"Joel Kotkin: Western nations cripple their economies with green initiatives while China and others laugh"

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

China needs these power plants to manufacture all the crap we buy from them.

So why not put a massive tarrif on all their goods then? That should make you happy right?

 ohh.... wait....

[cougar]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So why not put a massive tarrif on all their goods then? That should make you happy right?

 ohh.... wait....

We do.  They were promising a 100% tariff on Chinese electric vehicles.  Just because the average Canadian might be tempted to own an electric vehicle costing $12K instead of one with a price tag of over $45K.

What I hope for is for China and India to put a 100% tariff on Canadian oil, gas, coal and timber.

[cougar]

On 10/24/2024 at 3:39 AM, Venandi said:

Don't know about others, and I don't live in BC, but I used those bags for a lot of things.

 

I assume after you used those bags they ended up in the garbage and finally a landfill.

The reason why they were banned is that the vast majority of users did not have the intellect to properly dispose of them or take them to a recycling depot.

We have a population of mostly i-di-o-ts who bring their take away lunch to a rest area by the side of the road and leave the plastic or foam container, plastic cups and lids, plastic straws and the plastic bag in the ditch to the whims of wind and water.  

We have to do what it takes to prevent those i-di-o-ts from harming our environment and us.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

We do. 

No we don't.

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They were promising a 100% tariff on Chinese electric vehicles.  Just because the average Canadian might be tempted to own an electric vehicle costing $12K instead of one with a price tag of over $45K.

well that's  A good, not ALL goods.

But it is hilarious that they decided to massively tarrif one of the few environmentally friendly things to come out of china  

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What I hope for is for China and India to put a 100% tariff on Canadian oil, gas, coal and timber.

Unfortunately they would freeze in the dark. But the day will come

The technology is not there yet. We're missing a couple of key pieces. But sooner or later those pieces will show up. Basically all we're missing is a way to store electricity efficiently the way we store gasoline or water. The amount of water you can store in a container is considerably more than the weight of the container, but right now the amount of electricity you can store in a battery is actually extremely small compared to the size of the battery.

Someday that will change and we will be able to store very large amounts of energy in very small packages and access it readily. At that point the world will drop almost all fossil fuels. But before then it's just not going to happen.

[Venandi]

6 hours ago, cougar said:

I assume after you used those bags they ended up in the garbage and finally a landfill.

You assume wrong.

 I actually went out of my way to ensure they got recycled (after they were reused and repurposed as target stuffers) usually by submitting them directly to the centre itself. If, despite that effort, they still went into land fill, that falls squarely on the shoulders of the provincial recycling centre. 

It also means that the loud mouth self righteous advocates and defenders of that bogus effort contributed to the problem by loudly stumping for it at every opportunity... that would be the same folks who now ridicule those who actually complied with what they themselves demanded. I'm starting to think that the big talkers here actually qualify as the biggest frauds. Top of the morning to ya Herb...

None of that changes the fact (I shouldn't say fact, it's just my observation) that people who previously repurposed those bags now buy them for the same purposes since the purpose itself still remains. If the bags are actually thicker, and it appears to me that they are, then what exactly was accomplished here? 

The ability to anticipate and trap the negative effects of unintended consequences is actually part of the planning process when selecting/testing any proposed course of action (COA)... a fact seemingly lost on progressives. By way of example, the push toward  defunding police comes instantly to mind as the biggest single example of collective madness in my lifetime, my only question to those folks (most of whom have had a profound change of heart BTW) is WTF did you think was going to happen?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Venandi

[herbie]

Once again the dumbest among us deflect to China, Chins as if it has anything whatsoeever to do with reducing carbon footprints personally. in BC, or in Canada.

I'm using dumb, as in the old saying 'don't attribute to maliciousness what is usually stupidity'.
I simply can not see a single logical reason for anyone to object to reducing use of single-use plastics. Convenience is about the least logic reason possible, not the best reason.

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Once again the dumbest among us deflect to China, Chins as if it has anything whatsoeever to do with reducing carbon footprints personally. in BC, or in Canada.

 

So your argument is that all that climate change that is caused by china's emissions will respect our borders and stay away on moral grounds?

