Peterson interview with Poilievre reveals the dire condition of Canada and what PP will do about it.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

How are we 'better'? I can certainly think of how we're worse.

A country that tries and have dozens of different people of color cultures, languages, traditions, and religions is a mixture for disaster for the hosts of a country. After awhile, when the people of color numbers start to grow en masse the host people get pushed aside and begin to become a minority and they then become a second class citizen in their own country. As examples: East Indians and Asians now have their own newspapers, radio and TV stations, schools, places for praying, businesses, and the government services them in their own language, why would they want to become a part of the hosts culture? For them, speaking the hosts language is probably a bit of an inconvenience for them, for now. 

As long as we keep voting in the lefty liberals and NDP socialists things will only get worse. Bureaucracy and taxes will only get bigger. Just saying. 

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You actually were the one that stole my idea.

No, you mangled what I said then peddled that as your own 

Woke is not the issue you think it is and that Poilievre hopes it is with the electorate. It'll be a dying horse that's been flogged about as much as it can be and the only reason to keep flogging it will be to hide the fact there's nothing else to peddle.

That'll become more obvious when everything else is continuing to circle the drain.

[WestCanMan]

On 1/2/2025 at 8:20 PM, DUI_Offender said:

The fact that PP is even agreeing to be interviewed with that traitor, is yet another sign that he is not fit to be PM.

He should only allow himself to be interviewed by non-biased paragons of integrity like Rosemary Barton. Right, dummy? 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, you mangled what I said then peddled that as your own 

 

If by mangled you mean came up with something that you had never said and presented it in a clear and obvious manner then sure  

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Woke is not the issue you think it is and that Poilievre hopes it is with the electorate. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If by mangled you mean came up with something that you had never said and presented it in a clear and obvious manner then sure

Yup, that's what you did alright, sure as shit.

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, that's what you did alright, sure as shit.

 

You've been saying so for decades now  

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You've been saying so for decades now  

And you've been doing it for a couple years now, thanks for confirming it. 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

A country that tries and have dozens of different people of color cultures, languages, traditions, and religions is a mixture for disaster for the hosts of a country

Spoken like a true dinosaur, mouthing the attitudes we heard around the dinner table in 1972. Usually from the weird uncles that told us Mussolini made the trains run on time and how BC Premier Dave Barrett was 'one clever Jew".
As we're all aware there are many fellow retrogrades that can't cope with modern life and praise the 'good old days' of hangings, strap, the Lord's Prayer and Narional Anthems in school, when slapping your kids and wives was acceptable. before they "let" Natives vote or drink in bars, 'allowed' gays to NOT be jailed and sent women in pants home from work or school.

Oh yes, it's just so awful having to put up with someone's accent or turban instead of your own Mom or Grqmpa's German, Polish or Scot one at home every day. And dressing like a normal person when the Minister comes for dinner and SHE says the Grace beforehand.
Yeah dealing with smog and being told not to pick the salmonberries in the alley because of the lead exhaust, septic tanks and party lines, dumping used oil in the ditches were so much better.

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[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

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You've been saying so for decades now 

And you've been doing it for a couple years now, thanks for confirming it. 

Decades is the same as a couple of years?

Sigh. Your math skills are as bad as your debate skills. 

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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Decades is the same as a couple of years?

Sigh. Your math skills are as bad as your debate skills. 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

 

Drinking a little early this week aren't you?  

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Drinking a little early this week aren't you?  

Not at all.

I just wanted you to know....that you are my American hero.

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Not at all.

I just wanted you to know....that you are my American hero.

Uh Huh.   Well don't forget to call in sick in the morning.

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Uh Huh.   Well don't forget to call in sick in the morning.

I am  love sick for you, big boy.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I am  love sick for you, big boy.

Sure kid. Nighty night. 

[Venandi]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

languages, traditions, and religions is a mixture for disaster

Perhaps I'm jaded, but that's pretty much what I've seen of the world... and despite Easter Bunny rhetoric to the contrary, keeping the peace in places with lots of diversity in a small area (that demographic concentration thingy) can be a bit of a challenge.

People here (who themselves are incapable of minding their own damn business) often view it through the lens of ethnic food, festivals and colourful clothing. In reality, we can't even decide on which bathroom to use or whether male powerlifters competing in female events have an unfair advantage,

Imagine being in a country with real problems and having to explain our little bathroom dilemma to village elders in a scenario where your own credibility is the key to resolving THEIR issues.  I nominate Herb for the job. 

