Under the guise of pandemic preparedness, new liberal bill grants the government power to reduce your meat consumption in favor of plants

[CdnFox]

CHARLEBOIS: Is Bill C-293 Canada's 'Vegan Act'? | Toronto Sun

The bill represents an unprecedented governmental intrusion into personal dietary choices and market dynamics

Short version - the bill gives the gov't the power moving forward in a pandemic or other crisis to shut down all meat packing plants and even "Mandate" that people eat vegitable proteins only. 

Seriously, Next time it won't just be restricting where you can go, they will literally mandate what you can eat. 

The amusing thing is the lefties keep screaming that it's over, it's in the past, why still talk about it? Then they pull this crap. 

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The amusing thing

Is how deep you dig to find things that outrage you. 🤡

[ExFlyer]

Here is the Bill.

It says nothing of closing down meat packing plants or mandating people eat vegetarian.

Yes, I read it.

https://www.parl.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/bill/C-293/third-reading

 

 

[West]

If you know how to cook certain dishes ie lentils they are pretty tasty but they are just basically killing your regular diet without any real alternatives for the majority of the population. 

We deal with sick people 

[blackbird]

It doesn't have to specifically mention closing down meat packing plants, but the power is in the bill to do it.

"

l) after consultation with the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, the Minister of Industry and provincial governments, provide for measures to

• (i) reduce the risks posed by antimicrobial resistance,

• (ii) regulate commercial activities that can contribute to pandemic risk, including industrial animal agriculture,

• (iii) promote commercial activities that can help reduce pandemic risk, including the production of alternative proteins, and

• (iv) phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risk, including activities that involve high-risk species;

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[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Is how deep you dig to find things that outrage you. 🤡

I know I know, you left these can't imagine why anyone would NOT Want the government to tell them what to do  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Here is the Bill.

It says nothing of closing down meat packing plants or mandating people eat vegetarian.

Yes, I read it.

https://www.parl.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/bill/C-293/third-reading

 

 

You need to learn to read betterl

• (l) after consultation with the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, the Minister of Industry and provincial governments, provide for measures to

  • (ii) regulate commercial activities that can contribute to pandemic risk, including industrial animal agriculture,

  • (iii) promote commercial activities that can help reduce pandemic risk, including the production of alternative proteins, and

  • (iv) phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risk, including activities that involve high-risk species;

    This is pretty straight forward. in the last pandemic meat packing plants had a number of outbreaks. 

    Did you have an alternative reason why they would give themselves the power to control ANIMAL production  or phase out "HIGH RISK SPECIES"?  (and which are those exactly?)  or to control commercial activites that promote plant based protein, which is veggie burger and the like. 

     

    So yeah.  It does. 

     

     

1 hour ago, West said:

If you know how to cook certain dishes ie lentils they are pretty tasty but they are just basically killing your regular diet without any real alternatives for the majority of the population. 

We deal with sick people 

Sure, there's lots of dishes that are vegitarian that are very good.  But i'm no more interested in the gov't banning meat than i am having them require vegetarians eat it. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You need to learn to read betterl

• (l) after consultation with the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, the Minister of Industry and provincial governments, provide for measures to

  • (ii) regulate commercial activities that can contribute to pandemic risk, including industrial animal agriculture,

  • (iii) promote commercial activities that can help reduce pandemic risk, including the production of alternative proteins, and

  • (iv) phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risk, including activities that involve high-risk species;

    This is pretty straight forward. in the last pandemic meat packing plants had a number of outbreaks. 

    Did you have an alternative reason why they would give themselves the power to control ANIMAL production  or phase out "HIGH RISK SPECIES"?  (and which are those exactly?)  or to control commercial activites that promote plant based protein, which is veggie burger and the like. 

     

    So yeah.  It does. 

     

     

Sure, there's lots of dishes that are vegitarian that are very good.  But i'm no more interested in the gov't banning meat than i am having them require vegetarians eat it. 

So no it does not, if anything it "provide for measures to"

promote commercial or  regulate commercial  activities that can contribute to pandemic risk

"phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risK"

All activities that can or may be done without any emergency legislative action. in the case of another pandemic so we do not have the holdups and panic and issues we had at the last pandemic.. Emergency preparation. To prevent, so we are prepared next time. .... all to prevent, not to do.

I can read but I do not make up stuff to fit my conspiracy theories LOL Oh wait, it is you that sees conspiracy around every corner LOL

But they, you can read conspiracy into anything. That is your deal LOL

 

 

Edited September 30 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

If you haven't reduced your meat consumption over the last few years, you have too much money.
No wonder you like the Tories, you think you're a typical Canadian who can afford $25 lb beef and $15 for one chicken.

[Nefarious Banana]

"Eat moose meat. 50,000 wolves can't be wrong."

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I know I know

Good. Thats all that matters. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So no it does not, if anything it "provide for measures to"

Which mans they absolutely can control it. 

