robosmith Posted October 21, 2024 Report Posted October 21, 2024 On 10/18/2024 at 9:42 AM, WestCanMan said: We're talking about when the Ukraine war started you grade 1 dropout, not your opinion of whether or not an American coup against a Ukrainian president was somehow legitimate. Crimea was annexed in 2014 dummy, and that's when the war in Donbas started. The next escalation occurred after Biden was put in the WH. Are you honestly trying to prove that you're retarded? 2017-2021 was almost entirely peaceful by comparison to 2014-2017 and 2021-present. Not just in Ukraine, but in the entire world. Obama and Biden, 2014-2017 and 2021-present = ME and Ukraine plagued by horrible wars and even genocides, Trump 2017-2021 = ME and Ukraine (and the world) trending sharply towards peace. You can't dispute that, stupid. I get that you can't understand it, but just remember I can predict those things. Yeah, I know you believe you "predicted" the Russian invasion because Putin was massing tanks on the border, and he'd already invaded Crimea and Donbas. LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted October 21, 2024 Report Posted October 21, 2024 9 hours ago, WestCanMan said: It's Biden's proxy war, you credulous little propaganda victim. The WHOLE POINT of Biden being in Ukraine, i.e. the official reason for Joe going there constantly as VP under Barack Obama, back when Hunter and Joe were bilking the country for millions, was to "rid the country of 'corruption and unwanted Russian influence' so that Ukraine could join NATO". And the US wasn't just interfering there a little bit. The whole Euromaidan protest was orchestrated by the US - they had already spent over $5B there to bring Ukraine into the American sphere of influence at that point. It was the US that decided who could even run in Ukraine's last election (God forbid a strong leader - A Klitschko - runs the Ukraine and then decides to put an end to all the killing: Volodymyr the clown was the most malleable quisling they could foist on Ukraine). Joe openly bragged about choosing Ukraine's new top prosector after he unilaterally got Shokin fired. Joe openly talked about Ukraine joining NATO back in 2009 and he talked about Ukraine joining NATO again when he got elected. Those are all facts, stupid. The US wears Ukraine like a glove, and they poked their finger up Russia's ass. You could choose to say: "America's proxy war is making Russia look bad, and it was brilliant to start this war and drain Russia's military like this" if you think that all the lives lost, land seized, cities destroyed, and all the billions spent were worth it, and Russia won't emerge from this stronger than before, but to pretend that this is "Russia's war of expansion" just makes you an id10t. If you're so God-damned stupid or ignorant that you can't or won't understand any of that, that's your problem, but anyone with any brains and geopolitical awareness who reads these posts will understand that Ukraine-Russia is an American proxy war, period, it's costing hundreds of thousands of lives, and it's extremely dangerous. You're so f'ing stupid that you can't even speak English. Define "victory" for Russia... Does it seem like they're trying to take Kiev to you? It seems to me like their goal is to seize SE Ukraine, all the way from the Dnipro to the former Russian border, and that's where the battle lines are drawn as we speak. I don't blame you for listening to the latest propaganda because you're a low-IQ cultist and it's overwhelming for your little pea-brain, but according to the propaganda that you're always regurgitating here Ukraine has also been winning this whole time, while Russian forces currently occupy almost 20% of Ukraine. Ukraine has hundreds of thousands of people buried now, and some flat cities ahead of Russia's advance. Can you explain to me how Ukrainians have been winning all these battles, all along, and yet the map keeps showing Russia growing and Ukraine shrinking? Ask yourself: "If the city that I live in looked like Bakhmut does now, would I still consider my side to be winning?" Here's a little sumthin' for your own edification, dummy: instead of just listening to the latest propaganda and then running your mouth about it, only to end up proving how stupid you are, find an interactive map that shows where all the fighting currently is. Propagandists can lie all day about who's winning or losing, and they'll lie right to your face, but it's still a step too far for them to draw up their maps and pretend that there's a battle occurring where there isn't one. FYI the areas called "Claimed Russian Advance" and "Claimed Limits of Ukrainian Advance" both fit into what we'd call "the fog of war" right now. We don't know for certain how much troop strength for either side is in those areas, if Ukrainian forces are committed to holding any of that, if they believe that they can hold any of it long-term, or if it was just taken for a quick propaganda victory. Do they have any intention of holding it? Highly unlikely. The troops are most likely poised for immediate evacuation, otherwise it's a basic suicide mission. For all we know, maybe Ukrainian forces have fled those areas and even the Russians don't know it yet. Those are just areas of uncertainty. I'll tell you what we do know from that map: the area that's theoretically controlled by Ukraine is surrounded on 3 sides by areas that are either known to be reclaimed by Russia or claimed to