Aristides Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Politics1990 said: and of course danielle smith comes out right away kissing the ring saying theres no way alberta would ever cut off oil and gas to america. god i hate that woman. her and pp faces are both shoved so far up trumps ass lol No need to cut them off, just impose an equal export tax on energy and minerals if Trump doesn't apply tariffs to them as well. That way we could get the Americans to help pay down our deficit. That will drive gas prices through the roof in parts of the US and could make some of their heavy oil refineries unprofitable. That should be a last resort but we shouldn't be afraid to do it if pushed far enough. Edited December 12, 2024 by Aristides 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 Just a question, would it not be cheaper to just do as he asks, tighten up the border....i mean we for the most part have a really porous border....just found out from CBC the other day, no body checks any of the rail traffic coming or going Canada, that very few of the containers entering or leaving Canada are checked at our ports....Even the CBSA and other agencies are saying ya our border security is not that good.... Why not just make a plan to tighten it up invest some money into it, and poof no tarifs it's a win win...why is it Canadians have such a hard time providing security for ourselves...what makes us so cheap...instead of making a plan , we are planning on going on the attack...WITH our largest trading partner....makes sense to me, said no one.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Venandi Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Just a question, would it not be cheaper to just do as he asks, tighten up the border....i mean we for the most part have a really porous border....just found out from CBC the other day, no body checks any of the rail traffic coming or going Canada, that very few of the containers entering or leaving Canada are checked at our ports....Even the CBSA and other agencies are saying ya our border security is not that good.... Why not just make a plan to tighten it up invest some money into it, and poof no tarifs it's a win win...why is it Canadians have such a hard time providing security for ourselves...what makes us so cheap...instead of making a plan , we are planning on going on the attack...WITH our largest trading partner....makes sense to me, said no one.... Exactly... All that and more, ridiculously porous... guns are being flown in with drones now and the 3D printing thing that was statistically insignificant a few years ago now isn't. We squandered about 3 years chasing duck hunters and spending vast sums of money collecting absolutely nothing. And the nothing we failed to collect had nothing to do with the problem. Liberals can't even do wrong things right but, doing wrong things wrong costs a lot less money than doing right things right.... and that's their logic here. There's enough other stuff to fill a book. What happens if border incursions explode after the US starts deporting people? The arrogance of Sanctuary Cities galls me too and I have zero sympathy for their financial woes. If liberal voters in liberal cities want to deliberately ignore (and thwart) immigration law then don't expect my help to do it. Raise taxes, pay your bills and stop whining about the cost of doing it. Edited December 12, 2024 by Venandi 1 Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Just a question, would it not be cheaper to just do as he asks, tighten up the border....i mean we for the most part have a really porous border....just found out from CBC the other day, no body checks any of the rail traffic coming or going Canada, that very few of the containers entering or leaving Canada are checked at our ports....Even the CBSA and other agencies are saying ya our border security is not that good.... Why not just make a plan to tighten it up invest some money into it, and poof no tarifs it's a win win...why is it Canadians have such a hard time providing security for ourselves...what makes us so cheap...instead of making a plan , we are planning on going on the attack...WITH our largest trading partner....makes sense to me, said no one.... The answer to your question is it would be expensive. The CPC is already whining about the deficit. Plus, it would deadlock the crossborder trade with all the rails cars and trucks having to be inspected. Then there are the thousands of border patrol officers that need to be hired to patrol the vast stretches of border. The new Administration also wants us to hire an army of auditors to target money laundering. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
herbie Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 Of course a President with a brain wouldn't be threatening trade partners, he'd encourage them. Like by reversing Biden's decision on the Keystone line and ensuring a secure low cost oil supply for the US and currying Cdn favour. By understanding NATO is a defence organization and not an exclusive country club. By comprehending a history of tearing down Berlin walls, not demanding other countries build them just to save them money on their own border security. Or even mention things they could do to help the USA without threatening. But he's far too much a seasoned ass to understand that. Do it or YOUR FIRED! Has always been the management style he endorses. Quote
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: The answer to your question is it would be expensive. The CPC is already whining about the deficit. Plus, it would deadlock the crossborder trade with all the rails cars and trucks having to be inspected. Then there are the thousands of border patrol officers that need to be hired to patrol the vast stretches of border. The new Administration also wants us to hire an army of auditors to target money laundering. No thats not the question or the answer..... lets say if the tariffs are imposed what is it going to cost Canadians per day...compared to what it is going to cost to fix OUR porous border....I'm betting fixing our nations mistakes and safety by cheaping out on our border, and then WE have the balls blaming the same border for gun crime, drugs, illegal immigrants, human trafficking...the lst goes on and on and on....Something like our safety is to expensive... Well maybe 25 % is not enough of a tariff...it's the starting figure to which can go anywhere....do you really think trump is not serious...or that trump will blink before we do....Justin is not the man i want to negotiate anything with trump.....Everyone that i've heard on the American and Canadian side says Trump is very serious, he wants us to fix our problems on our own dime...or he will fix it himself through tariffs...not sure why Canadians would even think about fighting this.