The sad state of Canadian leadership concerning Israel and the middle east

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

When has it not been the standard, since man has be able to swing a club, it has been this way...

Sure but a lot of effort has been put into changing that standard. Resistance is not futile.

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...it is why we as a nation are so weak...

We've also demonstrated we can muster up in pretty short order when the mood strikes. We had the 4th largest armed force in the world at one point.  Careful for what you wish for might be good face on our stance. And as you know I'm all in on developing a MAD option to deter invasion.  Something so hideously destructive you'd have to be nuts to invade us.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No. The UN is not the League of Nations.

Are you seriously arguing that the UN morphed into the zoo it is today between 1946 and 1949 when it passed resolution 149 - that It somehow lost all the reverence and gravitas you use to justify it's having righteously wafted Israel into existence just a few short years before?  How convenient.

When the UN Charter came into existence on 24 October 1945, the League of Nations was still active. For a few months, the two organizations coexisted. In April 1946, 35 of the 46 Member States met in Geneva to formally approve the dissolution of the League.

https://www.ungeneva.org/en/about/league-of-nations/transition#:~:text=When the UN Charter came,the dissolution of the League.

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And by the way, I bet the UN hasn't made a similar resolution demanding Arab states compensate the 800k Jews forced out of their countries in 1948 who went to Israel.

Of course the League also created a Security Council with a veto before bowing out so what would be the point? If there's anything that turned the UN into a pile of useless crap its that.

[blackbird]

Most of the violence in the middle east is caused by terrorist organizations which are promoted and backed by Islamic extremists like Iran's governing party.  They don't care much for the Palestinian people which should be obvious in Gaza.  The Gaza people have paid a heavy price for the war caused by Hamas and other terrorist groups.  The ordinary Palestinians are the ones that suffer the most for this.  Hamas refuses now to sit down and negotiate a peace deal and refuses to release the last hostages.  Most of the 250 hostages appear to have died in captivity.   Most of the Palestinians are just being used as pawns by the Islamic extremists who seem to control Lebanon as well.

Unless these Islamic extremists are removed from Israel (Gaza, West Bank) and Lebanon, the fighting and terrorist attacks will continue endlessly.  Unfortunately, the Palestinian areas have brainwashed the young people to hate Israel from a young age.  This guarantees an endless supply of terrorists. That is another issue that doesn't seem to have a solution. Talking about a two-state solution would not stop them.  It is no solution.

Edited November 10, 2024 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Spare me. Most of those who fled Israel in 1948 did so at the urging of surrounding Arab states who assured they they'd be able to go back after they crushed Israel. Then they assured them they shouldn't dare go back or the Jews would murder them. Then they settled them in refugee camps but refused to accept them as citizens even after multiple generations. Too bad, so sad. The Arabs who stayed where they were didn't lose their land. They're now Israeli citizens.

Do you know any period in history where an army took such are to not harm civilians that they contacted them ahead of time to tell them where they were going to attack next and told them to leave? Ever? Anywhere?

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

I fully support Israel in her war against the  terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah and the f*cking Islamic Republic however, I can't support the killing of over 40,000 civilians. I think what they should do is to send troops into cities and towns to fight Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists instead of indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets in order to get the two terrorists hiding among twenty civilians in schools and hospitals and refugee camps hence killing all 22 people. This would have meant a lot more casualties on Israelis which they wish to avoid at the expense of civilians.

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Are you operating under the illusion, like these silly college kids, that this is the first time in history civilians have died in a war? I thought you more worldly than that. Civilians always die in wars, especially in urban wars. 350,000 in Yemen and counting and no one cares. 650,000 and counting in Syria and no one cares. Over 14,000,000 Sudanese forced out of their homes by fighting, hundreds of women committing suicide to avoid mass rapes, countless dead and no one cares. Over a million dead in Iraq. Tens of thousands dead in Libya. No one cares. 

 

I responded to this above,

Edited November 10, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

The Americans won't let them smash Iran's military, government or oil supplies.

Biden was a coward, Democrats are but now we have a new Republican President in the White house soon and Israelis have a much more open arms to deal with these bastards taking Iranians as hostage for 45 years and they have the support of the nation of Iran to do whatever is necessary to weaken this murderous regime. No more excuse for Israel/

Islamic Republic is not only a danger to Israel but to the whole world. They have a nuclear doctrine and an ideology to die for and destroy the world and die for it and are on the verge of developing nuclear weapons and means to deliver them (advanced space program in place with the help of Russia and North Korea). Not to mention sponsoring terrorism all over the world, most recent example is to kill President elect Trump!!!. UNITE AGAINST ISLAMIC REPUBLIC AND REMOVE IT.