I had a peace keeping tour cancelled at short notice prior to retiring, the UN mandate was modified and my line number was cut. Lot's of issues there to be sure but one of them (at least IMO) was the existence of 64 different tribes and about 60 different languages. I've yet to meet anyone who's ever been to places like that who came back thinking it's EBE (Easter Bunny Easy). 

Then again, what is EBE, even for Herb, is filling the damn potholes in front of my house...we can't get that sh&^ right. 

At the lowest level of consideration... I don't know a single person who's doing (or has done) the expat thing in a Muslim country who didn't/doesn't live in company supplied accommodations / compounds... not one, why is that? 

Well, in my jaded opinion it's because they want to drink beer whilst watching their coworker's wives cavort by the pool in bikinis... and celebrate Christmas like they did back home.

In other words, they take their baggage with them whilst expecting everyone who comes here (that would be the people with real problems again) not to do the very same thing.

Well, best of luck with that Herb, I'm rooting for ya.

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[Venandi]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Politicians who fail to notice or feel the need to focus on woke issues will either wake up or fade to black.

 

Got to run but I'd suggest that a woke mindset is more problematic than some of the "woke issues" you may be considering here. The notion of sheet music and advanced math being racist is pretty foolish, sensible people will just ignore you. 

Opening borders without the slightest consideration of supporting infrastructure, forcing DEI promotion criteria in your military, defunding police etc etc (and on and on) comes with real world consequences and long fix times though. 

I'd urge you not to lump woke nonsense in with the serious consequences that can result from a woke mindset with the power to act on it. 

And I'm not falling into the trap of defining woke either, anyone who types that question into the dialogue box knows exactly what I'm referring to here.

Edited January 7 by Venandi

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Is there a practical or functional difference between "i hate Black people because I think whites are inherently superior" as opposed to "I hate Black people because of rap music and baggy pants"?

Oh yes. Though once again I'm going to quibble with your choice of a word 'hate' has become one of the primary pejorative terms in the leftist lexicon, and it is flung at anyone who even mildly quibbles with aspects of activist demands.  

I would suggest most of the antipathy, dislike or distrust of Black people today is due to the suspicion that that particular community commits a disproportionate amount of crime, esp violent crime and that its members are thus threatening to be around. There's also their inferior economic performance driven, as far as I can tell, mostly by their predilection for fatherless families and lack of interest in education as compared to other communities. Thus it's within the ability of the Black community to remedy this by simply remedying their behaviour. 

19 hours ago, Black Dog said:

It took a long time and din't go away on it's own.

Didn't it? Remember that Canada was already changing in the 1970s or we'd never have altered the immigration rules in the first place. And we were changing without constant nagging or lecturing or laws or human rights agencies or DEI or antiracism or any of that other garbage. What makes you think it wouldn't have continued to change? What makes you think ANY of that has made any difference whatsoever?

Studies on the antiracism lectures given to people at work, for example, say they not only don't help but tend to increase resentment and racism. Maybe the cause of much of the resentment/dislike white Canadians feel towards minorities is due to resentment about such people being given unfair and unjustified preference over them by government and industry.

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh yes, it's just so awful having to put up with someone's accent or turban instead of your own Mom or Grqmpa's German, Polish or Scot one at home every day. 

How do you respond to the Prime Minister of the UK, the President of France, and the Chancellor of Germany saying multiculturalism has been a disaster in their countries?

[Black Dog]

23 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Oh yes. Though once again I'm going to quibble with your choice of a word 'hate' has become one of the primary pejorative terms in the leftist lexicon, and it is flung at anyone who even mildly quibbles with aspects of activist demands.  

I would suggest most of the antipathy, dislike or distrust of Black people today is due to the suspicion that that particular community commits a disproportionate amount of crime, esp violent crime and that its members are thus threatening to be around. There's also their inferior economic performance driven, as far as I can tell, mostly by their predilection for fatherless families and lack of interest in education as compared to other communities. Thus it's within the ability of the Black community to remedy this by simply remedying their behaviour. 

That doesn't answer my question, which was how is this any different in practice than racism based on the belief on inherent racial hierarchies? I already understand how the rationales differ, but when it cme sto how that plays out in the real world, it's a distinction without difference.

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Didn't it? Remember that Canada was already changing in the 1970s or we'd never have altered the immigration rules in the first place. And we were changing without constant nagging or lecturing or laws or human rights agencies or DEI or antiracism or any of that other garbage. What makes you think it wouldn't have continued to change?

And we did this all by ourselves? People who went around saying racist things and telling racist jokes woke up one day and just decided to stop all on their own? Nonsense. All this stuff was real bad until, I'd say, the early '90s when the first wave of "political correctness" came along and people were quite literally lectured and nagged about not being racist (or bigoted if you prefer). You know this because I'm sure you complained about it then too.

