November 5th, 2024 election official thread

[Black Dog]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Common trick. The whole "We're right on the edge, get eveyrone out" routine is a time tested way to get people to believe that their vote might matter and to get out. I see some variation of it in every Canadian election as well.

Yeah who wouldn't respond to such a stirring call to action as "please help we're losing!"

[CdnFox]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Yeah who wouldn't respond to such a stirring call to action as "please help we're losing!"

Nobody. That's the point. 

The message is "we're almost losing - but you can save us".  It's been a very effective political message for years. 

There will be a lot of people that think trump will win guaranteed so they don't need to vote. And there are others we're just simply not terribly motivated to vote and trump appeals to that  demographic. You have to be a little dramatic in order to get them out.

How did you think it worked? They should text out " We're winning easily so you should definitely take time out of your day to vote"??  

LOL every time i think you've shown us all the different ways it's possible to be stupid you come up with a new way  you're up to 487 btw  

[Black Dog]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody. That's the point. 

The message is "we're almost losing - but you can save us".  It's been a very effective political message for years. 

lol no, that's loser talk.

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There will be a lot of people that think trump will win guaranteed so they don't need to vote. And there are others we're just simply not terribly motivated to vote and trump appeals to that  demographic. You have to be a little dramatic in order to get them out.

The cope here is incredible.

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How did you think it worked? They should text out " We're winning easily so you should definitely take time out of your day to vote"??  

lol it's funny how the idea of actually inspiring people and presenting an upbeat message is so foreign to you, but i guess that's what happens when your first language is "loser."

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

lol no, that's loser talk.

Well I guess that's your way of announcing you don't know anything about elections  

No wonder you're afraid to put a prediction down

 

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The cope here is incredible.

Yes you do seem to be trying your best at it

 

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lol it's funny how the idea of actually inspiring people and presenting an upbeat message is so foreign to you, but i guess that's what happens when your first language is "loser."

Upbeat messages don't inspire people to take action, they convince Everybody that things are fine and nothing needs to change. May I remind you that the democratic position is that trump is a Nazi and we're all going to die and democracy ends unless you get out and vote     

Once again you look stupid. And once again somehow you want it to be my fault  

[Black Dog]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well I guess that's your way of announcing you don't know anything about elections  

No wonder you're afraid to put a prediction down

Lol I made my prediction more than a week ago, you even responded to it. Cope.

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Upbeat messages don't inspire people to take action, they convince Everybody that things are fine and nothing needs to change.

 

lol no, you can be inspiring while still projecting urgency. but again, you only understand loser talk.

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May I remind you that the democratic position is that trump is a Nazi and we're all going to die and democracy ends unless you get out and vote     

Yeah it's important people are reminded of the stakes, which is a different thing than "oh god we're getting our asses kicked please help!"

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Once again you look stupid. And once again somehow you want it to be my fault  

Turn on your monitor, thats a reflection you're talking to.

[gatomontes99]

Some polls in IN and KY have already closed.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Lol I made my prediction more than a week ago, you even responded to it. Cope.

Nobody can find it. Where did you make this prediction, is it written on the wall of a toilet somewhere right beside your mother's number?

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lol no, you can be inspiring while still projecting urgency.

Okay, give me an example of somebody using inspiration to significantly increase the voter count on Election Day compared to what it would have been.

I have this funny feeling you're about to go back on your words and try and change the subject  

 

but again, you only understand loser talk.

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Yeah it's important people are reminded of the stakes, which is a different thing than "oh god we're getting our asses kicked please help!"

It's literally an admission they're getting their asses kicked     And not very inspiring

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Turn on your monitor, thats a reflection you're talking to.

Talking to yourself again I see. I thought the medication was supposed to help with that?

[gatomontes99]

https://apps.npr.org/2024-election-results/

 

[sharkman]

 

The polymarkets give Trump 80% odds of winning…

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Lol I made my prediction more than a week ago, you even responded to it. Cope.

lol no, you can be inspiring while still projecting urgency. but again, you only understand loser talk.

Yeah it's important people are reminded of the stakes, which is a different thing than "oh god we're getting our asses kicked please help!"

Turn on your monitor, thats a reflection you're talking to.