So it does. Sorry, but that's how english works. p

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romote commercial or  regulate commercial  activities that can contribute to pandemic risk

"phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risK"

All activities that can or may be done without any emergency legislative action.

 

But would then face the usual scruitiny of parliament. It would have to go through the normal process of laws and such.

If your argument is 'this changes nothing' then why do they need this law in the first place?

 

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in the case of another pandemic so we do not have the holdups and panic and issues we had at the last pandemic..

And what emergency beef panic and holdup happened then that gov't control would have solved? What law would they have used if they could have at that point?

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Emergency preparation. To prevent, so we are prepared next time. .... all to prevent, not to do.

It prevents nothing. It's just them planning to use the next crisis to further an agenda. 

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I can read

You hide it well.  

There's no conspiracy theory here.. It straight up says in the next emergency they want the ability to control "animal" food production and to push plant based protein.  That's what it says. 

So why? Expain to me how eating more tofu would have saved us during covid. 

1 hour ago, herbie said:

If you haven't reduced your meat consumption over the last few years, you have too much money.
No wonder you like the Tories, you think you're a typical Canadian who can afford $25 lb beef and $15 for one chicken.

Ohh i seeeeeee -  so this will be an emergency measure to save us money!!! Gotcha. 

Sigh. 

49 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Good. Thats all that matters. 

Exactly!

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Which mans they absolutely can control it. 

So it does. Sorry, but that's how english works. p

But would then face the usual scruitiny of parliament. It would have to go through the normal process of laws and such.

If your argument is 'this changes nothing' then why do they need this law in the first place?

 

And what emergency beef panic and holdup happened then that gov't control would have solved? What law would they have used if they could have at that point?

It prevents nothing. It's just them planning to use the next crisis to further an agenda. 

You hide it well.  

....

Sigh. 

Exactly!

A proposed bill, needs to go thorough 3 readings of parliament then on to the senate and then royal ascent....

All before the next election?? I think not.

Your conspiracy theory and paranoia runs rampant in your head. I don't hardly agree with you and you surely do not need to agree with me. Don't have another meltdown though.

Taking a opinion piece and running with it is all you  seem to be able to do. There are enough opinions on this forum to keep you occupied and you don't have to look for others LOL

All this bill is is to have a plan so the disaster that happened last time will not occur again.

Besides, the chance of another world wide pandemic occurring in our lifetimes are pretty slim so, take a soft pool noodle and beat your head (so you don't damage the few cells that are left)

Edited September 30 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

A proposed bill, needs to go thorough 3 readings of parliament then on to the senate and then royal ascent....

All before the next election?? I think not.

well for sure before the next election if it goes through at all. Seriously, the next election is a year away. There's still all of this session and all of the next session. It doesn't take THAT long to pass a bill.  If they were motivated it could be done by xmas. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Your conspiracy theory and paranoia runs rampant in your head. I don't hardly agree with you and you surely do not need to agree with me. Don't have another meltdown though.

It's nice to see you getting your money's worth out of that mirror  

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Taking a opinion piece and running with it is all you  seem to be able to do. There are enough opinions on this forum to keep you occupied and you don't have to look for others LOL

Translation - "I get SOOOOO MAD whenever you point out the libs doing something bad!!!! Raawr!!!!"

The vast majority of articles i post are about things that have already happened.  And this is a political forum, and this is a bill that's going in front of the house right now.  There's no conspiracy - that's what the bill says.  

And if you REALLY thought it was conspiracy you'd talk about why the clause is in there in the first place to show why it's legit.... but you can't, so you just attack me for bringing it up. 

Show me another country who's emergency perparation plan includes "ability to control processing of meat and powers to make people eat soy or similar plant based protein".   NOBODY in their right mind thinks that's part of a real emergency plan. 

So:

1 - if you don't like the topics i post, then start to post your own that you feel are more relevant and we can discuss those. 

2 - this is a political forum and it's pretty normal to discuss actual bills in front of parliament on a political forum. Crying like a baby that someone posts political discussions on a political forum is just silly. 

3 - it is not my fault the liberals are such a messed up group right now. I  know they're the party of your preference but right now they are a dumpster fire and you can't get mad at people for pointing that out.  On a political forum. 

 

 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Is how deep you dig to find things that outrage you. 🤡

What the Marxist traitor in Ottawa has done to Canada and Canadians does not outrage you? What the phk has the Marxist imbecile done to try and make Canada great? Of course, maybe you are one of those liberal sucks that get paid to try and help make the imbecile look good. No one in their right mind can still support that imbecile. 

So, maybe you can tell us all something that the Marxist turd has done to try and make Canada a great place to live other than try and destroy Canada? Go ahead, liberal troll punk, make your day. 🤡

[taxme]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

CHARLEBOIS: Is Bill C-293 Canada's 'Vegan Act'? | Toronto Sun

The bill represents an unprecedented governmental intrusion into personal dietary choices and market dynamics

Short version - the bill gives the gov't the power moving forward in a pandemic or other crisis to shut down all meat packing plants and even "Mandate" that people eat vegitable proteins only. 