How stupid do you have to be to think that emissions in china don't impact us here in Canada. Who would have suspected that the climate denier would turn out to be you

[herbie]

You want to bring China into the discussion, discuss how China is making all the money from Green initiatives because N American business dragged it's feet listening to troglodytes like you ppl.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

You want to bring China into the discussion, discuss how China is making all the money from Green initiatives because N American business dragged it's feet listening to troglodytes like you ppl.

And yet still polluting and increasing their pollution at a rate of one Canada every 18 months

Maybe the stupidity was bothering with green initiatives in the first place

[Goddess]

☎️ *ring, ring*

"Hello, is this the Federal Government of Canada? This is the Canadian Climate Institute. You can just mail our $30 million taxpayer dollars to this location in Bobcaygeon.  Yes, that's right.  No, no, it's not a cottage.  It's a chalet."

 

[Goddess]

On 10/20/2024 at 3:30 PM, Goddess said:

Up to $41 billion of the funds distributed to climate causes by the World Bank between 2017 and 2023 are unaccounted for due to poor accounting standards, according to an audit from Oxfam International published Thursday.

Up to $41 billion in World Bank climate finance unaccounted for, Oxfam finds | Oxfam International

There is no clear public record showing where this money went or how it was used, which makes any assessment of its impacts impossible. It also remains unclear whether these funds were even spent on climate-related initiatives intended to help low- and middle-income countries protect people from the impacts of the climate crisis and invest in clean energy.

"We had to sift through layers of complex and incomplete reports, and even then, the data was full of gaps and inconsistencies.".......said Donald.

 

And another $24 BILLION......gone.

World Bank Lost Track of Billions in Climate Funding - Bloomberg

 

But don't worry, even though $65 BILLION disappeared, it's totally NOT a scam. 🙄

[WestCanMan]

On 10/15/2024 at 2:03 PM, herbie said:

Duh, it's just too hard to make money from Green initiatives.
Say those who don't want to try.

Have you ever heard of China?

It's a country that the Biden family does a lot of business with. The Bidens raked in over $11M from their joint ventures with the Chinese gov't.

1. Despite holding less than 7 percent of the world's lithium reserves, China has managed to secure an 80 percent share of global lithium chemical production, 78 percent of cathode production, and a staggering 70 percent of cell manufacturing for the electric car industry.
2. China

   China also dominates global solar generation, producing 77.8% of the world's solar panels and owning 80% of the world's solar panel manufacturing capacity

    

   As of July 2024, China has 1,161 operational coal power plants, more than any other country. China is responsible for over 50% of the world's coal electricity generation.

    

   China permitted more coal power plants last year than any time in the last seven years, according to a new report released this week. It's the equivalent of about two new coal power plants per week.

[herbie]

Good show there. You appear to think you've refuted what I said by repeating exactly what I said.

Let's whine and stick our thumbs up our asses for another 10 years so China gets 100%

[SpankyMcFarland]

Be that as it may, China is building the next generation of cars for the world, and they are electric. If the US chooses to stay with internal combustion it will be become a Cuban museum for such vehicles. 

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Be that as it may, China is building the next generation of cars for the world, and they are electric. If the US chooses to stay with internal combustion it will be become a Cuban museum for such vehicles. 

I don't think the data supports that. EV sales have largely peaked and there's still a very small percentage compared to ice sales. EVS are significantly impractical for a lot of people and they have serious shortcomings in the technology at this point.

To be honest I think the real winner will be the one that feels a good quality and affordable plug-in hybrid. It gives most of the benefits of electric and avoids all of the problems.

But I don't think we're going to see Pure electric is taking over from ice entirely anytime in the foreseeable future unless we get some pretty amazing advances in technology

[blackbird]

Canada under the Liberal-NDP coalition is committing economic suicide with the war on climate change.  Canada has one of the highest carbon taxes in the world.  Most countries don't even have carbon taxes.  The truth is it will make no difference at all to climate change because Canada's emissions are miniscule compared with the rest of the world plus there is no proof that man is a significant cause of climate change.  This whole thing is a scam of the worst kind and punishes the population for nothing.

 

Edited December 18, 2024 by blackbird