Trump picks Elon and Vivek to run new government efficiency dept.

[CouchPotato]

Trump says Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will head a new ‘Department of Government Efficiency’

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"This will send shockwaves through the system, and anyone involved in Government waste, which is a lot of people!" Musk said in the statement released by the transition team.

On X, he added: "Threat to democracy? Nope, threat to BUREAUCRACY!!!"

Musk has said he wants to cut $2 trillion from the federal budget, which is more than the discretionary budget of $1.7 trillion. He has provided few details about what he'd like to cut, though he has attacked relatively small recipients of federal money, such as the Education Department and NPR.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-says-elon-musk-will-lead-department-government-efficiency-vivek-rcna179899

 

I made it a point not to post an article from NY Post or FOS Lies or any other disseminator of right-wing disinformation out of sensitivity to Robosmith.

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I was secretly hoping that the 2024 Trump administration would be somewhat democratic. I guess I was wrong.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Trump says Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will head a new ‘Department of Government Efficiency’

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-says-elon-musk-will-lead-department-government-efficiency-vivek-rcna179899

 

I made it a point not to post an article from NY Post or FOS Lies or any other disseminator of right-wing disinformation out of sensitivity to Robosmith.

You realize if that starts becoming a regular thing for you the market shares in preparation H are going to nose dive and it will be your fault

19 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I was secretly hoping that the 2024 Trump administration would be somewhat democratic. I guess I was wrong.

Reviewing government spending for waste is anti-democratic?

What planet are you living on? I realize that sometimes it may seem like the purpose of government is to waste money but that's not actually really a thing

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Trump says Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will head a new ‘Department of Government Efficiency’

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-says-elon-musk-will-lead-department-government-efficiency-vivek-rcna179899

 

I made it a point not to post an article from NY Post or FOS Lies or any other disseminator of right-wing disinformation out of sensitivity to Robosmith.

At the end of the day while I have absolutely no doubt that elon will be able to find massive amounts of redundant or unnecessary spending, you have to be very careful about pulling the plug on too much government spending all at the same time. It can have a vicious shock to the market but causes a disproportionate downward effect on the regular private market.

But if they can identify the waste and eliminate it over a set time starting with the least harmful first Then they might do a lot of good and significantly help trump whittle away at that deficit

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19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At the end of the day while I have absolutely no doubt that elon will be able to find massive amounts of redundant or unnecessary spending, you have to be very careful about pulling the plug on too much government spending all at the same time. It can have a vicious shock to the market but causes a disproportionate downward effect on the regular private market.

But if they can identify the waste and eliminate it over a set time starting with the least harmful first Then they might do a lot of good and significantly help trump whittle away at that deficit

They can also mould a bureaucracy, to the point that it ends up no different than the Third Reich. 

Edited November 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

They can also mould a bureaucracy, to the point that it ends up no different than the Third Reich. 

How.

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I was secretly hoping that the 2024 Trump administration would be somewhat democratic. I guess I was wrong.

I've been hoping that Trump will restore our constitutional republic to its former glory and that is exactly what he's going to do.  

[gatomontes99]

This DOGE is one step towards getting the spending levels back down.

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Reviewing government spending for waste is anti-democratic?

What planet are you living on? I realize that sometimes it may seem like the purpose of government is to waste money but that's not actually really a thing

You beat me to it.

What is undemocratic about cutting wasteful spending?

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

They can also mould a bureaucracy, to the point that it ends up no different than the Third Reich. 

Oh pl...ease.

"AHHH!!! THIRD REICH!!! NAZI!!! AHHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

It's not enough that you Libbies gave yourselves a black eye with this kind of chickensh1t. But now you wanna blacken the other eye.

Fool.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Trump says Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will head a new ‘Department of Government Efficiency’

I made it a point not to post an article from NY Post or FOS Lies or any other disseminator of right-wing disinformation out of sensitivity to Robosmith.

Actually robo would have preferred if you used Fox as the source this time, because he doesn't want it to be true (lefty logic, don't ask). 