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure but a lot of effort has been put into changing that standard. Resistance is not futile.

We've also demonstrated we can muster up in pretty short order when the mood strikes. We had the 4th largest armed force in the world at one point.  Careful for what you wish for might be good face on our stance. And as you know I'm all in on developing a MAD option to deter invasion.  Something so hideously destructive you'd have to be nuts to invade us.

The Victor writes history, the loser gets to pay for all of it....

Before that happened a lot of good men died while waiting for equipment, Don't think there is not a cost to being unprepared....our sons and daughters will pay that price....and i don't know about you but nothing this country has to offer is worth my sons or daughters lives, both of them are following in my footsteps....for a country that is so ungrateful at every turn.....We don't have a very good history of being prepared, both WW wars found us incredible short...

So ya in todays environment you can a build ship in 2 to 3 years, build aircraft at 2 or 3 per month, Ukraine has demonstrated that combat losses can not be sustained with our present industrial complex...it would take years and trillions of dollars invested just in new infrastructure to meet those needs...Hence why they say the next war is come as you are....

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The way the West let its military forces deteriorate after the Soviets broke up does not leave a lot of weapons ready to be shipped off the anyone. We all know what shape Canada's military is in, but most of Europe has been in roughly the same shape.. Europe, excluding Turkey, could not stave off a Russian attack without US help. They have few ground forces, and their stocks of artillery, tank shells and missiles are very low. Canada has almost none. All of them have put in big orders but it takes years to start getting supplies. All the arms companies are building new factories and putting on new shifts at existing ones but it takes time.

More to the point, Israel's military and its stockpiles are better than anyone in Europe has. It's that basic. The only ones who can give them anything they want are the Americans. 

 

The west has plenty of equipment, instead they are providing mostly old or obsolete stocks...look at what we sent LeoIIA4 training tanks....we really could have sent the whole fleet, we have 40 tanks that are fit for war.....all the others are training tanks, the tanks we sent over to Latvia are training tanks.....So ya Canada has lots to offer becasue our entire inventory is so old....as for the rest of the west same thing, europe alone could provide 3 to 4 tanks of the latest tanks, with no really loss of combat power, instead we send in hundred's of Leo I so old we even got rid of them... same as combat aircraft, and a lot opf other gear....instead NATO slow roles it support trying not to offend Russia...Ukraine is not going to last forever....

As for the lack of manufacturing capacity...well we knew this was coming for decades....even the US has let much of it's capacity fade...

[taxme]

On 11/9/2024 at 5:35 PM, I am Groot said:

Since 1966, thirteen Israelis have been awarded the Nobel Prize, the most honorable award in various fields including chemistry, economics, literature and peace. Israel has more Nobel Prizes per capita than Germany, the United States and France. It has more laureates, in real numbers, than India, China and Spain.

Your friends in Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran have tried to 'shut them down' and that hasn't worked out to well. You going to volunteer to go have a try?

 

 

In a war between civilization and barbarism, I always choose civilization. I don't need some propaganda campaign to convince me of what is right. I don't have any difficulty recognizing the enemies of civilization. 

So, who gives a crap. Many dozens of other people have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize also. So, what's your point here? 

Those two outfits you mentioned above are not my friends, dummy. Where have i ever said that i supported them? 

I believe that the Muslim religion is old and ancient and needs replacing. But don't tell me that Israel is not acting like a bunch of barbarians by killing tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians who want nothing to do with Hezbollah or Hamas. Everything in the world has to be all about poor old pampered Israel and poor old persecuted Jews. You need to read up on your history and see just how many gentiles have gone thru many disasters in their lifetime in the past several centuries. Gentile lives matter too. 😇

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Everything in the world has to be all about poor old pampered Israel and poor old persecuted Jews.

That is a very sad comment.

The Jews have been the target of practically all of Europe, Russia, and probably other countries where there were any for the past nearly 2000 years.  They have been deported from countries, legislated against in various ways and driven into ghettos. 

This link gives a history of many of the expulsions of the Jews from various places.

Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia

In the early 1940s they were hunted down all over Europe where the Nazis were in control and shipped to death camps in Poland as the final solution.  They were told they were being re-settled in eastern Europe.  Approximately six million were killed by the Nazis or around 60% of the Jews in Europe.

