The Only Patriotic Choice for President

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, User said:

  At the current rates of borrowing and spending, the people paying into the Ponzi scheme right now will not get anything when they retire. 

 

I looked this up and couldn't find a source to verify it.  This says that benefits will likely drop once the Trust fund is depleted sometime in the next 40 years.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Yakuda said:

You think the money you paid all those years was in an account waiting for you to retire? You can't be that dumb or can you? Most people get more money from social security than they paid into it over the years especially since life expectancy has increased dramatically since social security began. Wake the hell up it's a ponzi scheme bozo. 

IT IS in an ACCOUNT ON PAPER. I got a statement ACCOUNTING FOR IT every YEAR. Duh

You're like a child who paid no attention in school. Grow up.

[Yakuda]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do most people get more out of Ponzi schemes than they put in? 

That would be something. 🤔

Only when it's run by the govt that has the power to force people to participate. 

That's legalized thievery. 

 

[Yakuda]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

IT IS in an ACCOUNT ON PAPER. I got a statement ACCOUNTING FOR IT every YEAR. Duh

You're like a child who paid no attention in school. Grow up.

What you got was what your retirement pay out will be not how much is in an account for you. Good lord your slow. And how are people able to get more out then they contributed? In what universe besides inside your head does that happen? I bet you think you get interest. Is that it? 

 

You still leave cookies out for santa don't you? 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

What you got was what your retirement pay out will be not how much is in an account for you. Good lord your slow. And how are people able to get more out then they contributed? In what universe besides inside your head does that happen? I bet you think you get interest. Is that it? 

 

You still leave cookies out for santa don't you? 

The ACCOUNTING includes the payout. Duh

INSURANCE OFTEN has payouts larger than the amount paid, child.

Just like my PENSION which gives me a payout of a fixed amount monthly as long as I LIVE, which is indeterminate except as a statistical likelihood.

Do you KNOW ANYTHING about the typical retirement plan? LMAO

Keep digging your HOLE OF IGNORANCE. 💡

[User]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I looked this up and couldn't find a source to verify it.  This says that benefits will likely drop once the Trust fund is depleted sometime in the next 40 years.

There is no trust fund. That money has been borrowed from and spent. It only exists on paper. 

That article also points out that it runs out in 10 years. Not 40. 

I swear, did you even bother reading it? That was in the first damn sentence. 

It will slowly die from there. As it will never be able to cover all costs and will only stay afloat on the continued ponzi scheme of taking money from the current payers to keep covering those getting money. 

Social Security is going to implode unless 2 things happen:

We radically increase taxes (aka steal more money from those currently working)

and/or

We radically reduce benefits

Better option: We fundamentally change it all together to let people keep more of their own money to invest themselves. 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by User

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Only when it's run by the govt that has the power to force people to participate. 

That's legalized thievery. 

 

So... NOT a Ponzi then ? 🤔🤔🤔

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, User said:

There is no trust fund. That money has been borrowed from and spent. It only exists on paper. 

That article also points out that it runs out in 10 years. Not 40. 

 

If you read the whole article, which you should because it's complicated, it gives a range lower down.

 

Off that you say there's no trust, then dispute when it runs out.

 

Ok then, let's move on.  You're posting with some political axe to grind clearly.  I can't help with that because I want to look at problems and solutions.

[User]

26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you read the whole article, which you should because it's complicated, it gives a range lower down.

I did read the whole article. How would you know what it said when you missed the first sentence?

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Off that you say there's no trust, then dispute when it runs out.

This was answered in the article you claimed to have read as well. 

There is no trust with any money in it. The money has all been borrowed against. I explained this when I said it exists on paper. 

Do you need me to do some math in crayon to explain it to you?

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok then, let's move on.  You're posting with some political axe to grind clearly.  I can't help with that because I want to look at problems and solutions.

You can't even understand the problem or discuss it honestly. You got to do that first. 

[Yakuda]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

The ACCOUNTING includes the payout. Duh

INSURANCE OFTEN has payouts larger than the amount paid, child.

Just like my PENSION which gives me a payout of a fixed amount monthly as long as I LIVE, which is indeterminate except as a statistical likelihood.

Do you KNOW ANYTHING about the typical retirement plan? LMAO

Keep digging your HOLE OF IGNORANCE. 💡

You get more than what you pay in. I would tell your it stop being a dunce but it's like telling a pig not to oink 

[Yakuda]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So... NOT a Ponzi then ? 🤔🤔🤔

Nothing but a ponzi scheme. If Charles Ponzi had had the force of govt to compel generations of people to participate in his scheme  we wouldnt be having to this conversation. I like how your kind thinks govt sanitizes bull$hit 

[Rebound]

47 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

You get more than what you pay in. I would tell your it stop being a dunce but it's like telling a pig not to oink 

No. I have paid into Social Security and Medicare since the age of 15. So far, I have not received one cent. I may die before I collect any of the money I've paid in, or I may die right after retirement. The average American begins to collect Social Security at age 65 and dies on average at age 76. So that's an average of 11 years of payments after paying in for 45 to 50 years.

[Deluge]

On 9/30/2024 at 8:27 PM, robosmith said:

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Harris is a marxist and she hates America. It's why she's waving in illegal aliens and giving them free stuff while citizens deal with the crime and remain burdened by her inflation. 