be reclaimed by Russia, and "in the middle of advancing enemy forces" is not "prime military real estate". If your unit got orders to go into that blue region, you'd be making your peace with God right now, moreso than if you were going to any other theatre of that war. Even Russian and Ukrainian brass need constant updates to know what the situation there is hour-by-hour, and minute-by-minute, so you sure as hell don't know what's going on there based on some CNN propaganda that you saw from the friendly confines of your mom's basement 4 days ago. Honestly, if you want to have even a shred of credibility when you talk about that war, just belch out less CNN propaganda - it's incredibly stupid - and say things like: "It looks like Ukraine is in no risk of losing their sovereignty now. That's a huge victory for tiny Ukraine, and a huge embarrassment for Putin and 'mighty' 🤣 Russia!!! This war, and all the senseless killing, will end soon." My quote is incredibly accurate, by leftard standards. Even prophetic: Ukraine's sovereignty is not at risk, at all It's your word against anyone else's if you want to pretend that Russia's goal is to seize Kiev Keeping their sovereignty if Russia wanted to take them over really would be a victory I don't think this war went swimmingly for Russia. US weapons technology clearly had a massive edge of Russia's The killing absolutely is senseless, and chicks will dig it if you say that, you might even get to kiss your first non-plastic girl When Trump gets elected, the war will end, so you'll actually impress people with your 'intelligence' for once. No need to thank me. ^Your OPINIONS are unsubstantiated by EVIDENCE. LMAO Try again. Quote
User Posted October 21, 2024 Report Posted October 21, 2024 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Google "proxy war" ffs. I don't need to. I was not arguing this point. Learn to read. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Russia started the war only in the most literal of terms... So, yes, they started the war. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: We started this sh!t and all of these people are dying just because of us No, we didn't. Russia was meddling in Ukraine and their stooge got ousted. They took advantage of that chaos and invaded Crimea. Then, they instigated sedition in the Donbas and literally sent their military in to fight against Ukraine there. Then, they built up an invasion force and launched a full scale invasion. Every step of the way, it was Russia that did this. People are dying because of Russia. You are a Putin sycophant pushing his propaganda to back them. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Oh, Russian troops are currently advancing on Kiev, are they? Can you point to the spot on the map where Russian forces are advancing towards Kiev? Oh boy, look at how dishonest you are. I clearly stated Russia initially tried to take Kiev on day 1. They failed, they got their asses kicked. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: When the peace agreement was being worked on in Turkey, and it was actually signed btw (it's not just Russians who say that) - Biden just nixed it, Russian forces retreated. They have never advanced in the direction of Kiev since then. Wow... just amazing how on the very timeframe Russian logistics were being cut off, their forces being pushed back by Ukrainian counter offensive, that they had to retreat... Putin claims there was a peace deal signed by Ukraine and he was just retreating out of the kindness of his heart. The only question I have for you is if you are really this ignorant that you believe this or if you are just this dishonest? What direction do you think Russian forces are headed in right now you clown? Towards Kiev. If they were not advancing that direction, they would be headed back to Russia you mor0n. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: You can claim that "Ukraine just wiped them out" or whatever, but that's now what happened. I did not say wiped out, but over the course of a couple of months Russia pushed to the outskirts of Kiev. They were trying to encircle Kiev and the pushed too far and it took them too long. They were trying to take Kiev much more quickly and failed, they got stopped and then pushed back. They stretched their logistics too far. This is all documented battlefield history. Its even called the battle of Keiv for crying out loud. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The flurry of peace talks that Russia engaged in, back when they were theoretically trying to conquer Kiev, is telling. Telling of what? How are you this dishonest? If Russia wanted peace, all they had to do is turn around and go home or never invade in the first place. 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: As a courtesy, I'm just going to pretend that you were just talking out of your ass when you said that, and you're not really that stupid. You are not offering me any courtesy here, you just can't respond to the facts. Quote
