation. The Athabasca Oil Sands are hardly unique. There are many other "uncoventional reserves" with similar density and sulphur levels all over the planet. ALL of these sell for a considerable discount from reference crudes. There is no one price for "oil", just an industry agreed reference for each production region. What is different very about the Athabasca deposit (it stretches darn near to MB) is that if you call it "oil" it is the largest contiguous reservoir in the world - possibly greater than the rest of the world's petroleum hydrocarbon reserves combined. Somewhat unique is that significant proportion of the deposits are close enough to the surface around the Ft. McMurray - Fort McKay region to be mined in open pits. What is missing so far for the MUCH larger deeper portion is a practical and sustainable way to get it out of the groiund. In the early days there was even thoughts of using a small thermonuclear device to make a glass lined (from melted sand) hot pocket that could be pumped. That one didn't go ahead...obviously. Where "we" as a country, province and industry have genuinely screwed up is allowing heavy oil to be shipped by rail (as "ralibit" and pipeline (as "dillbit"), As I believe I mentioned earlier, we should allow export only of synthetic crude ("syncrde) that can not only go into a pipeline but can be fed to pretty much any "light oil" refinery. THEN we get maximum value from the resource due to value added. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: She's not wrong. You cannot harm a province for 10 years and then claim that they owe you. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 On 1/20/2025 at 5:19 PM, blackbird said: The Lib-NDP people ruined this country and it's time they paid something for it. It will take years for Conservatives to clean up the mess. If the Conservatives are anything like the UCP, we are in big trouble. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, DUI_Offender said: If the Conservatives are anything like the UCP, we are in big trouble. Yes, because Alberta is such a poor province with zero prosperity and no hope for the future. And by the way, after 10 years of the liberals we are already in big trouble. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) On 1/20/2025 at 6:19 PM, blackbird said: The Lib-NDP people ruined this country and it's time they paid something for it. It will take years for Conservatives to clean up the mess. The Liberals and NDP won't pay, the whole damn country will. Godamit Canadians can be such parochial m*rons. They would screw the whole bloody country just because they don't like a particular political party. Edited January 23 by Aristides Quote
blackbird Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Aristides said: They would screw the whole bloody country just because they don't like a particular political party. Most Canadians have wakened up to the wreck Trudeau Liberals and NDP have made of the country. How is it after nine years of wrecking our economy and country, you don't see it?????????????? After nine years of Trudeau and the Liberals, there are thousands of people living in tents, a million more going to food banks and millions cannot afford a home because they cost over a million dollars now in the major cities. Home prices have at least doubled since Trudeau got in in 2015. The health care system is a train wreck. Approximately 15,000 people died on waiting lists in the 2023-2024 year. Millions of Canadians do not have a family doctor. Massive government debt and 50% or more increase in the size of the civil service. Crime is rampant with repeat offenders catch and release justice system. Yet, you still seem to support the train wreck of a system under the Liberals-NDP coalition and ideology. Edited January 23 by blackbird Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 6 hours ago, Aristides said: The Liberals and NDP won't pay, the whole damn country will. Godamit Canadians can be such parochial m*rons. They would screw the whole bloody country just because they don't like a particular political party. 100% right Liberal /NDP voters continued to support this Government for 10 years....They have divided us so much that just fixing that divide is going to take years to fix...And don't expect Liberals to suddenly drop their hatred of conservatives and help fix what is broken.....Nothing is going to move forward until this current government is out of office.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: If the Conservatives are anything like the UCP, we are in big trouble. Yes, you should start digging that bunker today....I mean how worse can it get from here, Justin broke our country, leaving it defenceless, and now trump is going to finish it off, it is time you wake up and who you vote for has consequences...we are here today because of your choices and millions like you...Take a bow you deserve it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Most Canadians have wakened up to the wreck Trudeau Liberals and NDP have made of the country. How is it after nine years of wrecking our economy and country, you don't see it?????????????? After nine years of Trudeau and the Liberals, there are thousands of people living in tents, a million more going to food banks and millions cannot afford a home because they cost over a million dollars now in the major cities. Home prices have at least doubled since Trudeau got in in 2015. The health care system is a train wreck. Approximately 15,000 people died on waiting lists in the 2023-2024 year. Millions of Canadians do not have a family doctor. Massive government debt and 50% or more increase in the size of the civil service. Crime is rampant with repeat offenders catch and release justice system. Yet, you still seem to support the train wreck of a system under the Liberals-NDP coalition and ideology. Exactly what I said, you would take Trump's side against your own country just because you don't like Trudeau who will be gone by March. People like you are music to Donny's ears You should really get rid of that BC flag and use the Stars and Stripes, you are an insult to the people of your province. Edited January 23 by Aristides Quote
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