Donnie does what Kamala claimed to do but never did: work a shift at McDonald's

[herbie]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nobody gives a f*ck what her campaign said. What did McDonalds say?

That she DID work at McDonalds and Trump's a f*cking liar like always. Read a real newspaper for once.

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

That she DID work at McDonalds and Trump's a f*cking liar like always. Read a real newspaper for once.

Link it, you piece of shit. Just telling me is not going to fly.  

[herbie]

Read a real newspaper for once.

Or watch any station other than FOX.
They're pushing the bullshit that Kamala's the one not talking about issues and plans.
As if blabbing incoherently about the size of Arnold Palmer's dick is.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Voting Republican means you ARE a big dick. It doesn’t mean you have a big dick. 

How many free fry coupons are we going to have to give you to get you to stop thinking about other guys dicks for a change?   

17 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah ok, that was funny   

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, herbie said:

That she DID work at McDonalds and Trump's a f*cking liar like always. Read a real newspaper for once.

No they didn't. 

Would McDonald's Have Records Confirming Kamala Harris' Employment? - Newsweek

[Nationalist]

58 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Voting Republican means you ARE a big dick. It doesn’t mean you have a big dick. 

Giggle...even limp Libbie boys need to make dick jokes.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Nationalist

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No they didn't. 

Would McDonald's Have Records Confirming Kamala Harris' Employment? - Newsweek

So that article says someone who knew Kamala back then knew that she worked at a McDonald’s. Thanks for proving that Kamala was telling the truth — although, to be honest, as a former prosecutor, SF DA, CA Attorney General, US Senator and VP of the USA, I don’t think she needs to pad her resume with employment at a McDonald’s. 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

Read a real newspaper for once.

Or watch any station other than FOX.
They're pushing the bullshit that Kamala's the one not talking about issues and plans.
As if blabbing incoherently about the size of Arnold Palmer's dick is.

To discuss kamales issues and plans would require Kamala having issues or plans to discuss. So far her issue is that Donald Trump is bad man orange and her plans are to deny her own history and hope everyone else forgets as well. 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

So that article says someone who knew Kamala back then knew that she worked at a McDonald’s.

And?  What Herbie claimed is that MCDONALDS said she worked for McDonalds.  That is not true. McDonalds does not say that.   Nor are they likely to. 

I'm sure she has all kinds of friends that would be happy to lie for her.   that's why people were hoping to prove it with work records or the like.  But McDonalds in fact did NOT provide that, despite herbies.  claim. 

That certainly doesn't prove she DIDN'T - as the article says few people keep records that far back, it's not a legal requirement and records in those days would have been paper and not desirable to keep and store beyond the legal requirement. 

But - once again you have to take something i said and pretend i said something ELSE to try to prove your point.  McDonalds can't confirm that she and her buddies are telling the truth,  Herbie claimed they did.  That's it. 

Yeash. 

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And?  What Herbie claimed is that MCDONALDS said she worked for McDonalds.  That is not true. McDonalds does not say that.   Nor are they likely to. 

I'm sure she has all kinds of friends that would be happy to lie for her.   that's why people were hoping to prove it with work records or the like.  But McDonalds in fact did NOT provide that, despite herbies.  claim. 

That certainly doesn't prove she DIDN'T - as the article says few people keep records that far back, it's not a legal requirement and records in those days would have been paper and not desirable to keep and store beyond the legal requirement. 

But - once again you have to take something i said and pretend i said something ELSE to try to prove your point.  McDonalds can't confirm that she and her buddies are telling the truth,  Herbie claimed they did.  That's it. 

Yeash. 

It's an obvious plant.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you were talking about 2024, and I was talking about 2024, but now I'm dishonest and have selective memory because of something that we weren't talking about and never mentioned or discussed that happened in 2015,  about 9 years ago.