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Politics1990 said: and of course danielle smith comes out right away kissing the ring saying theres no way alberta would ever cut off oil and gas to america. god i hate that woman. her and pp faces are both shoved so far up trumps ass lol To be fair, Smith is the most unpopular Premier in Canada. Most Albertans are disgusted with her, for her Trump boot-licking, and siding with Trump over the rest of Canada. Ford's popularity has increased already for having a backbone, and standing up to the Americans, and consulting with Ottawa. We need a united Canada to fight with Trump's ridiculous tariffs, and his lies. For instance, Trump is falsely claiming that the US "subsidies" Canada for $100 billion, when in reality, the United States is in debt to Canada by over $40 billion. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 2 hours ago, herbie said: Of course a President with a brain wouldn't be threatening trade partners, he'd encourage them. Like by reversing Biden's decision on the Keystone line and ensuring a secure low cost oil supply for the US and currying Cdn favour. By understanding NATO is a defence organization and not an exclusive country club. By comprehending a history of tearing down Berlin walls, not demanding other countries build them just to save them money on their own border security. Or even mention things they could do to help the USA without threatening. But he's far too much a seasoned ass to understand that. Do it or YOUR FIRED! Has always been the management style he endorses. Well it looks like decades of presidential encouragement has failed in Canada's case. Justin signed a NATO agreement contract to be spending 2 % of GDP in 2014, we were given 10 years to get there....once he was back in Canada he went on the media and directly said he had no intention of meeting that goal....plus made a joke about trump at the time, which went over like a lead balloon...So the question from our allieds at the time was why even sign on to the agreement if you had no intention to live up to it....Now 2024 comes around most nations are on the way to hitting their targets, except Canada who wants another 10 years not to hit 2 % but 1.74... Now thats a nation who needs more encouragement...i'm thinking more like a kick in the ass....and Trump knows he only has 4 years to make stuff happen....so he is passed encouragement.... A defensive organization that see the US paying most of the bills....and other countries like Canada using it as a country club... If you were paying attention , you would see a good chunk of Europe's countries are building walls , investing heavily into their militaries, with some going on a war footing....introducing mandatory service with nations like Germany/ France considering it also.... Canada needs to be told...becasue it is very clear we do not respond to encouragement... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: To be fair, Smith is the most unpopular Premier in Canada. Most Albertans are disgusted with her, for her Trump boot-licking, and siding with Trump over the rest of Canada. Ford's popularity has increased already for having a backbone, and standing up to the Americans, and consulting with Ottawa. We need a united Canada to fight with Trump's ridiculous tariffs, and his lies. For instance, Trump is falsely claiming that the US "subsidies" Canada for $100 billion, when in reality, the United States is in debt to Canada by over $40 billion. And yet she was elected, by Albertans no doubt....She is playing this the right way,...Canadians borders are porous, we don't even check any rail cars coming into canada...It is going to cost Canada more in a trade or tariff war than it would to secure our own border, which is in the present condition becasue we let it get that way.... I could fill this entire forum up with Liberal lies, Trump wants to make an impression on the american people, you pick a fight with this guy over something we created, and we are going to lose big time... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 It isn’t Canada’s job to check who and what enters the US but we should be doing a lot more to check who and what enters Canada. Doing so will protect ourselves and make us less of a transit point for contraband entering the US. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: And yet she was elected, by Albertans no doubt....She is playing this the right way,...Canadians borders are porous, we don't even check any rail cars coming into canada...It is going to cost Canada more in a trade or tariff war than it would to secure our own border, which is in the present condition becasue we let it get that way.... Nice of you to side with a boot-licker. 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: I could fill this entire forum up with Liberal lies, Trump wants to make an impression on the american people, you pick a fight with this guy over something we created, and we are going to lose big time... Please don't. I can only handle you in limited quantities. Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender Quote
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 35 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Nice of you to side with a boot-licker. Please don't. I can only handle you in limited quantities. I see your still supporting a moral corrupt liberal, but then again i would not expect anything else from you... Her plan makes more sense than picking a fight with trump that we can never win.... Edited December 13, 2024 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Aristides said: It isn’t Canada’s job to check who and what enters the US but we should be doing a lot more to check who and what enters Canada. Doing so will protect ourselves and make us less of a transit point for contraband entering the US. I disagree but we as a nation are not even doing that much, We should also be checking everything that leaves this country, and not giving criminals here a break for shipping contraband....if both nations checked coming and going traffic that we would not be having these talks about tariffs.