You said in at least one previous post why were the Jews victimized.  There are several reasons for this.  As far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned, one reason was the bizarre notion of Aryan superiority and Jewish inferiority.  Some of Hitler's library material discovered by the U.S. Army showed personally marked occult books.  Hitler kept a copy of Luciferian occultist, Madame Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine by his bedside!  From the book New Age Bible Versions.  It also says Hitler's book talked about fables of the new fifth root race of 'divine' Aryans, battling the inferior old Jewish root race, coupled with its call for the open worship of Lucifer over Jehovah. (who Blavatsky identifies as 'Satan').

Other reasons for the historical anti-Semitism throughout Europe down through the centuries include the hate by the Roman Catholic church and the age old forced conversions of Jews to Catholicism.  Then there is the historic belief that the Jews should be punished for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.  Jews have also been historically accused of trying to take over the world, the banking systems, etc.  Many false claims have been made against them.  These are some of the reasons for the persecution.  

There was also the false "blood libel" accusation in the middle ages.  This was a very harmful false allegation.

You probably know more now than most people about the reasons for anti-Semitism.

Blood libel | Anti-Semitism & Historical Context | Britannica

Estimated Number of Jews Killed in the Final Solution

The following map shows the routes that were used to ship them to the death camps.

Deportations | Holocaust Encyclopedia

One thing Canada could do, considering the increasing anti-Semitism in Canada, is have a national Holocaust remembrance day similar to the Canada's National Aboriginal Day.  It doesn't have to be a statutory holiday.  Just a recognized day.  There should also be a carefully planned national education program in schools to teach kids what happened to Jews in the past 2,000 years.

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

The Jews were expelled from many places down through history.  Even in the 20th century alone, there were many expulsions.

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20th century

1917

Jews expelled from the area of Jaffa by Ottoman authorities during World War I.

First Batch of Refugee children arrive in England from Germany

Buchenwald survivors arrive in Haifa

1933–1957

The Nazi German persecution started with the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses in 1933, reached a first climax during Kristallnacht in 1938 and culminated in the Holocaust of European Jewry. The 1938 Evian Conference, the 1943 Bermuda Conference and other attempts failed to resolve the problem of Jewish refugees, a fact widely used in Nazi propaganda.[note 2] A small number of German and Austrian Jewish refugees from Nazism emigrated to Britain, where attitudes were not necessarily positive.[54] Many of the refugees fought for Britain in the Second World War. Already before the Holocaust, by February 1940, the expulsion of Poles by Nazi Germany from occupied western Poland also targeted some 20,000 Polish Jews.[55] There was a special institution set up in 1939 to coordinate the expulsion, initially named the Special Staff for the Resettlement of Poles and Jews (Sonderstab für die Aussiedlung von Polen und Juden), soon renamed to Office for the Resettlement of Poles and Jews (Amt für Umsiedlung der Polen und Juden), and eventually to Central Bureau for Resettlement (Umwandererzentralstelle).[56] After the war, central and eastern European Holocaust survivors migrated to the western Allied-controlled part of Europe, as the Jewish society to which most of them belonged did not exist anymore. Often they were lone survivors consumed by the often futile search for other family and friends, and often unwelcome in the towns from which they came. They were known as displaced persons (also known as Sh'erit ha-Pletah) and placed in displaced persons camps, most of which were by 1951 closed. The last camp Föhrenwald was closed in 1957.

1940

During World War II, the so-called June Deportation, carried out by the Soviet Union in June and July 1940, as the fourth of five waves of mass deportations of Polish citizens from Soviet-occupied eastern Poland, also targeted some 65,000 Polish Jews who fled from the German-occupied part of Poland.[57] According to the NKVD, Polish Jews accounted for 85% of people deported in the June Deportation.[57] The victims were deported to the Altai Krai, Chelyabinsk Oblast, Irkutsk Oblast, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Novosibirsk Oblast, Omsk Oblast, Sverdlovsk Oblast and Yakutia in Siberia, and Arkhangelsk Oblast, Komi, Mari, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, Perm Oblast and Vologda Oblast in European Russia.[58]

1943–1944

Jews are expelled, their citizenship is stripped from them and they are subjected to pogroms in some Italian cities, including Rome, Verona, Florence, Pisa and Alessandria.[59]

1947–1972

Jewish refugees look out through the portholes of a ship while it is docked in the port city of Haifa.

Iraqi Jews displaced 1951.

The Exodus bringing in refugees.

In the course of the operation "Magic Carpet" (1949–1950), most of the community of Yemenite Jews (called Teimanim, about 49,000) immigrated to Israel.