Nice backpedal attempt. Your exact words were: “Republicans complain when Democrats fake events. When they hire actors to pretend that their regular people and that they're genuinely surprised and happy to see the candidate when in fact they're just actors.”  
Nowhere did you say “Republicans complain when anyone including Republicans fake events” or “Republicans complain when anyone fakes events but only if it’s in 2024 and onwards before then it was totally cool”.
 

And BTW Trumps not the only one. How about this single childless republican posing with a fake family?

Child-free Republican candidate Anderson runs for Congress with fake family album

 

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

She has never made that claim. Neither she know her campaign ever denied that the event was staged.

1) You have no idea what she or her campaign has said because you rely on right wing media to filter and interpret  information for you and of they don’t pass things along that contradict their lies. 
 

2) They were not paid actors  

Ryan Deto, a reporter for the western Pennsylvania publication TribLIVE.com, who was at the restaurant that day, told us in an email, "The people inside the restaurant were campaign volunteers who were there to meet with Harris, Walz and their spouses." He added he believed this campaign-volunteer aspect was "evident" to him upon his and the rest of the press pool's arrival at the restaurant, which occurred in the white vans mentioned in posts promoting the rumor.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/22/harris-restaurant-paid-actors/
 

Dispel those rumors: Jefferson Hills couple recount meeting Harris and Walz at Moon campaign bus tour

 

Retired public school teachers and active Democrats Judy and Ed Manfredi of Jefferson Hills said they had a wonderful opportunity to meet Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, her running mate this November, when they stopped at the Primanti Bros. restaurant in Moon on Aug. 18.

Just please don’t call them actors….

…

When Snopes staff did its research, it reported that it has “yet to find any credible evidence of involvement from “paid actors.” 

The Manfredis found out about the Primanti’s stop, part of a campaign bus tour leading up to last week’s Democratic National Convention, by reaching out to some party leaders a few days before the candidates’ announced arrival at Pittsburgh International Airport. Judy is the Jefferson Hills Democratic Committee chair, and both Manfredis serve as Democratic committee members for District 3 in the borough…..

 

https://www.unionprogress.com/2024/08/27/dispel-those-rumors-jefferson-hills-couple-recount-meeting-harris-and-walz-at-moon-campaign-bus-tour/

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here's the thing, absolutely everybody knew well in advance that the trump mcDonald's thing was happening and that it was a stunt everybody knew and was advised before it even happened what was going on and nobody thought he was serving actual customers in an actual capacity as a McDonald's employee.

Show me where the Trump campaign ever promoted it as such. Every news story said he was going to cook and serve fries, nowhere mentioning fake customers or staged event. Even the OP says he “worked a shift”. So does trump’s website :

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/b971ff07-cb51-48e8-9ab5-cb9c120791b0

FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME STOP MAKING SHIT UP

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And do you notice how much time she has to spend going back and trying to rewrite what she actually did in order to attempt to recreate history or try and cast it in a good light?

 

 Wait earlier in the same post you just finished saying he campaign refuses to talk about it at all:

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They don't even talk about it or answer questions.

 now practically in the same breath you’re claiming  they’re constantly telling a new story about it?

STOP MAKING SHIT UP

 

 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nice backpedal attempt. Your exact words were: “Republicans complain when Democrats fake events. When they hire actors to pretend that their regular people and that they're genuinely surprised and happy to see the candidate when in fact they're just actors.”  
Nowhere did you say “Republicans complain when anyone including Republicans fake events” or “Republicans complain when anyone fakes events but only if it’s in 2024 and onwards before then it was totally cool”.
 

And BTW Trumps not the only one. How about this single childless republican posing with a fake family?

Child-free Republican candidate Anderson runs for Congress with fake family album

 

 

1) You have no idea what she or her campaign has said because you rely on right wing media to filter and interpret  information for you and of they don’t pass things along that contradict their lies. 
 