So, harris had songs and celebrities and inspiration to get the vote out. 

Hillary clinton did the same thing 

Trump's people said "we could lose if you don't get out and vote.'

Trump's people went out and voted. Hillary's and Kamalas did not  

Four more years  Muthafukka!    

[Michael Hardner]

Congratulations to the USA on making a clear and strong choice, with a peaceful election and, in all likelihood, a peaceful transition!

We're going to have lots to talk about for the next four years, so excelsior!

[BeaverFever]

They are celebrating Trump’s victory around the world today 

 

[gatomontes99]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

They are celebrating Trump’s victory around the world today 

 

That was from 2020.

[BeaverFever]

15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That was from 2020.

It’s a joke dummy. But Trump is their candidate of choice. 

[ExFlyer]

Well, so be it. The American public has spoken

For Canada, our dollar will tank. Our economy will tank. Our trde will be decimated. Corporations will defect to the US.

And none of it will be Trudeaus fault.

All I can say is the hilbillys deserve what they got.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Well, so be it. The American public has spoken

For Canada, our dollar will tank. Our economy will tank. Our trde will be decimated. Corporations will defect to the US.

And none of it will be Trudeaus fault.

All I can say is the hilbillys deserve what they got.

Oh the doom and gloom.

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

LOL...

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s a joke dummy. But Trump is their candidate of choice. 

Mine was a joke to. I didn't know when it was from.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Oh the doom and gloom.

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

LOL...

Nope, just parroting the numerous economist I saw on the news today.

They are a lot smarter and informed than the keyboard warriors here LOL

Trump hates Canada and the trade agreement

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/trump-s-victory-sparks-concerns-over-ripple-effect-on-canadian-economy-1.7100197

https://thehub.ca/2024/11/05/a-full-blown-trump-presidency-would-be-an-ordeal-for-canadas-economy-while-harris-would-yield-marginal-diminishing-gains-oxford-economics/

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/economics/2024/11/04/how-will-the-us-election-impact-the-canadian-economy/

 

 

[sharkman]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Congratulations to the USA on making a clear and strong choice, with a peaceful election and, in all likelihood, a peaceful transition!

We're going to have lots to talk about for the next four years, so excelsior!

It's nice of you to speak in these terms about the election, but do you remember all of the rioting that ensued after Trump's win in 2016?  Let's see what happens in the next 2months leading up to the inauguration.  I'm thinking of Antifa, BLM in the usual places like Portland, Seattle, and others.

[Black Dog]

7 minutes ago, sharkman said:

It's nice of you to speak in these terms about the election, but do you remember all of the rioting that ensued after Trump's win in 2016?  Let's see what happens in the next 2months leading up to the inauguration.  I'm thinking of Antifa, BLM in the usual places like Portland, Seattle, and others.

That didn't happen. You're probably thinking of the rioting when he lost in 2020.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s a joke dummy. But Trump is their candidate of choice. 

They said kamala was  

Kimmy is going to be pissed about seeing trump again. Trump gave "little rocket man" a hard time previously.  He would have preferred kammy for sure.  

Putin - well we'll see. I don't think he's going to get what he wants entirely.  I don't thing zelanski is either.  I think trump's going to try to make each of them go home equally disappointed  

27 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

That didn't happen. You're probably thinking of the rioting when he lost in 2020.

It did happen.  Over 5 billion dollars in damages as i recall.  The dems deliberately stoked the groups like BLM to violence. 

[BeaverFever]

America Makes a Perilous Choice

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

American voters have made the choice to return Donald Trump to the White House, setting the nation on a precarious course that no one can fully foresee.

The founders of this country recognized the possibility that voters might someday elect an authoritarian leader and wrote safeguards into the Constitution, including powers granted to two other branches of government designed to be a check on a president who would bend and break laws to serve his own ends. And they enacted a set of rights — most crucially the First Amendment — for citizens to assemble, speak and protest against the words and actions of their leader.

Over the next four years, Americans must be cleareyed about the threat to the nation and its laws that will come from its 47th president and be prepared to exercise their rights in defense of the country and the people, laws, institutions and values that have kept it strong.