[gatomontes99]

If the DOGE is going to be permanent, and it really should, they have to get the House and Senate to approve it. Otherwise it'll just be 2 assistants to the President.

The DOGE can and will tear apart the entire liberal agenda. People are policy and if the DOGE can cut jobs that are held by liberals that work against Conservative administrations, we can finally get real spending cuts and true Constituionally compliant offices.

[Black Dog]

Elon's gonna do for government what he did for Twitter: tank its revenue, destroy its reputation and fill it with Nazis.

Fortunately I think Trump gets sick of his bullshit sooner than later and sends him packing because Donald is a mess b!tch who loves drama.

Edited November 13, 2024 by Black Dog

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

 

.. Donald is a mess b!tch who loves drama.

In that case it's a match made in heaven 

 

"Shockwave coming" according to Leon.

 

Exactly.

[ironstone]

Whether it's Canada of the US, we have all heard numerous stories about government waste and inefficiency.

What's wrong with trying to address those issues?

[Black Dog]

22 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Whether it's Canada of the US, we have all heard numerous stories about government waste and inefficiency.

What's wrong with trying to address those issues?

Because only the extremely gullible and stupid think that's what this is about.

[ironstone]

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Because only the extremely gullible and stupid think that's what this is about.

Please, enlighten us.

[Hodad]

This is just the public arrival of the new American oligarchy. 

Nothing says "efficiency" like a new government agency--and co-chairs to boot. Nothing says "populist" like putting billionaires in charge of deregulating their own industries. 

You can't say you weren't warned, but to all the poor and working class voters who bought the song and dance, this is just the first in a long line of betrayals. 

Luckily he's named a Fox News host as the Secretary of Defense. So, sticking with the theme of super qualified people--"the best people!"

 

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

Please, enlighten us.

The point is to gut the federal civil service, destroying entire departments and replacing thousands of civil service workers with ideologically motivated political hacks loyal to Trump.

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The point is to gut the federal civil service, destroying entire departments and replacing thousands of civil service workers with ideologically motivated political hacks loyal to Trump.

I'm certain that any time a new president gets elected, he wants to appoint people that will be loyal and not work to undermine him.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/trump-fired-political-appointees-so-did-obama-97206

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'm certain that any time a new president gets elected, he wants to appoint people that will be loyal and not work to undermine him.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/trump-fired-political-appointees-so-did-obama-97206

But underneath the lead leadership team, the civil service remains intact to facilitate continued smooth operations 

 

I think this was established in the 18th or 19th centuries

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'm certain that any time a new president gets elected, he wants to appoint people that will be loyal and not work to undermine him.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/trump-fired-political-appointees-so-did-obama-97206

We're not talking about leadership or political appointees. We're talking about the rank and file. Just people with jobs to do. The people who follow the rules and standards are persist across administrations. 

 

[Black Dog]

6 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'm certain that any time a new president gets elected, he wants to appoint people that will be loyal and not work to undermine him.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/trump-fired-political-appointees-so-did-obama-97206

What part of replacing civil service employees with political appointees do you not understand?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

If the DOGE is going to be permanent, and it really should, they have to get the House and Senate to approve it. Otherwise it'll just be 2 assistants to the President.

The DOGE can and will tear apart the entire liberal agenda. People are policy and if the DOGE can cut jobs that are held by liberals that work against Conservative administrations, we can finally get real spending cuts and true Constituionally compliant offices.

If it becomes permanent then it just winds up becoming part of the bureaucracy. Then it becomes bloated and it becomes set in its ways and others learn how to make their books appear to be pleasing to them

.It's better if every now and then you just let a wolf loose among the sheep to see who's slowest. Wolf's not there all the time, and the sheep don't know when it's going to show up. But they know it will eventually and it's always in the back of their mind that they don't want to be the slowest   

[ironstone]

Wait and see what happens. More efficiency is not always a bad thing.

Who hasn't heard stories about civil service/public servants with ...not that much of a workload? Not to mention pay and benefits that are generally a fair bit higher than their private sector counterparts.