2) They were not paid actors  

Ryan Deto, a reporter for the western Pennsylvania publication TribLIVE.com, who was at the restaurant that day, told us in an email, "The people inside the restaurant were campaign volunteers who were there to meet with Harris, Walz and their spouses." He added he believed this campaign-volunteer aspect was "evident" to him upon his and the rest of the press pool's arrival at the restaurant, which occurred in the white vans mentioned in posts promoting the rumor.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/22/harris-restaurant-paid-actors/
 

Dispel those rumors: Jefferson Hills couple recount meeting Harris and Walz at Moon campaign bus tour

 

Retired public school teachers and active Democrats Judy and Ed Manfredi of Jefferson Hills said they had a wonderful opportunity to meet Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, her running mate this November, when they stopped at the Primanti Bros. restaurant in Moon on Aug. 18.

Just please don’t call them actors….

…

When Snopes staff did its research, it reported that it has “yet to find any credible evidence of involvement from “paid actors.” 

The Manfredis found out about the Primanti’s stop, part of a campaign bus tour leading up to last week’s Democratic National Convention, by reaching out to some party leaders a few days before the candidates’ announced arrival at Pittsburgh International Airport. Judy is the Jefferson Hills Democratic Committee chair, and both Manfredis serve as Democratic committee members for District 3 in the borough…..

 

https://www.unionprogress.com/2024/08/27/dispel-those-rumors-jefferson-hills-couple-recount-meeting-harris-and-walz-at-moon-campaign-bus-tour/

 

Show me where the Trump campaign ever promoted it as such. Every news story said he was going to cook and serve fries, nowhere mentioning fake customers or staged event. Even the OP says he “worked a shift”. So does trump’s website :

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/b971ff07-cb51-48e8-9ab5-cb9c120791b0

FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME STOP MAKING SHIT UP

 

 Wait earlier in the same post you just finished saying he campaign refuses to talk about it at all:

 now practically in the same breath you’re claiming  they’re constantly telling a new story about it?

STOP MAKING SHIT UP

 

 

Gee @CdnFox...you're really upsetting The Beave here.

Think you can get him to froth at the mouth?

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

Nice backpedal attempt. Your exact words were: “Republicans complain when Democrats fake events. When they hire actors to pretend that their regular people and that they're genuinely surprised and happy to see the candidate when in fact they're just actors.”  

And they did. As I pointed out trump was not that popular in 2016  If he had faced anyone other than Hillary Clinton he'd have lost. Did you see him on his victory night? Nobody was more surprised that he won than he was

Swinging a miss kiddo

Oh and look! And unreasonably long post with information that's already been posted! Your signature way of admitting that you completely full of crap!

So here's the giveaway. If Snopes couldn't actually find out who the people were and harris isn't coming out in denying anything about the event been pretty good chance that's exactly what happened. The reporter in question is an extremely Kamala friendly reporter and not terribly credible. It's quite likely that there were a few people there who were volunteers. Why not? But the idea that she just stopped off at that restaurant and walked in which is what the initial media releases were saying is obviously bullshit.

 

Seriously, if there was no truth to the story at all she would just come out and say wait a minute  everything they're saying is completely wrong

Yet she didn't.  so we know there's at least some truth to it. Enough that she doesn't want it dug into

[CdnFox]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Gee @CdnFox...you're really upsetting The Beave here.

Think you can get him to froth at the mouth?

He's not a bad kid 🙂 But his body reacts badly when he faces a conflict between the truth that he wants to be true and the truth that actually is  

And he's frothing at the mouth because he's trying his best to avoid turning into his werewolf form as a result.

He doesn't like his werewolf form. Sadly he was actually bitten by a chihuahua. It's not pretty. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Most politicians have never truly worked a low end manual labor job. Nothing new to report here. 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/22/2024 at 5:40 PM, CdnFox said:

Oh and look! And unreasonably long post with information that's already been posted! Your signature way of admitting that you completely full of crap!

LOL see just as I mentioned earlier you complain that other people’s posts are too long because you have a short attention span and you hate it when people show you evidence.   That’s your MO:  demand the other person provide evidence and when they do complain the the evidence is somehow proof they’re “full of crap” Just because you’re a constant bullshitter who never offers a shred of evidence for any of your made up claims doesn’t mean the rest of us have to sink to your level. Im sorry that you have problems reading and paying attention but ill continue to provide proof even though I know you’ll continue to deny reality. 
 