It can’t be ignored that millions of Americans voted for a candidate even some of his closest supporters acknowledge to be deeply flawed — convinced that he was more likely to change and fix what they regarded as the nation’s urgent problems: high prices, an infusion of immigrants, a porous southern border and economic policies that have flowed unequally through society. Some cast their votes out of a profound dissatisfaction with the status quo, politics or the state of American institutions more broadly.

Whatever drove this decision among these voters, however, all Americans should now be wary of an incoming Trump administration that is likely to put a top priority on amassing unchecked power and punishing its perceived enemies, both of which Mr. Trump has repeatedly vowed to do. All Americans, regardless of their party or politics, should insist that the fundamental pillars of the nation’s democracy — including constitutional checks and balances, fair-minded federal prosecutors and judges, an impartial election system and basic civil rights — be preserved against an assault that he has already begun and has said he would continue.

At this point, there can be no illusions about who Donald Trump is and how he intends to govern. He showed us in his first term and in the years after he left office that he has no respect for the law, let alone the values, norms and traditions of democracy. As he takes charge of the world’s most powerful state, he is transparently motivated only by the pursuit of power and the preservation of the cult of personality he has built around himself. These stark assessments are striking in part because they are held not just by his critics but also by those who served most closely with him.i

We are a nation that has always emerged from a crucible with its ideals intact and often toughened and sharpened. The institutions of our government, hardened by nearly 250 years of disputation, turmoil, assassinations and wars, held firm when Mr. Trump assailed them four years ago. And Americans know how to counter Mr. Trump’s worst instincts — actions that were unjust, immoral or illegal — because they did so, over and over, during his first administration. Civil servants, members of Congress, members of his own party and people he appointed to high office often stood in the way of the former president’s plans, and other institutions of our society, including the free press and independent law enforcement agencies, held him accountable to the public.

Mr. Trump and his movement have all but taken over the Republican Party. Yet it is also important to remember that Mr. Trump can’t run for another term. From the day he enters the White House, he will be, in effect, a lame-duck president. The Constitution limits him to two terms. Congress has the power — and for some ambitious Republicans, perhaps the political incentive — to set a course away from Mr. Trump’s antidemocratic agenda, if it chooses to pursue it.

Governors and legislatures across the nation have spent months shoring up their state laws and Constitutions to protect civil rights and liberties, including access to reproductive and gender-affirming health care. Even states that voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, including Kentucky, Ohio and Kansas, have rejected the most extreme positions on abortion. Other institutions of American civil society will play a crucial role in challenging the Trump administration in the courts, in our communities and in the protests that are sure to return.

The rest of the world, too, has no illusions about the leader who will soon again represent the United States on the world stage. The countries of the NATO alliance were shocked, during the first Trump administration, by his willingness to undermine that long and valuable partnership. But European nations, defying Mr. Trump’s predictions, not only came together with the United States in the face of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but also expanded their ranks right up to Russia’s border.

For the Democratic Party, rear-guard action as the political opposition will not be enough. The party must also take a hard look at why it lost the election. It took too long to recognize that President Biden was not capable of running for a second term. It took too long to recognize that large swaths of their progressive agenda were alienating voters, including some of the most loyal supporters of their party. And Democrats have struggled for three elections now to settle on a persuasive message that resonates with Americans from both parties who have lost faith in the system — which pushed skeptical voters toward the more obviously disruptive figure, even though a large majority of Americans acknowledge his serious faults. If the Democrats are to effectively oppose Mr. Trump, it must be not just through resisting his worst impulses but also by offering a vision of what they would do to improve the lives of all Americans and respond to anxieties that people have about the direction of the country and how they would change it.

The test for members of this new Congress will begin soon after they take their oath. The president-elect has promised to surround himself in his second term with enablers prepared to pledge loyalty to him, who will be willing to do whatever he commands. But a president needs the Senate to approve many of those appointments. Senators can stop the most extreme or unqualified candidates from taking cabinet positions like defense secretary and attorney general, as well as seats on the Supreme Court and the federal bench. They can act to keep clearly unfit candidates from holding any powerful position. The Senate did that in 2020, when it blocked Mr. Trump’s attempts to seat unqualified people on the board of the Federal Reserve, and the chamber should not hesitate to do so again.