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What makes you think ANY of that has made any difference whatsoever?

Well theres a strong correlation with all that stuff you're kvetching about and the decline of open racism in our society, so there's that.

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Studies on the antiracism lectures given to people at work, for example, say they not only don't help but tend to increase resentment and racism. Maybe the cause of much of the resentment/dislike white Canadians feel towards minorities is due to resentment about such people being given unfair and unjustified preference over them by government and industry.

Quick question: how would you as an outsider know when someone was getting unfair and unjustified preference due to their minority status versus being actually qualified?

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

That doesn't answer my question, which was how is this any different in practice than racism based on the belief on inherent racial hierarchies? I already understand how the rationales differ, but when it cme sto how that plays out in the real world, it's a distinction without difference.

To start with, people who 'hate' a group due to their race are more likely to commit acts of violence as opposed to people who are merely distrustful. This is reflected in US race statistics on interracial acts of violence, which are hugely one-sided, esp sexual violence.

Someone who suspects a black person is going to shoplift might watch them, but isn't going to make anything up about what they did. They'll still want black customers. People will still watch sports and TV shows with black actors. Heck, TV advertising is very lopsidedly full of black actors - which indicates people don't hate black people enough to impact their buying decisions based on advertising.

 Note that police conflict with the black community is disproportionate to their numbers, but not so with the Asian community. That's a reflection of the different behavior of the two communities.

And importantly, their own behavior can change and so remedy the prejudice. You can't do that with people who are racist. Nothing you do makes any difference to them.

 

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

And we did this all by ourselves? People who went around saying racist things and telling racist jokes woke up one day and just decided to stop all on their own?

How did slavery stop? People decided that it wasn't right and pressured government to stop, which did. And again, would society have tolerated the government opening up immigration to black and asian people in say the 1950s as they did in the 1970s and 1980s? Cultures change. We legalized females voting without any force or nagging from the government, too.

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Quick question: how would you as an outsider know when someone was getting unfair and unjustified preference due to their minority status versus being actually qualified?

Aside from personal familiarity (of which I have some)? Why, the mere fact the government requires preferential hiring (with no demonstrated racism) is pretty strong evidence that it's not on merit. 

I also notice that, somehow, the places that are most heavily into antiracism and taking the utmost care to engage in racially preferential hiring and promotion seem to also give rise to an awful lot of complaints of racism by the people being given preference. Apparently, some is not enough. They want more. So universities, the government, human rights agencies, government unions, these are the places you find squeals of complaint about racism.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Venandi said:

In other words, they take their baggage with them whilst expecting everyone who comes here (that would be the people with real problems again) not to do the very same thing.

Are any of the expat compounds paid for by the government over there? Do you get ANY government services of any kind you don't pay for? Are there so many western expats in these countries that they sometimes flood the downtown streets so you can hardly see a local? Do they celebrate Christmas quietly in their compound or do they go out and take over main streets and loudly celebrate it there?

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

To start with, people who 'hate' a group due to their race are more likely to commit acts of violence as opposed to people who are merely distrustful. This is reflected in US race statistics on interracial acts of violence, which are hugely one-sided, esp sexual violence.

I don't think US statistics on interracial acts of violence tells us jack-all about racial attitudes unless you're digging specifically into hate crimes.

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How did slavery stop? People decided that it wasn't right and pressured government to stop, which did. And again, would society have tolerated the government opening up immigration to black and asian people in say the 1950s as they did in the 1970s and 1980s? Cultures change. We legalized females voting without any force or nagging from the government, too.

Slavery stopped because a small group of loud and obnoxious people constantly nagged or lectured people until their view became more accepted and widespread it was not a spontaneous organic social change. And women got the vote the same way.

So on the one hand you're talking about past social changes that occurred because of people nagging and lecturing (and much more) while decrying that same thing when it happens in a contemporary setting. 

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Aside from personal familiarity (of which I have some)? Why, the mere fact the government requires preferential hiring (with no demonstrated racism) is pretty strong evidence that it's not on merit. 

Preferential hiring does not preclude having the necessary qualifications. I've seen white people who've been hired for jobs they weren't qualified for because their dad was buddies with the ADM, but you wouldn't know from looking at them, while I've worked with excellent people who are members of a minority group.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

 

Preferential hiring does not preclude having the necessary qualifications.

But it does place them in the backseat. They become less important, a secondary issue. That has always been the problem with it. Not only does it actually result in lower qualified staff, but it also gives the perception of that so even when someone is fully qualified they are seen as being of lower quality.

No good comes from it