On 10/22/2024 at 5:40 PM, CdnFox said:

So here's the giveaway. If Snopes couldn't actually find out who the people were and harris isn't coming out in denying anything about the event been pretty good chance that's exactly what happened. The reporter in question is an extremely Kamala friendly reporter and not terribly credible. It's quite likely that there were a few people there who were volunteers. Why not? But the idea that she just stopped off at that restaurant and walked in which is what the initial media releases were saying is obviously bullshit.

How is that any different from Trump’s McD’s stunt?  Where are the names of the people who pretended to be his customers?  Where did Trump says “hey check out my fake staged McDonalds stunt! “  Exactly what is the difference between Trump’s stunt and Kamalas. ?  Be specific. Other than the fact that Kamala went to a popular, classy local favourite while Trump went to a cheap greasy fast food chain that had an e.coli outbreak days later there is no difference. There is ZERO evidence that Kamala used any paid actors and why would they when they could just bring in local Dem party members and supporters for free?. For that matter where’s the evidence that the source is an “external Kamala friendly reporter,” is that just more of your made up BS?

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL see just as I mentioned earlier you complain that other people’s posts are too long because you have a short attention span and you hate it when people show you evidence.  

No, Lots of people have long posts and I never complain. I'm not complaining now. But it's a tell with you. When you're losing your posts get longer and longer and longer and you get more and more references that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

You're one of those people that believes that if you shovel in 20 lengths even if they're not related to the subject somehow you win

And even better you think that if you post the entire publication instead of only the portion that directly applies to what you're trying to say that somehow you win

You are a prime example of those who believe that If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.  It's just kind of funny

 

But of course you're a leftist so somehow it's all my fault  

 

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How is that any different from Trump’s McD’s stunt?  Where are the names of the people who pretended to be his customers?  Where did Trump says “hey check out my fake staged McDonalds stunt! “  

There were no fake customers. Those people didn't pretend to be anything. When the event was announced they said clearly that the people participating would be chosen by the campaign and would be supporters or staff members. And it was posted right on the door that it would be closed for this event in a few days, I literally everybody knew it was going to be happening way in advance, and that trump would be there Getting trained and behaving like a mcDonald's employee to give food to people that worked with him

Compare that to Kamala who dropped in unannounced, kicked out patrons who were there, and then pretended to do a meet and greet as if these people were strangers who were just excited to see her. The headlines for campaign put out weren't kamala pretends to visit restaurant or Kamala visits staff members or actors or anything like that, it was just Kamala visits restaurant. All of the articles about trump's event were " Trump appears at staged campaign event" And specifically mentions that the customers were not random but were selected.

And that is the difference. Tamala tried to pass off a fake event as if it was a real occurrence. Trump didn't try to pass off anything, he said what he was going to do, they announced it and then he did what exactly he said he was going to. Nothing hidden nothing faked.

 

Even your teeny tiny little kamala obsessed brain should be able to realize there's a big difference between pretending something is real when it isn't and not pretending something is real when it isn't.

That's why her campaign refuses to answer any questions about it where is trump says no problem answering any questions

[West]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, Lots of people have long posts and I never complain. I'm not complaining now. But it's a tell with you. When you're losing your posts get longer and longer and longer and you get more and more references that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

You're one of those people that believes that if you shovel in 20 lengths even if they're not related to the subject somehow you win

And even better you think that if you post the entire publication instead of only the portion that directly applies to what you're trying to say that somehow you win

You are a prime example of those who believe that If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.  It's just kind of funny

 

But of course you're a leftist so somehow it's all my fault  

 

There were no fake customers. Those people didn't pretend to be anything. When the event was announced they said clearly that the people participating would be chosen by the campaign and would be supporters or staff members. And it was posted right on the door that it would be closed for this event in a few days, I literally everybody knew it was going to be happening way in advance, and that trump would be there Getting trained and behaving like a mcDonald's employee to give food to people that worked with him

Compare that to Kamala who dropped in unannounced, kicked out patrons who were there, and then pretended to do a meet and greet as if these people were strangers who were just excited to see her. The headlines for campaign put out weren't kamala pretends to visit restaurant or Kamala visits staff members or actors or anything like that, it was just Kamala visits restaurant. All of the articles about trump's event were " Trump appears at staged campaign event" And specifically mentions that the customers were not random but were selected.