The Jewish exodus from the Muslim world, in which the combined population of the Jewish communities of the Middle East and North Africa (excluding Israel) was reduced from about 900,000 in 1948 to under 8,000 today, and approximately 600,000 of them became citizens of Israel. The history of the exodus is politicized, given its proposed relevance to a final settlement to the Israeli–Palestinian peace negotiations.[60][61][62][63][64][65] When presenting the history, those who view the Jewish exodus as equivalent to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, such as the Israeli government and NGOs such as JJAC and JIMENA, emphasize "push factors", such as cases of anti-Jewish violence and forced expulsions,[60] and refer to those affected as "refugees".[60] Those who argue that the exodus does not equate to the Palestinian exodus emphasize "pull factors", such as the actions of local Jewish Agency for Israel officials aiming to fulfil the One Million Plan,[62] highlight good relations between the Jewish communities and their country's governments,[64] emphasize the impact of other push factors such as the decolonization in the Maghreb and the Suez War and Lavon Affair in Egypt,[64] and argue that many or all of those who left were not refugees.[60][62]

Then UNHCR announced in February 1957 and in July 1967, that these Jews who had fled from Arab countries "may be considered prima facie within the mandate of this office," so according them in international law, as bona fide refugees.[66]

1947

Egypt passed the Companies' Law. This law required that no less than 75% of employees of companies in Egypt must be Egyptian citizens. This law strongly affected Jews, as only about 20% of all Jews in Egypt were Egyptian citizens. The rest, although in many cases born in Egypt and living there for generations, did not hold Egyptian citizenship.

1948

State of Israel established. Antisemitism in Egypt strongly intensified. On May 15, 1948, emergency law was declared, and a royal decree forbade Egyptian citizens to leave the country without a special permit. This was applied to Jews. Hundreds of Jews were arrested and many had their property confiscated. In June through August 1948, bombs were planted in Jewish neighborhoods and Jewish businesses looted. About 250 Jews were killed or wounded by the bombs. Roughly 14,000 Jews left Egypt between 1948 and 1950.

1949

Jordan occupies and then annexes the West Bank – largely allotted by the 1947 UN Partition of Palestine to an Arab state, proposal rejected by the Arab leadership – and conducts large scale discrimination and persecution of all non-Muslim residents – Jewish, Christian (of many denominations), Druze, Circassian, etc. – and forces Arabisation of all public activity, including schools and public administration.[67]

1951–1952

During Operation Ezra and Nehemiah, ~120,000 Jews are expelled under the De-Naturalization Act of Iraqi PM Tawfeeq Al-Suwaidi.[68][69][70][71][72]

1954

Gamal Abdel Nasser seizes power in Egypt. Nasser immediately arrested many Jews who were tried on various charges, mainly for Zionist and communist activities. Jews were forced to donate large sums of money to the military. Strict supervision of Jewish enterprises was introduced; some were confiscated and others forcibly sold to the government.[better source needed]

1956

Suez Crisis. Roughly 3,000 Egyptian Jews were interned without charge in four detention camps. The government ordered thousands of Jews to leave the country within a few days, and they were not allowed to sell their property, nor to take any capital with them. The deportees were made to sign statements agreeing not to return to Egypt and transferring their property to the administration of the government. The International Red Cross helped about 8,000 stateless Jews to leave the country, taking most of them to Italy and Greece. Most of the Jews of Port Said (about 100) were smuggled to Israel by Israel agents. The system of deportation continued into 1957. Other Jews left voluntarily, after their livelihoods had been taken from them, until only 8,561 were registered in the 1957 census. The Jewish exodus continued until there were about 3,000 Jews left as of in 1967.

1962

Jews flee Algeria as result of FLN violence. The community feared that the proclamation of independence would precipitate a Muslim outburst. By the end of July 1962, 70,000 Jews had left for France and another 5,000 for Israel. It is estimated that some 80% of Algerian Jews settled in France.

1965

Situation of Jews in Algeria rapidly deteriorates. By 1969, fewer than 1,000 Jews remain. By the 1990s, the numbers had dwindled to approximately 70.[better source needed]

1967

Six-Day War. Hundreds of Egyptian Jews arrested, suffering beatings, torture, and abuse. Some were released following intervention by foreign states, especially by Spain, and were permitted to leave the country. Libyan Jews, who numbered approximately 7,000, were subjected to pogroms in which 18 were killed, prompting a mass exodus that left fewer than 100 Jews in Libya.