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WestCanMan Posted October 21, 2024 Author Report Posted October 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: It’s Putin’s, you gullible dumbass. More lies, you gullible dumbass You're a stupid little man and a relentless liar, your Russian collusion drivel proved that beyond a doubt, but I've never seen a leftard try to pretend that the Bidens weren't carpet-bagging in Ukraine before you just popped off there. You're a next-level cultist, Beavey. Quote No, putin puppet. You’re just repeating kremlin propaganda again. Euromaidanwas prott against the Kremlin-installed brutal and corrupt puppet who had his opponents and journalists jailed, beaten up or killed, and unilaterally vetoed the EU Association Agreement which had been supported by Ukrainian parliament and most Ukrainians, replacing it instead with an association agreement with Russia and its shitty satellites, all of whom have backwards corrupt economies. Most Ukrainians want to travel and trade with the advanced economies of Europe not fuking Kyrgyzstan, outer Siberia and the Russian mafia. The whole rest of your diatribe is pathetic copypasta from the Kremlin. Just because the truth is inconvenient for you, that doesn't make it propaganda, stupid. Euromaidan was 100% driven by the US and all the billions that they invested in destabilizing Ukraine. The Americans were officially working towards that moment since 1991. The Ukrainians elected a man with veto power, and he used is veto power, stupid. Just like Biden ended up in the WH and used his power there to singlehandedly destroy the economy and open up the border. Was Biden ousted? Quote \Hilarious when I first educated YOU about the recent history of Ukraine you admitted that you didn’t know anything about it and didn’t care. Now you think you’re some sort of expert. Typical of your type: dumb and ignorant > gullible > self-taught expert > even more dumb and ignorant. You've never educated anyone about anything, id10t. Sorry but no one is signing up for your "CNN Propaganda 101" course. In case you didn't notice, I predicted this very war with a thread that you can find on this very forum. You didn't know it was coming, and you still don't know why it happened. Quote You self-lobotomized mor0n do you not recall that in Feb 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine on multiple fronts and was on the outskirts of Kyiv before they got their asses handed to them and that summer they were pushed all the way back across the Dnipro or into Belarus? That was definitely a heavily reported event and heavily discussed on this forum that you were definitely aware of at the time. Your ability to delete inconvenient facts from your memory is astounding. You have no clue wtf is going on, ever. There were basically 3 different phases to this war: Russia massing troops to threaten Ukraine, to warn them off of joining NATO Russia actually pushing tanks towards Kiev, while they constantly made attempts at negotiating a peace settlement When Russia realized that Biden wouldn't let the war end, Putin set about seizing the southeastern portion of Ukraine, and that's where we are now If Ukraine could so easily destroy Russian tanks and stop them in their tracks then why is 20% of Ukraine controlled by Russia now, dipsh!t? Quote As for the rest of your diatribe, where you not only get wrong what I said but also basic facts about the war:While Russia is recapturing very small amounts of territory in Eastern Ukraine - largely thanks to help from pro-Putin Republicans in congress who choked off military aid - Literally everything that you just said there is BS. "Very small amounts of territory in eastern Ukraine" equals almost 20% of the entire country, dumbass. Quote they are losing an enormous amount of liberal doing so: Again, you're so GD stupid that you can't even speak English lol. Quote human wave after human wave. Russia has suffered thousands of casualties per square mile gained, 1,200 per day. 675,000 casualties to date. These casualty rates aren’t sustainable. Russia still holds significantly less Ukrainian territory than they did at their peak of the 2022 invasion You're confusing territory that Russia initially blazed across with territory that they held. Quote BTW Bakhmut is a village, not a city. While Russia barbarically and deliberately targets civilians by bombarding cities, it hasn’t flattened any actual cities, only villages. FWIW I said "The city that you live in", I never called Bakhmut a city The population of Bakhmut was 80,000 before this war started. That's not a metropolis but there are a lot of 'cities' with less than 80,000 people. I've seen Bakhmut referred to as a city, and I don't really care what its official status is in Russia. Take this up with Reuters if you want: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bakhmut-why-russia-ukraine-are-battling-so-hard-one-small-city-2023-03-14/ Quote Putin started this war. This is his war you ignorant brainwashed dope. This war was absolutely instigated by Biden and Obama, and it absolutely is a proxy war. If Biden didn't want this war to start it never would have started. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