And that is the difference. Tamala tried to pass off a fake event as if it was a real occurrence. Trump didn't try to pass off anything, he said what he was going to do, they announced it and then he did what exactly he said he was going to. Nothing hidden nothing faked.

 

Even your teeny tiny little kamala obsessed brain should be able to realize there's a big difference between pretending something is real when it isn't and not pretending something is real when it isn't.

That's why her campaign refuses to answer any questions about it where is trump says no problem answering any questions

Yes and the purpose was to troll Kamala Harris, which he also made clear 

[BeaverFever]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, Lots of people have long posts and I never complain. I'm not complaining now. But it's a tell with you. When you're losing your posts get longer and longer and longer and you get more and more references that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

LMAO! What bullshit! When I post an article that directly contradicts or disproves your BS, you just make up that it has “nothing to do with the subject”. Like when you said an article tiled “Debunked 2000 mules video contains no evidence” was actually trying to tell readers the video had compelling evidence.   Can you even explain how 2 articles about the people who attended the Harris event had “nothing to do with” the Harris event?  Your entire defence is “oh you’re presenting evidence and providing links that’s a tell that you’re losing”. 

You’re a bullshitter, you make claims without even trying to offer a shred of proof, you hate being proven wrong, and when an extensive proof is literally copy-pasted in your face you resort to this lame defence mechanism.   
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And even better you think that if you post the entire publication instead of only the portion that directly applies to what you're trying to say that somehow you win

I didn’t post the entire article, only the relevant section. And we both know if I just put the link you wouldn’t click it and read through the whole thing. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You are a prime example of those who believe that If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.  It's just kind of funny

Pretty hilarious considering all the bullshitting you do. As Ive said elsewhere, other right wingers e bad for mindlessly parroting fake news and propaganda but you’re the worst on this site for cooking up pure homemade bullshit in your own head. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There were no fake customers. Those people didn't pretend to be anything. When the event was announced they said clearly that the people participating would be chosen by the campaign and would be supporters or staff members. And it was posted right on the door that it would be closed for this event in a few days, I literally everybody knew it was going to be happening way in advance, and that trump would be there Getting trained and behaving like a mcDonald's employee to give food to people that worked with him

Lol those are fake customers. The restaurant is closed to the public. The “customers” are supporters. Nowhere before or after did Trump or anyone n his campaign communicate that it a staged event or that the people getting food were hand-picked staff and supporters. He didn’t communicate anything about it being a staged event. He says he “worked a shift”. Other than the sign on the door I don’t think they even communicated that the McDonalds would be closed. Just like his deepfake Taylor Swift photos it was done with  a straight face neither confirming nor denying if it was real or not. It was people on social media who exposed it as fake not Trump. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Compare that to Kamala who dropped in unannounced, kicked out patrons who were there, and then pretended to do a meet and greet as if these people were strangers who were just excited to see her.

She didn’t drop in unannounced and kick out patrons. She booked the restaurant for a private function, the restaurant had a sign on the door informing people that they would be closing early for a private function and staff told patrons in advance as well. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The headlines for campaign put out weren't kamala pretends to visit restaurant or Kamala visits staff members or actors or anything like that, it was just Kamala visits restaurant.

Same as Trump. I already gave you the link to Trump’s own website where he has an entire page dedicated his fake McDonalds stunt and nowhere doe he give any indication that it’s staged.  See?  That’s a perfect example of where I gave evidence that directly contradicts your claim and you just say it has “nothing to do with” the topic.  