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: picking a fight with trump that we can never win.... let it burn Trump has easily provoked the Laurentian Elites into a trap Justin Trudeau threatening export taxes on petroleum Doug Ford threatening to force American states to abandon Ontario as an electricity supplier Quebec standing by to replace Ontario's exports with cheaper cleaner hydro Alberta siding with Trump against Ottawa divide & conquer ftw Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I see your still supporting a moral corrupt liberal, but then again i would not expect anything else from you... Her plan makes more sense than picking a fight with trump that we can never win.... Was your hero Neville Chamberlain? Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Aristides said: It isn’t Canada’s job to check who and what enters the US it isn't America's job to provide Canada with unrestricted access to American markets it isn't America's job to prop up Canada's absurdly incompetent governance it isn't America's job to save the Canadian Confederation from its self inflicted disintegration Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Was your hero Neville Chamberlain? in fairness, Winston Churchill's plan turned out to be a catastrophe Britain would have been far better off if it had joined the Americans in staying out of the war at first there was no actual threat of German invasion across the Channel the only reason Britain declared war was to protect the British Empire in the Far East since the Pact of Steel between Hitler & Mussolini had become a threat to the Suez Canal so in fact, Winston Churchill never went to war for freedom & democracy rather, Winston Churchill went to war to keep the Jewel of the Crown for the British Empire in India Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 53 minutes ago, Army Guy said: we as a nation the Liberal Party of Canada's fake country is a failed state without the British Empire, a Confederation acting as a bulwark against America is self defeating a Post National State with no core identity dissolving into irrelevance the inevitable result of a society become completely alienated from its stated purpose in the first place Manifest Destiny Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the only reason Britain declared war was to protect the British Empire in the Far East Britain and France declared war on Germany, since it had a pact with Poland, stating they would go to war with the country that were to attack Poland. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: Nice of you to side with a boot-licker. ha ha ha ha ha ! nobody is going to fight for your Woke Progressive Commie fake country, leftist clown HM Canadian Army is brothers in arms with American conservatives while the Liberal NDP party is the enemy within Osons 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Britain and France declared war on Germany, since it had a pact with Poland, stating they would go to war with the country that were to attack Poland. Poland was merely a rubric when Hitler & Mussolini were rivals, Hitler actually sided with the British & French against Italy in North Africa when Hitler & Mussolini then buried the hatchet in the Pact of Steel suddenly Germany & Italy were together against the British & French in the Mediterranean which threatened British & French access to their Imperial colonies in the Far East Britain & France then declared war at the next available opportunity over Poland knowing full well that Poland could not be saved, with no plan to save her therein after Germany took the continent, Britain then wrangled America into a fight for North Africa followed by the brutal slog through Italy, which Churchill called the Soft Underbelly why ? to defend the Suez Canal & Far East beyond Canada rushing to the defence of the British Empire therein at Hong Kong, Dieppe & Ortona Edited December 13, 2024 by Dougie93 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: Canada needs to be told...becasue it is very clear we do not respond to encouragement... the problem being that so called "Canada" has become so dysfunctional it is not even capable of meeting the American demands even if it wants to hence why the hysterical panic in progress Quote
taxme Posted December 14, 2024 Report Posted December 14, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 5:15 PM, CdnFox said: some provinces pull over the 50% line, and of course they could consider going separately. But this has been floated in the past and the united states wasn't interested. Even as I say if somehow magically 100% of us wanted to do it the united states would have no interest. It would be to their detriment not to their benefit America picking up another 10 million or so of new left wing liberals and NDP socialists will not work for them. They have enough of those imbeciles already. 🤣 Quote
taxme Posted December 14, 2024 Report Posted December 14, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 5:13 PM, DUI_Offender said: Only 1 in 10 Canadians want to join the United States. It would be political suicide to suggest doing so. Americans, OTOH, have made it clear that they would welcome Canada as a 51st state. They really want our natural resources (oil, hydro, lumber, minerals, etc). Well we would still have some control of those resources one way or the other. Nobody loses here. Quote
Army Guy Posted December 14, 2024 Report Posted December 14, 2024 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Was your hero Neville Chamberlain? Nope....Listen in this case i don't agree with poking the bear, especially one that is looking for a fight to make his mark....and to top it off He is right our border is porous as Sh!t, CBSA has already said as much on every media source you can find...it would be the adult thing to sit down with trump and discuss what has got him riled about our border come up with a plan and fix it... it is after all becasue we are to cheap to fix our own problems.... Some on the left had said it is going to be to expensive...ya well it is the governments job to secure the nation....well a 25 % tariff is going to be passed on to the consumer you and me....government is not going to pay anything....we will pay the price, maybe you got lots of money...me not so much i'd like to keep mine , you and justine want to get into a pissing contest because you feel slighted...maybe your pride is cashing checks the rest of us don't have the time or money ... Not sure why Canadians are afraid to pay for their own security, maybe you or some other lefty can provide us some insight into that...No Canadians act like they have been wounded in some gun fight....We'll cut your power off, we put tariffs on your stuff...and on and on for 4 years....to proud to admit we screwed up and should have invested into our own security.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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