Perhaps the most important responsibility lies with all of those who will serve in a second Trump administration. Those he appoints as attorney general, as secretary of defense and to other top leadership roles should expect that he may ask them to carry out illegal acts or violate their oaths to the Constitution on his behalf, as he did in his first term. We urge them to recognize that whatever pledge of loyalty he may demand, their first loyalty is to their country. Standing up to Mr. Trump is possible, and it is the duty of every American public servant when appropriate.

But the final responsibility for ensuring the continuity of America’s enduring values lies with its voters. Those who supported Mr. Trump in this election should closely observe his conduct in office to see if it matches their hopes and expectations, and if it does not, they should make their disappointment known and cast votes in the 2026 midterms and in 2028 to put the country back on course. Those who opposed him should not hesitate to raise alarms when he abuses his power, and if he attempts to use government power to retaliate against critics, the world will be watching.

Benjamin Franklin famously admonished the American people that the nation was “a republic, if you can keep it.” Mr. Trump’s election poses a grave threat to that republic, but he will not determine the long-term fate of American democracy. That outcome remains in the hands of the American people. It is the work of the next four years.

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-wins.html

Edited November 6, 2024 by BeaverFever

[Black Dog]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

America Makes a Perilous Choice

By The Editorial Board

This is rich coming from a newspaper that did its absolute best to ensure Trump was presented as a normal candidate/politician and downplayed his erratic and deteriorating mental state.

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

America Makes a Perilous Choice

 

 

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

American voters have made the choice to return Donald Trump to the White House, setting the nation on a precarious course that no one can fully foresee.

The founders of this country recognized the possibility that voters might someday elect an authoritarian leader and wrote safeguards into the Constitution, including powers granted to two other branches of government designed to be a check on a president who would bend and break laws to serve his own ends. And they enacted a set of rights — most crucially the First Amendment — for citizens to assemble, speak and protest against the words and actions of their leader.

Over the next four years, Americans must be cleareyed about the threat to the nation and its laws that will come from its 47th president and be prepared to exercise their rights in defense of the country and the people, laws, institutions and values that have kept it strong.

It can’t be ignored that millions of Americans voted for a candidate even some of his closest supporters acknowledge to be deeply flawed — convinced that he was more likely to change and fix what they regarded as the nation’s urgent problems: high prices, an infusion of immigrants, a porous southern border and economic policies that have flowed unequally through society. Some cast their votes out of a profound dissatisfaction with the status quo, politics or the state of American institutions more broadly.

Whatever drove this decision among these voters, however, all Americans should now be wary of an incoming Trump administration that is likely to put a top priority on amassing unchecked power and punishing its perceived enemies, both of which Mr. Trump has repeatedly vowed to do. All Americans, regardless of their party or politics, should insist that the fundamental pillars of the nation’s democracy — including constitutional checks and balances, fair-minded federal prosecutors and judges, an impartial election system and basic civil rights — be preserved against an assault that he has already begun and has said he would continue.

At this point, there can be no illusions about who Donald Trump is and how he intends to govern. He showed us in his first term and in the years after he left office that he has no respect for the law, let alone the values, norms and traditions of democracy. As he takes charge of the world’s most powerful state, he is transparently motivated only by the pursuit of power and the preservation of the cult of personality he has built around himself. These stark assessments are striking in part because they are held not just by his critics but also by those who served most closely with him.i

We are a nation that has always emerged from a crucible with its ideals intact and often toughened and sharpened. The institutions of our government, hardened by nearly 250 years of disputation, turmoil, assassinations and wars, held firm when Mr. Trump assailed them four years ago. And Americans know how to counter Mr. Trump’s worst instincts — actions that were unjust, immoral or illegal — because they did so, over and over, during his first administration. Civil servants, members of Congress, members of his own party and people he appointed to high office often stood in the way of the former president’s plans, and other institutions of our society, including the free press and independent law enforcement agencies, held him accountable to the public.