The scripted staged event is common in politics. Both sides do it and have done it.  Politicians don’t just “pop in” places interact with random members of the public and let whatever happens happen….not when they’re spend tens of thousands to film it for public consumption. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

All of the articles about trump's event were " Trump appears at staged campaign event" And specifically mentions that the customers were not random but were selected.

No there you go bullshitting again.  Doesn’t it bother you to be such a bullshitter?

That was only after it started leaking on social media. At first it was “Trump works shift at McDonalds” especially in conservative news outlets as noted in the links below, both of which refer to him serving customers and reporters, Fox even describing him serving a “surprised customer”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-makes-fries-pennsylvania-mcdonalds-ive-now-worked-15-minutes-more-than-kamala.amp

 

https://www.newsmax.com/amp/us/trump-kamala-harris/2024/10/20/id/1184801/

I would provide you with even more links to prove these aren’t one-offs but then you would just complain again. I’d love to hear how it has “nothing to do with “ the topic 

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO! What bullshit! When I post an article that directly contradicts or disproves your BS, you just make up that it has “nothing to do with the subject”.

LOL that has never happened    Post an example,  i dare you  

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Like when you said an article tiled “Debunked 2000 mules video contains no evidence” was actually trying to tell readers the video had compelling evidence.  

Post the link to the discussion. Lets see.  And also post what this 'compelling evidence was  

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Can you even explain how 2 articles about the people who attended the Harris event had “nothing to do with” the Harris event?

Post the  link to this discussion  lets see what your argument was and what the story was

 

You're such a liar  

52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

She didn’t drop in unannounced and kick out patrons.

Yeah.  we know  But that's how she presented it.  And they did actually kick out patrons, according to one of the patrons kicked out. 

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Lol those are fake customers. The restaurant is closed to the public. The “customers” are supporters. Nowhere before or after did Trump or anyone n his campaign communicate that it a staged event or that the people getting food were hand-picked staff and supporters.

They did an effing press announcement of it!!! The media was there to cover it, friendly and unfriendly   He totally did it to troll Kamala, he told EVERYONE about it   The media was RIGHT THERE  

How Trump’s Stop at McDonald’s Was Covered by Partisan Media - The New York Times

You are SUCH a liar  

They abso;utely did, and all the press releases after mentioned it and the sign posted on the restaurant days before warning the restaurant would be closed said it was for a political event. 

 

 

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He didn’t communicate anything about it being a staged event.

He absolutely did    The whole point was to troll kamala  

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

That was only after it started leaking on social media.

HE INVITED THE PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  He held a PRESS CONFERENCE !!!!

Trump tries to troll Harris by serving french fries at McDonald's

Trump also served up fries to and took questions from gathered reporters.

So was it the FREAKING REPORTERS that "leaked" it???  LOLOLOL

 

Ok  - I think I've had about enough fun with you  

Let's recap. what we've learned  

1  When you know you're wrong, you post massively long posts Frequently with links aplenty that are utterly irrelevant to the point being made and without actually mentioning which part of the links you feel are relevant. When you can't dazzle them with brilliance you baffle them with bullshit

2 kamala tried to pass off her restaurant stop as a casual thing that just happened and people were so excited to see her. Which was all a lie

3 Trump staged an event where he invited the press, posted a note on the McDonald's two days before that it would be closed, advised all of the people present that the drive-thru customers were handpicked and screened  furniture troll Kamala. It is 100% completely different than what she did

4 You lie like a cheap rug   LOLOL  I get that you're getting frustrated because Kamala is losing but come on dude! Nobody knew about the McDonald's event until it was leaked??  LOLOL!

You're not the dumbest left to here And every now and then you post something that's either intelligent or interesting or at least an argument that send me decently well made so I still hold out hope for you but every now and then you slip into this kind of absolute nonsense     And I have to admit you have genuinely got me actually belly laughing with the whole " the press leaked it to the press" routine