impartialobserver Posted October 21, 2024 Report Posted October 21, 2024 The conflict in Ukraine predates Putin, Trump, Biden, and Harris by hundreds of years. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 21, 2024 Author Report Posted October 21, 2024 3 hours ago, User said: I don't need to. I was not arguing this point. Learn to read. So, yes, they started the war. No, we didn't. Russia was meddling in Ukraine and their stooge got ousted. They took advantage of that chaos and invaded Crimea. Then, they instigated sedition in the Donbas and literally sent their military in to fight against Ukraine there. Then, they built up an invasion force and launched a full scale invasion. Every step of the way, it was Russia that did this. People are dying because of Russia. You are a Putin sycophant pushing his propaganda to back them. Oh boy, look at how dishonest you are. I clearly stated Russia initially tried to take Kiev on day 1. They failed, they got their asses kicked. Wow... just amazing how on the very timeframe Russian logistics were being cut off, their forces being pushed back by Ukrainian counter offensive, that they had to retreat... Putin claims there was a peace deal signed by Ukraine and he was just retreating out of the kindness of his heart. The only question I have for you is if you are really this ignorant that you believe this or if you are just this dishonest? What direction do you think Russian forces are headed in right now you clown? Towards Kiev. If they were not advancing that direction, they would be headed back to Russia you mor0n. I did not say wiped out, but over the course of a couple of months Russia pushed to the outskirts of Kiev. They were trying to encircle Kiev and the pushed too far and it took them too long. They were trying to take Kiev much more quickly and failed, they got stopped and then pushed back. They stretched their logistics too far. This is all documented battlefield history. Its even called the battle of Keiv for crying out loud. Telling of what? How are you this dishonest? If Russia wanted peace, all they had to do is turn around and go home or never invade in the first place. You are not offering me any courtesy here, you just can't respond to the facts. You're just playing stupid now, User. Yanukovich did legal things that a president is allowed to do and it was the US that organized the protests to oust him, just like they do in other countries all over the world. How old are you? I get what you stated about Russia, you were just wrong, and I proved that. No one makes an actual attempt to take over a city while they're busy making peace proposals. You're really stupid if you think that they were. It's not just Putin that claims the deal was signed. 3rd parties involved in the process also said an agreement was reached. Quote What direction do you think Russian forces are headed in right now you clown? Towards Kiev. If they were not advancing that direction, they would be headed back to Russia you mor0n. OMG that's stupid. FYI it's possible to drive east from Texas without heading towards NYC, dingus. You could go to Alabama, the Carolinas, Florida or several other states. In this instance, they'd be headed towards southern Florida. The Russians are pushing west across southern Ukraine, securing the Donbas region, and access to Crimea. Kiev is so far to the north and west of there that your assertion that they're headed towards Kiev is out-of-this-world stupid. User: "Ukraine is shaped like railway tracks, and that means that if the Russians are advancing at all, they're headed straight towards Kiev." Your knowledge of what's happening in Ukraine would fit in a nutshell and rattle. Quote If Russia wanted peace, all they had to do is turn around and go home or never invade in the first place. No, that's what Russia would do if they wanted NATO in Ukraine, and they were willing to give the Donbas back. If Russia just walked away right now, NATO would be in Ukraine by next week and Russia could never go back. If Ukraine joins NATO while Russia is at war with them, that's essentially a declaration of war by NATO against Russia, because Article 5 says so. Ukraine brought this on themselves, now it's costing them. Trying to join NATO was just too unneighbourly of them from Russia's POV, and Russia did exactly what the US would have done in that same situation. v Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Five of swords Posted October 23, 2024 Report Posted October 23, 2024 On 10/20/2024 at 12:54 PM, I am Groot said: TIL that when another country invades you it's YOUR fault for 'starting a war'. You never studied much history then. It happens all the time. Quote
Deluge Posted October 24, 2024 Report Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/16/2024 at 2:03 PM, herbie said: Putin will give him a piece of paper he can wave when he gets off the plane guaranteeing Peace In Our Time. The democrat party loves war. 1 Quote
myata Posted October 24, 2024 Report Posted October 24, 2024 Roosevelt and Churchill's wars on innocent cute Nazis are anathema! Let's run to hug with Hitlers to avoid WWXX!! Liars will lie. Traitors will betray. And we know the consequences. This time around, we knew everything. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
User Posted October 24, 2024 Report Posted October 24, 2024 15 minutes ago, myata said: Roosevelt and Churchill's wars on innocent cute Nazis are anathema! Let's run to hug with Hitlers to avoid WWXX!! Liars will lie. Traitors will betray. And we know the consequences. This time around, we knew everything. It’s intriguing to consider how various threads of discourse can intertwine and create a tapestry of meaning that often shifts with perspective. The layers of interpretation invite us to reflect on the broader implications, even if the specifics remain elusive. Ultimately, the dance of ideas continues to evolve in ways that challenge our understanding. Quote
myata Posted October 24, 2024 Report Posted October 24, 2024 Telling isn't it? He has nothing to say so dumb laugh is the only option. But we knew everything here: no revelations and zero surprises. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