Mr. Trump and his movement have all but taken over the Republican Party. Yet it is also important to remember that Mr. Trump can’t run for another term. From the day he enters the White House, he will be, in effect, a lame-duck president. The Constitution limits him to two terms. Congress has the power — and for some ambitious Republicans, perhaps the political incentive — to set a course away from Mr. Trump’s antidemocratic agenda, if it chooses to pursue it.

Governors and legislatures across the nation have spent months shoring up their state laws and Constitutions to protect civil rights and liberties, including access to reproductive and gender-affirming health care. Even states that voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, including Kentucky, Ohio and Kansas, have rejected the most extreme positions on abortion. Other institutions of American civil society will play a crucial role in challenging the Trump administration in the courts, in our communities and in the protests that are sure to return.

The rest of the world, too, has no illusions about the leader who will soon again represent the United States on the world stage. The countries of the NATO alliance were shocked, during the first Trump administration, by his willingness to undermine that long and valuable partnership. But European nations, defying Mr. Trump’s predictions, not only came together with the United States in the face of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but also expanded their ranks right up to Russia’s border.

For the Democratic Party, rear-guard action as the political opposition will not be enough. The party must also take a hard look at why it lost the election. It took too long to recognize that President Biden was not capable of running for a second term. It took too long to recognize that large swaths of their progressive agenda were alienating voters, including some of the most loyal supporters of their party. And Democrats have struggled for three elections now to settle on a persuasive message that resonates with Americans from both parties who have lost faith in the system — which pushed skeptical voters toward the more obviously disruptive figure, even though a large majority of Americans acknowledge his serious faults. If the Democrats are to effectively oppose Mr. Trump, it must be not just through resisting his worst impulses but also by offering a vision of what they would do to improve the lives of all Americans and respond to anxieties that people have about the direction of the country and how they would change it.

The test for members of this new Congress will begin soon after they take their oath. The president-elect has promised to surround himself in his second term with enablers prepared to pledge loyalty to him, who will be willing to do whatever he commands. But a president needs the Senate to approve many of those appointments. Senators can stop the most extreme or unqualified candidates from taking cabinet positions like defense secretary and attorney general, as well as seats on the Supreme Court and the federal bench. They can act to keep clearly unfit candidates from holding any powerful position. The Senate did that in 2020, when it blocked Mr. Trump’s attempts to seat unqualified people on the board of the Federal Reserve, and the chamber should not hesitate to do so again.

Perhaps the most important responsibility lies with all of those who will serve in a second Trump administration. Those he appoints as attorney general, as secretary of defense and to other top leadership roles should expect that he may ask them to carry out illegal acts or violate their oaths to the Constitution on his behalf, as he did in his first term. We urge them to recognize that whatever pledge of loyalty he may demand, their first loyalty is to their country. Standing up to Mr. Trump is possible, and it is the duty of every American public servant when appropriate.

But the final responsibility for ensuring the continuity of America’s enduring values lies with its voters. Those who supported Mr. Trump in this election should closely observe his conduct in office to see if it matches their hopes and expectations, and if it does not, they should make their disappointment known and cast votes in the 2026 midterms and in 2028 to put the country back on course. Those who opposed him should not hesitate to raise alarms when he abuses his power, and if he attempts to use government power to retaliate against critics, the world will be watching.

Benjamin Franklin famously admonished the American people that the nation was “a republic, if you can keep it.” Mr. Trump’s election poses a grave threat to that republic, but he will not determine the long-term fate of American democracy. That outcome remains in the hands of the American people. It is the work of the next four years.

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-wins.html

I think most Americans are fine with trump punishing a number of the people that unreasonably or unfairly targeted him. The court cases, the constant rhetoric that wound up getting him shot, the media attacks, I think that was viewed as being completely unfair by a lot of Americans. The fact that he won so strongly would tend to support that. I expect that a certain amount of blowback is going to be tolerated by the Americans in general as a result.

If you sucker punch someone, you can't be upset if they turn around and slug you back. Democrats used to understand this but that went out the window in 2016 and they've only gotten worse

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the constant rhetoric that wound up getting him shot,

The people who tried shooting at him were both republicans and the democrats anti-Trump rhetoric doesn’t even come close to the hateful bombast and conspiracies the right spews daily whether there’s an election or not. 

Edited November 6, 2024 by BeaverFever