1968

1968 Polish political crisis forced thousands of Jews to leave communist Poland.

1970

Less than 1,000 Jews still lived in Egypt in 1970. They were given permission to leave but without their possessions. As of 1971, only 400 Jews remained in Egypt. As of 2013, only a few dozen Jews remain in Egypt. As of 2019, there were five in Cairo.[73] As of 2022 the total number of known Egyptian Jews permanently residing in Egypt is three.[74][75]

1970–1986

State-sponsored persecution in the Soviet Union prompted hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews, known as Refuseniks because they had been denied official permission to leave, to flee; most went to Israel or to the United States as refugees.[76]

1972

Idi Amin expels all Israelis from Uganda.[77]

1984–1985

10,000 Jews flee Ethiopia as part of Operation Moses and Operation Joshua.

1991

14,000 Jews flee Ethiopia as part of Operation Solomon.

21st century

2003

Last Jew left Libya.[78]

2010

Contact with last two Jews in Somalia was lost.[79]

2021

Last Jews left Afghanistan.[80]

2021

The Jewish population of Yemen decreases from 18 to six,[81][82][83] and later to five by 2024.[84]

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Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia

[herbie]

Reverting to the subject of this thread, no one in 5 pages has said how or why Canada should 'show leadership' in the Middle East or even how anyone can when neither side wishes to be "led".

 

[taxme]

41 minutes ago, herbie said:

Reverting to the subject of this thread, no one in 5 pages has said how or why Canada should 'show leadership' in the Middle East or even how anyone can when neither side wishes to be "led".

 

No country in the world gives much of a shit about what Canada thinks about anyway. Canada has pretty much become a useless player on the world scene. When our dear leader speaks, no one listens to him because the Marxist is a total dumb ass. And all of it is due to the leftist liberals and NDP socialists that have destroyed Canada with their Marxist bull chit.

Kevin O'Leary has pulled out all of his money from Canada and he will only start to bring his money back and reinvest in Canada when that hoofus-goofus in Ottawa finally packs it in. But that hoofus-goofus Marxist will never pack it in. Marxists like him are like that. They always refuse to go quietly or quit. They have to be booted out of office. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is a very sad comment.

The Jews have been the target of practically all of Europe, Russia, and probably other countries where there were any for the past nearly 2000 years.  They have been deported from countries, legislated against in various ways and driven into ghettos. 

This link gives a history of many of the expulsions of the Jews from various places.

Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia

In the early 1940s they were hunted down all over Europe where the Nazis were in control and shipped to death camps in Poland as the final solution.  They were told they were being re-settled in eastern Europe.  Approximately six million were killed by the Nazis or around 60% of the Jews in Europe.

You said in at least one previous post why were the Jews victimized.  There are several reasons for this.  As far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned, one reason was the bizarre notion of Aryan superiority and Jewish inferiority.  Some of Hitler's library material discovered by the U.S. Army showed personally marked occult books.  Hitler kept a copy of Luciferian occultist, Madame Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine by his bedside!  From the book New Age Bible Versions.  It also says Hitler's book talked about fables of the new fifth root race of 'divine' Aryans, battling the inferior old Jewish root race, coupled with its call for the open worship of Lucifer over Jehovah. (who Blavatsky identifies as 'Satan').

Other reasons for the historical anti-Semitism throughout Europe down through the centuries include the hate by the Roman Catholic church and the age old forced conversions of Jews to Catholicism.  Then there is the historic belief that the Jews should be punished for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.  Jews have also been historically accused of trying to take over the world, the banking systems, etc.  Many false claims have been made against them.  These are some of the reasons for the persecution.  

There was also the false "blood libel" accusation in the middle ages.  This was a very harmful false allegation.

You probably know more now than most people about the reasons for anti-Semitism.

Blood libel | Anti-Semitism & Historical Context | Britannica

Estimated Number of Jews Killed in the Final Solution

The following map shows the routes that were used to ship them to the death camps.

Deportations | Holocaust Encyclopedia

One thing Canada could do, considering the increasing anti-Semitism in Canada, is have a national Holocaust remembrance day similar to the Canada's National Aboriginal Day.  It doesn't have to be a statutory holiday.  Just a recognized day.  There should also be a carefully planned national education program in schools to teach kids what happened to Jews in the past 2,000 years.

 

 

 

Read a book called "The world Conquerors" if you are ever able to get your hands on a copy. It explains all has to who really ran communism in the old communist Soviet Union. Just a suggestion. 