User Posted October 24, 2024 Report Posted October 24, 2024 17 minutes ago, myata said: Telling isn't it? He has nothing to say so dumb laugh is the only option. But we knew everything here: no revelations and zero surprises. It’s certainly a curious situation, where the absence of substance often leads to reactions that speak volumes. In many ways, the predictability can be as revealing as the unexpected, shaping our perceptions in a unique way. Perhaps it’s all part of a larger narrative we’re still trying to decipher. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 24, 2024 Author Report Posted October 24, 2024 There are 2 Kamalas: Kamala #1 reads from a teleprompter for 70 days at a time without answering to any reporters at all, no doubt that teleprompter is controlled by the same people who run the country through Joe's lips Kamala #2 is an angry, scatterbrained, and dull person who always has to learn from her mistakes, and she laughs about that (as seen in her recent AC360 interview), as if making mistakes that harm millions of people are ever funny. She seems to think that she's in the "try" league, but being POTUS is definitely a big league job. Why would anyone expect Kamala #1's teleprompter to yield a different outcome, regarding global peace, than it did when it was Joe's lips that were moved by it? Who in their right mind would trust Kamala #2, aka Kamala "Well I tried, hawhawhawhawhawhaw" Harris to try to stumble and bumble her way to global peace? Sorry Kamala, but Americans aren't your friends anymore, they'd need you to be their leader, and no one thinks it's funny when their leader makes a huge mistake that costs them all dearly. Trump has already proven himself to be an architect of peace through strength. I don't think that Kamala's peace through stupidity and shrieking at people is worth a shot. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
I am Groot Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:28 AM, Deluge said: The democrat party loves war. The Trump party loves surrendering. Quote
Legato Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:39 AM, myata said: This time around, we knew everything. Yes. Now please give us a reason why you were left out the loop, or was the loop actually an inverted mobius strip? Quote
User Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: You're just playing stupid now, User. No, but when I am talking to you it feels like I am losing IQ points suffering through the absolute drivel and lies you spew. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: Yanukovich did legal things that a president is allowed to do and it was the US that organized the protests to oust him, just like they do in other countries all over the world. How old are you? Yeah, he was a puppet of Russia and passing draconian laws against protests that he then used to kill protestors. the dude was beyond corrupt and was removed by parliament as he ran away back to Russia. Go figure, you are here defending him. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: I get what you stated about Russia, you were just wrong, and I proved that. No one makes an actual attempt to take over a city while they're busy making peace proposals. You're really stupid if you think that they were. You did not prove anything more than how far you are willing to go in your lies. Russia pushed on Ukraine on multiple fronts thinking they could take the country in only a few days. They pushed on Kiev for months, almost working to encircle the city. They failed as they were not able to take the city as quickly as they thought which gave Ukraine time to launch successful counter attacks to push them back. Peace proposals that are heavily skewed to their favor with unrealistic demands are not honest attempts at peace and at any time they could have all the peace they wanted had they never invaded. You are a pathetic liar. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: It's not just Putin that claims the deal was signed. 3rd parties involved in the process also said an agreement was reached. He claimed a delegation that had no authority to agree to any peace deal has signed a draft. The simple fact is that no agreement was ever formally reached. Let me guess, this is where you are going to cry for poor little Putin, who was tricked? That he was so incompetent and dumb? On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: OMG that's stupid. FYI it's possible to drive east from Texas without heading towards NYC, dingus. You could go to Alabama, the Carolinas, Florida or several other states. In this instance, they'd be headed towards southern Florida. Yeah, this is stupid, that you are here arguing Russia is not advancing on Kiev to take Ukraine... as they are in fact advancing on Kiev to take Ukraine. What is the point of an invading force in Tesas heading East to Alabama, the Carolinas, or Florida? So now you braindead dishonest argument is that Russia wants to invade all of Ukraine, just not Kiev. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: The Russians are pushing west across southern Ukraine, securing the Donbas region, and access to Crimea. Kiev is so far to the north and west of there that your assertion that they're headed towards Kiev is out-of-this-world stupid. So... you think they stop after the Donbas region? What do you base this on? Do you have a copy of Putins plans? Honestly, lets say the Ukraine military collapses next week, its a full scale rout like North Vietnam running over ARVN. You think Putin stops and doesn't take Kiev? On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: No, that's what Russia would do if they wanted NATO in Ukraine, and they were willing to give the Donbas back. So, Russia doesn't want peace. So stop peddling this lie. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: If Russia just walked away right now, NATO would be in Ukraine by next week and Russia could never go back. Could never go back? IT IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY you clown. You have conceded that Russia doesn't want peace, they want war to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. That is the opposite of wanting peace. On 10/21/2024 at 1:24 PM, WestCanMan said: Ukraine brought this on themselves, now it's costing them. Trying to join NATO was just too unneighbourly of them from Russia's POV, and Russia did exactly what the US would have done in that same situation. You can believe this BS all you want, but you don't get to also claim Russia wants peace at the same time. You are justifying and defending their war. And the stupid part of it is that you keep saying they don't want to take Kiev... but you also are here defending them doing whatever it takes to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. So, you do agree they are willing to go all the way to Keiv and fully conquer Ukraine to stop them from joining NATO. And no... the US would not have done the same thing. NATO is a force for good in the world, not evil. They are a defensive alliance going back to the end of WWII to prevent something like that from happening again. The US would not care if a friendly alliance was on their border. Quote
Deluge Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: The Trump party loves surrendering. Wrong. The Trump party already konws it can kick ass. It doesn't just attack other countries like the piece of shit dictators of the democrat party. Edited October 27, 2024 by Deluge Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 27, 2024 Author Report Posted October 27, 2024 2 hours ago, User said: No, but when I am talking to you it feels like I am losing IQ points suffering through the absolute drivel and lies you spew. Yeah, he was a puppet of Russia and passing draconian laws against protests that he then used to kill protestors. the dude was beyond corrupt and was removed by parliament as he ran away back to Russia. Go figure, you are here defending him. You did not prove anything more than how far you are willing to go in your lies. Russia pushed on Ukraine on multiple fronts thinking they could take the country in only a few days. They pushed on Kiev for months, almost working to encircle the city. They failed as they were not able to take the city as quickly as they thought which gave Ukraine time to launch successful counter attacks to push them back. Peace proposals that are heavily skewed to their favor with unrealistic demands are not honest attempts at peace and at any time they could have all the peace they wanted had they never invaded. You are a pathetic liar. He claimed a delegation that had no authority to agree to any peace deal has signed a draft. The simple fact is that no agreement was ever formally reached. Let me guess, this is where you are going to cry for poor little Putin, who was tricked? That he was so incompetent and dumb? Yeah, this is stupid, that you are here arguing Russia is not advancing on Kiev to take Ukraine... as they are in fact advancing on Kiev to take Ukraine. What is the point of an invading force in Tesas heading East to Alabama, the Carolinas, or Florida? So now you braindead dishonest argument is that Russia wants to invade all of Ukraine, just not Kiev. So... you think they stop after the Donbas region? What do you base this on? Do you have a copy of Putins plans? Honestly, lets say the Ukraine military collapses next week, its a full scale rout like North Vietnam running over ARVN. You think Putin stops and doesn't take Kiev? So, Russia doesn't want peace. So stop peddling this lie. Could never go back? IT IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY you clown. You have conceded that Russia doesn't want peace, they want war to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. That is the opposite of wanting peace. You can believe this BS all you want, but you don't get to also claim Russia wants peace at the same time. You are justifying and defending their war. And the stupid part of it is that you keep saying they don't want to take Kiev... but you also are here defending them doing whatever it takes to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. So, you do agree they are willing to go all the way to Keiv and fully conquer Ukraine to stop them from joining NATO. And no... the US would not have done the same thing. NATO is a force for good in the world, not evil. They are a defensive alliance going back to the end of WWII to prevent something like that from happening again. The US would not care if a friendly alliance was on their border. I can't be bothered explaining all of these things to you because your confirmation is just set to maximum ignorance. You have no common sense, no insights, no historical knowledge, you can't even find Kiev on a map, and you're just rude and stupid. Long story short, you're gonna see how quickly Trump can end that war, and more importantly - what it's gonna take. A simple contract that Ukraine can never join NATO and Ukraine will end up being about 19% smaller than it was when Biden was elected. Put a bow on that, and the Russia-Ukraine war is over. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted October 27, 2024 Author Report Posted October 27, 2024 5 hours ago, I am Groot said: The Trump party loves surrendering. Examples? Did Trump surrender when Irans' proxies, under the command of one General Suleimani, attacked a US embassy, killing one contractor? US bases have been attacked hundreds of times now that Biden's in the WH, because "When the cat's away...." Did Trump's gov't let a terrorist group take over 100,000 sq km in the ME? Did Trump run a full-scale retreat from Afghanistan, with his tail between his legs? Did China's unfair trade relations with the US go unchecked under Trump? Did NATO countries ride America's coattails when Trump was POTUS? Was the border taken over by cartels when Trump was POTUS? Were there entire apartment buildings taken over by foreign gangs when Trump was president? It's not just Aurora Colorado now, it happened again in Texas. Is Ukraine "winning" something right now? Because when I look at the map, their country got way smaller than it was when Obama was elected, and then it shrunk again when Biden was elected. One of us predicted that Ukraine would shrink when Biden was elected. Was that you? How much did Ukraine shrink when Trump was POTUS? Again, provide some examples, thanks. I provided a lot of examples that prove the opposite of what you said. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted October 28, 2024 Report Posted October 28, 2024 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I can't be bothered explaining all of these things to you because your confirmation is just set to maximum ignorance. You have no common sense, no insights, no historical knowledge, you can't even find Kiev on a map, and you're just rude and stupid. Long story short, you're gonna see how quickly Trump can end that war, and more importantly - what it's gonna take. A simple contract that Ukraine can never join NATO and Ukraine will end up being about 19% smaller than it was when Biden was elected. Put a bow on that, and the Russia-Ukraine war is over. LOL, run away! Of course, you will still be spreading your ignorance and lies again in other threads. You have your head so far up Putin a$$, it is a miracle you can even breathe. Quote
Hodad Posted October 28, 2024 Report Posted October 28, 2024 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I can't be bothered explaining all of these things to you because your confirmation is just set to maximum ignorance. You have no common sense, no insights, no historical knowledge, you can't even find Kiev on a map, and you're just rude and stupid. Long story short, you're gonna see how quickly Trump can end that war, and more importantly - what it's gonna take. A simple contract that Ukraine can never join NATO and Ukraine will end up being about 19% smaller than it was when Biden was elected. Put a bow on that, and the Russia-Ukraine war is over. The easy diplomacy of appeasement is the new Art of the Deal! Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2024 Author Report Posted October 28, 2024 15 hours ago, User said: LOL, run away! Of course, you will still be spreading your ignorance and lies again in other threads. You have your head so far up Putin a$$, it is a miracle you can even breathe. I've already explained everything to you a dozen times and it has become obvious that you're just extremely ignorant and stupid. You either can't read a map well enough to find Kiev or you're just a liar. In any event, everything that I said is easily verifiable: Russia owns crimes and 18% of mainland Ukraine now Russian troops are not advancing on Ukraine It's the epitome of stupidity to say that Russia is at the beginning of a rampage across Europe Trump can end this war within a week, and you'll see what Russia asks for, and that will mainly be a guarantee of "No NATO in Ukraine. Bye, dummy. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted October 28, 2024 Report Posted October 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I've already explained everything to you a dozen times and it has become obvious that you're just extremely ignorant and stupid. You either can't read a map well enough to find Kiev or you're just a liar. Read a map? You are the one lying about Russia not trying to take Kyiv. Here, see if you can read this map: Gee, I guess all those Russian forces around Kyiv were just there to wave and say hello. You are, without a doubt, one of the biggest clowns on this forum on this subject, and you have no integrity. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2024 Author Report Posted October 28, 2024 16 minutes ago, User said: Read a map? You are the one lying about Russia not trying to take Kyiv. Here, see if you can read this map: Gee, I guess all those Russian forces around Kyiv were just there to wave and say hello. You are, without a doubt, one of the biggest clowns on this forum on this subject, and you have no integrity. In that month, Russia went into peace talks about 4 times. Then they "inexplicably" stopped advancing. No one does that when they're actually trying to take over. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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