[SkyHigh]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Harris is a marxist and she hates America. It's why she's waving in illegal aliens and giving them free stuff while citizens deal with the crime and remain burdened by her inflation. 

How do you define Marxist?

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, SkyHigh said:

How do you define Marxist?

Today's marxist is about hate. They hate free speech, They hate the 2nd Amendment, they hate the Constitution in general, they hate the rich, they hate the idea of a strong and entrepreneurial middle class, they hate unborn human life, they hate white conservative males, they hate Jesus Christ, they hate pretty much everything about America that they can't twist, bend or break. 

Does that help you? 

[Chrissy1979]

6 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Today's marxist is about hate. They hate free speech, They hate the 2nd Amendment, they hate the Constitution in general, they hate the rich, they hate the idea of a strong and entrepreneurial middle class, they hate unborn human life, they hate white conservative males, they hate Jesus Christ, they hate pretty much everything about America that they can't twist, bend or break. 

Does that help you? 

So when Trump says late night TV hosts, flag burners, and pro-Palestine protesters should face consequences from the government for their speech, do you blame Harris?

When Trump bans guns from his rallies, do you blame Harris for second amendment rights being infringed?

When he tries to circumvent the Constitution and get Pence to not ratify the election, do you blame Harris?

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

1. So when Trump says late night TV hosts, flag burners, and pro-Palestine protesters should face consequences from the government for their speech, do you blame Harris?

2. When Trump bans guns from his rallies, do you blame Harris for second amendment rights being infringed?

3. When he tries to circumvent the Constitution and get Pence to not ratify the election, do you blame Harris?

1. If those degenerates made direct threats of violence or harm toward Americans then I would blame Harris, because she's anti-constitutional trash and she helps breed that kind of shit. 

2. No, I would put that on Trump, but it's understandable given that two of you fruitcakes have already made attempts on his life. It's a security measure, but I still disagree with it. 

3. He didn't try to circumvent the constitution. He tried to save the constitution by calling out the election riggers. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Deluge

[Michael Hardner]

41 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Today's marxist is about hate.  

Do you subscribe to "Today's Marxist" ?  The cartoons are pretty good, I think.

Listen- words mean something.  You can't add the word "Today's" in front of something and then decide for yourself what the word means.

Yet another example of a poster who doesn't understand that opinions are not facts.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Deluge]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Do you subscribe to "Today's Marxist" ?  The cartoons are pretty good, I think.

Listen- word mean something.  You can't add the word "Today's" in front of something and then decide for yourself what the word means.

Yet another example of a poster who doesn't understand that opinions are not facts.

Marxism is diametrically opposed to just about everything the US stands for, so the definition is accurate.  

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Marxism is diametrically opposed to just about everything the US stands for, so the definition is accurate.  

You are unable to define Marxism, probably because you don't understand it.  You think it means "bad".

You add your own opinions into objective definitions.

So without building blocks for a discussion, namely definitions and facts, there is no possibility to have a conversation.

But you're not here to discuss because you have no respect for the view of others, for example Democrats.

I doubt you believe in Democracy, even if you say you do. 

[Chrissy1979]

43 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. If those degenerates made direct threats of violence or harm toward Americans then I would blame Harris, because she's anti-constitutional trash and she helps breed that kind of shit. 

2. No, I would put that on Trump, but it's understandable given that two of you fruitcakes have already made attempts on his life. It's a security measure, but I still disagree with it. 

3. He didn't try to circumvent the constitution. He tried to save the constitution by calling out the election riggers. 

He was in power and he couldn't even protect the country from election riggers? Why would you accept such weakness from a leader? That's pathetic!

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Today's marxist is about hate. They hate free speech, They hate the 2nd Amendment, they hate the Constitution in general, they hate the rich, they hate the idea of a strong and entrepreneurial middle class, they hate unborn human life, they hate white conservative males, they hate Jesus Christ, they hate pretty much everything about America that they can't twist, bend or break. 

Does that help you? 

So you don't really know what a Marxist is , you just say it's anyone that doesn't agree with your warped view of reality.

I thought as much 

[Yakuda]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

No. I have paid into Social Security and Medicare since the age of 15. So far, I have not received one cent. I may die before I collect any of the money I've paid in, or I may die right after retirement. The average American begins to collect Social Security at age 65 and dies on average at age 76. So that's an average of 11 years of payments after paying in for 45 to 50 years.

Waaaaaa if and when you start it is more likely then not that you will got more out than you put in especially since people are living much longer. 

[Deluge]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are unable to define Marxism, probably because you don't understand it.  You think it means "bad".

We all understand what Marxism is generally about. It's an offshoot of socialism, which means there is little to no private sector and the government pretty much controls everything, especially the means of production. 

What I am covering is the hate behind today's Marxist. They love big government and they hate the things I spoke about in my previous post. 

Understand? 

[Deluge]

30 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

He was in power and he couldn't even protect the country from election riggers? Why would you accept such weakness from a leader? That's pathetic!

He was in power and couldn't PREDICT that traitors would rig the election. You f*ckers caught us off guard, ChrissyCommunist. But you know how the saying goes: Fool us once, shame on you degenerates, fool us twice, shame on us patriots. 

See, what you perverts have done is undermine the trust of your fellow Americans. You've made it so that now we have to fight the enemy WITHIN our own country. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Deluge