Many historical revisionists have pretty much proving that there was no 6 million that died in the so called holocaust. They say that it was impossible to kill that many people during WW2. Not my words. The internet is full of doubts and questions as to whether the holocaust, has told by you know who, really did happen. The Jews were not the only ones that died in the concentration camps. Probably tens of thousands of gentiles also. But we never hear about them, now do we? 

The increase in anti-semitism is no doubt due to the fact that there has been tens of thousands of Arab immigrants that have immigrated to Canada in the past decade. Water and fire do not go well together. 

You say that you would like to see an Holocaust remembrance Day in Canada. Myself, I am still waiting for a White History Day to be declared in Canada. Just saying. 😇

Edited November 12, 2024 by taxme

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

Read a book called "The world Conquerors" if you are ever able to get your hands on a copy. It explains all has to who really ran communism in the old communist Soviet Union.  

I assume you mean the book tries to claim the Jews were world conquerors?  That is an old lie used as an excuse for anti-Semitism.  You have to do some studying to  understand where these lies come from.

I hope you were able to glean something from all the effort I put into giving you the history of the anti-Semitism in the world.  I learned something myself at the same time.  I guess there is some benefit to researching these things.

Edited November 12, 2024 by blackbird

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I assume you mean the book tries to claim the Jews were world conquerors?  That is an old lie used as an excuse for anti-Semitism.  You have to do some studying to  understand where these lies come from.

I hope you were able to glean something from all the effort I put into giving you the history of the anti-Semitism in the world.  I learned something myself at the same time.  I guess there is some benefit to researching these things.

Well, my source of information came from an Hungarian family that escaped from Soviet communist controlled Hungary. He told me as to who ran Hungary at the time and if anyone dared try to question and expose that, they would either be put in jail or executed. They were not my words, they were his. And i would think that he should know seeing that he lived in communist controlled Hungary. He is the one who told me about that book i mentioned above. 

What you read and wrote above does not have to mean that it is the gospel truth? How do i know as to whether what you wrote above is either fact or fiction? Even yourself is only going by what you read or were told by someone. And besides, neither you nor me really knows as to what went on during the so called holocaust because you and me were not there during that time. Just saying. 😇

[herbie]

FFS like with every thread on the site, no one wants to talk to the issue, only spew MAGA inspired gibberish

WTF does Marxism have to do with it
Or the Bible
Or even less who Kevin O'Leary is and what he thinks about finance
Trudeau Marxist, Trudeau Fascist, Trudeau Bad....

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

How do i know as to whether what you wrote above is either fact or fiction?

Well, I guess everyone must decide themselves about everything they read.  We all depend on information, reports, history books, etc. to know what happened in the world in the past.  Sometimes, you can check more than one source to verify whether something is true or not. 

I think most of the history of what happened to the Jews is pretty well common history.  I quoted some things from Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica.  You can investigate anything you want and see if it is true or not.  I can't spend hours trying to find other sources to verify what seems like pretty common information.

The Holocaust is very common and well-established history.   There are many sources of information and many graves and photos of piles of bodies.  Not many question the Holocaust.

As for Hitler's anti-Semitism, there were many publications put out during the Nazi era which clearly show the Nazi's plan to carry out the final solution.  Hitler and the Nazis had been working on this for years.  Some of the publications were propaganda designed to turn the whole country against the Jews.  Don't believe the propaganda books which attack the Jews.  

I have a book that goes into some detail about Gerhard Kittel who was one of Hitler's anti-Semite propaganda men.  I have learned some interesting yet shocking facts about him.  He was also the editor and producer of the 10 volume Greek New Testament dictionary which has been used by modern Bible translators in the production of the modern versions of the Bible.  Yet he was convicted of war crimes and went to prison.  You can Google him and find out about this.  Some of the modern Bible versions have been found to be tainted with changes that are anti-Semitic.  The Bible version issue has been one of my interests for many decades.  The only trustworthy Bible is the King James Version otherwise known as the Authorized Version.  So if you ever get a Bible, don't forget that.  It is God's written revelation to man and is entirely trustworthy.  Don't waste your life without studying it.  Become a son of God and know where you will spend eternity.  Ye must be born again.  We live in a fallen world and everyone is born with a fallen corrupt nature and needs to be redeemed.  There is a battle going on in the world between Satan and God over the souls of mankind.  Only the King James Bible can tell you in the most effective way how your soul can be saved.

Edited November 12, 2024 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, taxme said:

So, who gives a crap. Many dozens of other people have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize also. So, what's your point here? 

You're right. There are 916 holders of the Nobel prize. 216 Are Jews.  Not bad for a group that makes up 0.2% of the world population. 

On the other hand, 24% of the world's population is Muslim and a whopping 16 Muslims have won the Nobel.

18 hours ago, taxme said:

Those two outfits you mentioned above are not my friends, dummy. Where have i ever said that i supported them?

Anyone calling for a ceasefire is supporting them.

18 hours ago, taxme said:

I believe that the Muslim religion is old and ancient and needs replacing. But don't tell me that Israel is not acting like a bunch of barbarians by killing tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians who want nothing to do with Hezbollah or Hamas. 

You don't care about a bunch of Muslims killed in a war. Tons more have been killed right next door in Syria. I did a quick search to find your posts bemoaning the deaths of people in Syria and what did I find? I find you defending the Syrian regime doing the bombing! 

 

[I am Groot]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:29 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I fully support Israel in her war against the  terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah and the f*cking Islamic Republic however, I can't support the killing of over 40,000 civilians

This is like saying "I fully support the allies in their war against the Nazis, but I can't support their killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians"

The sad fact is you cannot fight a war and not kill civilians. Particularly an urban war in a crowded, built up area.

On 11/10/2024 at 12:29 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I think what they should do is to send troops into cities and towns to fight Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists instead of indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets in order to get the two terrorists hiding among twenty civilians in schools and hospitals and refugee camps hence killing all 22 people.

And you know that they do this becaaaaauuuuse....? Because Hamas says so? I don't think Hamas is a very reliable source. Nor anything affiliated with them. Indiscriminate? I don't think Israel is indiscriminately bombing anything. All their bombs are targeted at their enemies. Since Hamas deliberately locates itself in and next to hospitals, schools and mosques the Israelis have little choice. And they HAVE sent people in directly to fight Hamas. You have seen the videos, I'm sure.

 

On 11/10/2024 at 12:29 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This would have meant a lot more casualties on Israelis which they wish to avoid at the expense of civilians.

And why shouldn't they avoid their own casualties even if it means more deaths of enemy populations? The West has done so in every war. We certainly did it in WW2 and Korea and Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia certainly does so in Ukraine. 

[taxme]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:50 PM, blackbird said:

Well, I guess everyone must decide themselves about everything they read.  We all depend on information, reports, history books, etc. to know what happened in the world in the past.  Sometimes, you can check more than one source to verify whether something is true or not. 

I think most of the history of what happened to the Jews is pretty well common history.  I quoted some things from Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica.  You can investigate anything you want and see if it is true or not.  I can't spend hours trying to find other sources to verify what seems like pretty common information.

The Holocaust is very common and well-established history.   There are many sources of information and many graves and photos of piles of bodies.  Not many question the Holocaust.

As for Hitler's anti-Semitism, there were many publications put out during the Nazi era which clearly show the Nazi's plan to carry out the final solution.  Hitler and the Nazis had been working on this for years.  Some of the publications were propaganda designed to turn the whole country against the Jews.  Don't believe the propaganda books which attack the Jews.  

I have a book that goes into some detail about Gerhard Kittel who was one of Hitler's anti-Semite propaganda men.  I have learned some interesting yet shocking facts about him.  He was also the editor and producer of the 10 volume Greek New Testament dictionary which has been used by modern Bible translators in the production of the modern versions of the Bible.  Yet he was convicted of war crimes and went to prison.  You can Google him and find out about this.  Some of the modern Bible versions have been found to be tainted with changes that are anti-Semitic.  The Bible version issue has been one of my interests for many decades.  The only trustworthy Bible is the King James Version otherwise known as the Authorized Version.  So if you ever get a Bible, don't forget that.  It is God's written revelation to man and is entirely trustworthy.  Don't waste your life without studying it.  Become a son of God and know where you will spend eternity.  Ye must be born again.  We live in a fallen world and everyone is born with a fallen corrupt nature and needs to be redeemed.  There is a battle going on in the world between Satan and God over the souls of mankind.  Only the King James Bible can tell you in the most effective way how your soul can be saved.

The question to be asked here is who were the people that wrote about the history of the Jews anyway? Were they Jewish themselves that wrote about the history of the Jew? 

I am sick and tired of hearing about the holocaust almost every week. It's over. Get over it. Is the holocaust the only world event that happened in the past? The Holodomor was a big event that no one ever talks about. Many millions more Ukranians lost their lives in that historical event by the Stalinist communist regime. But for some reason we seem to not want to discuss that terrible event.  

From what i read, Hitler had many Jews working for him during WW2. Maybe the ones that Hitler despised were the Zionists ones? 

I remember reading about a quote said by Ariel Sharon of Israel where when Sharon was asked by a member of the Knesset, what will the Americans say? Sharon's words were "don't worry about America, we own them". What was that all about blackbird, uhmm? Over to you. 

[taxme]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:47 AM, I am Groot said:

You're right. There are 916 holders of the Nobel prize. 216 Are Jews.  Not bad for a group that makes up 0.2% of the world population. 

On the other hand, 24% of the world's population is Muslim and a whopping 16 Muslims have won the Nobel.

Anyone calling for a ceasefire is supporting them.

You don't care about a bunch of Muslims killed in a war. Tons more have been killed right next door in Syria. I did a quick search to find your posts bemoaning the deaths of people in Syria and what did I find? I find you defending the Syrian regime doing the bombing! 

 

But there were 700 more gentiles that have been awarded the Nobel Prize. Almost three to one. Probably many of those 216 did not even deserve to win the Nobel Prize. Probably many other gentiles were pretty much passed over for some reason. Just saying. 

A small number but good for the Muslims. But why do you want to ignore the fact that Gentiles or infidels did take most of the NP awards? I am proud of their numbers! 

Supporting them? What stupid words? Anyone calling for a cease fire truly does want a cease fire which Israel refuses to want to do. Your support of Israel says to me that you do not want to have cease fire. You appear to want more killings of Palestinians. You talk crazy, man. 

And neither do you care as to how many Muslims are killed either. Indeed, now Israel is bombing the hell in Syria. More wars to kill more people. And you support it happening. 

I have never said anything about Syria here until this post. You pro Israeli supporters of wars do like to spread bull chit and lies. If i did say something about Syria here, can you point out to me as to where i ever said that i supported Syria?

Well? 😇

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, taxme said:

The question to be asked here is who were the people that wrote about the history of the Jews anyway? Were they Jewish themselves that wrote about the history of the Jew? 

If you are talking about the books in the Old Testament that tell the history of the Jews, that was written by Hebrew (Jewish) men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God.  It was written by several dozen authors over a period of more than a thousand years ending around 400 B.C. or ending about 2,400 years ago.

The Old Testament history of Israel is recorded in detail in the historical books of the Bible.

This website is a brief outline of it.

A Brief Chronological History of Old Testament Israel | by David Norczyk | Medium

This history says in part:

"In all, Old Testament biblical history spans from Adam to John the Baptist. This is a chronological expanse of some 4,100 years with Abraham occupying the center point at roughly 2,000 years before the arrival of Jesus Messiah, the promised God-man sent from heaven to save His people from their sins (Mt 1:21)."

I don't know of any other nation which has such a long history and which began as the Jewish nation approximately 4,000 years ago.  They are also unique in the fact that their identity as a people survived the past 2,000 years while dispersed throughout the world.

Edited November 19, 2024 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you are talking about the books in the Old Testament that tell the history of the Jews, that was written by Hebrew (Jewish) men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God.  It was written by several dozen authors over a period of more than a thousand years ending around 400 B.C. or ending about 2,400 years ago.

 

 

Jesus says in John 14 that he and his Father take up residence in those who love Jesus and keep his word and that the Holy Spirit teaches them what the practicing Jew does not do.

[PIK]

On 10/29/2024 at 7:49 PM, taxme said:

We must all bend the knee to Israel. Israel is nothing more than a shitty little country out in the desert and produces and offers nothing to the world except sadness and sorrow and mayhem. What the phk is Israel really good for anyway? Anyone here able to tell me as to why Canadians and Americans have to die for Israel because that is what is going to happen if no one tries to shut Israel down soon. Israel collects billions of tax dollars from North American taxpayer's and what do we get for our tax dollars? Maybe WW3 that could be just around the corner thanks to that shitty little country.

Just saying.  

Isreal took over a shitty part of the world and build a great democracy. We will never have peace till the Iranian leadership is completely wiped out, then hamas and hezzy will die off. But be a couple yrs before Isreal could take on iran.

[BlahTheCanuck]

Israel/Palestine gets way too much attention in Canadian politics compared to much more pressing issues, partly because of the diaspora tensions surrounding it and partly because it's an American culture war import. Canada has no geopolitical interests in the Middle East, other than a negligible amount of arms exports in terms of total dollar value. I/P is not even one of the top ten deadliest conflicts in the world, lots of other conflicts around the world cause more damage and human suffering and are ignored.