Seriously, Next time it won't just be restricting where you can go, they will literally mandate what you can eat. 

The amusing thing is the lefties keep screaming that it's over, it's in the past, why still talk about it? Then they pull this crap. 

 

Is this place ever running with lefty liberal imbeciles. They all come on here to try and make conservatives look bad. Yet, they cannot tell us as to what the lefty liberals are good for. Judging by their replies, they must not have anything sensible or intelligent to say. Just more lefty liberal babble. 😇

[taxme]

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well for sure before the next election if it goes through at all. Seriously, the next election is a year away. There's still all of this session and all of the next session. It doesn't take THAT long to pass a bill.  If they were motivated it could be done by xmas. 

It's nice to see you getting your money's worth out of that mirror  

Translation - "I get SOOOOO MAD whenever you point out the libs doing something bad!!!! Raawr!!!!"

The vast majority of articles i post are about things that have already happened.  And this is a political forum, and this is a bill that's going in front of the house right now.  There's no conspiracy - that's what the bill says.  

And if you REALLY thought it was conspiracy you'd talk about why the clause is in there in the first place to show why it's legit.... but you can't, so you just attack me for bringing it up. 

Show me another country who's emergency perparation plan includes "ability to control processing of meat and powers to make people eat soy or similar plant based protein".   NOBODY in their right mind thinks that's part of a real emergency plan. 

So:

1 - if you don't like the topics i post, then start to post your own that you feel are more relevant and we can discuss those. 

2 - this is a political forum and it's pretty normal to discuss actual bills in front of parliament on a political forum. Crying like a baby that someone posts political discussions on a political forum is just silly. 

3 - it is not my fault the liberals are such a messed up group right now. I  know they're the party of your preference but right now they are a dumpster fire and you can't get mad at people for pointing that out.  On a political forum. 

 

 

When the government says there is no conspiracy here, that is a real sign that there is a conspiracy going on. 

1. That **** willow has nothing intelligent to say here. He just enjoys attacking anything that makes sense. But what else can we expect from just another lefty liberal troll here. 

2. I agree. He is one silly baby. 

3. The troll gets all fired up when you point out their lefty liberal failures. 

[PIK]

At least we are getting a quick start on raising grasshoppers.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, PIK said:

At least we are getting a quick start on raising grasshoppers.

Actually that's still an animal i think as far as this type is concerned.  you'll eat your soy and you'll like it young man

[PIK]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Actually that's still an animal i think as far as this type is concerned.  you'll eat your soy and you'll like it young man

Probably deer and moose before they are gone. Lol

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, PIK said:

Probably deer and moose before they are gone. Lol

Murderer   

[Guest]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Murderer   

You're so stupid I told you to kill time, and you went and got a knife. 🤡

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

well for sure before the next election if it goes through at all. Seriously, the next election is a year away. There's still all of this session and all of the next session. It doesn't take THAT long to pass a bill.  If they were motivated it could be done by xmas. 

It's nice to see you getting your money's worth out of that mirror  

Translation - "I get SOOOOO MAD whenever you point out the libs doing something bad!!!! Raawr!!!!"

The vast majority of articles i post are about things that have already happened.  And this is a political forum, and this is a bill that's going in front of the house right now.  There's no conspiracy - that's what the bill says.  

And if you REALLY thought it was conspiracy you'd talk about why the clause is in there in the first place to show why it's legit.... but you can't, so you just attack me for bringing it up. 

Show me another country who's emergency perparation plan includes "ability to control processing of meat and powers to make people eat soy or similar plant based protein".   NOBODY in their right mind thinks that's part of a real emergency plan. 

So:

1 - if you don't like the topics i post, then start to post your own that you feel are more relevant and we can discuss those. 

2 - this is a political forum and it's pretty normal to discuss actual bills in front of parliament on a political forum. Crying like a baby that someone posts political discussions on a political forum is just silly. 

3 - it is not my fault the liberals are such a messed up group right now. I  know they're the party of your preference but right now they are a dumpster fire and you can't get mad at people for pointing that out.  On a political forum. 

 

 

Maybe

And the rest of your diatribe is you being you. Everyone knows it and everyone knows you have no credibility and are good for a laugh at best.

So, keep on keeping on...you gain nothing.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're so stupid I told you to kill time, and you went and got a knife. 🤡

People like you are the reason we need instructions on tooth paste. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Maybe

Well sure if it gets called tomorrow or something then there's not enough time but it's extremely unlikely it'll be called before the next budget.  Jaggers needs him a pension  

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And the rest of your diatribe is you being you.

Intelligent. witty, factually accurate and insightful.  Agreed    

Don't hate me just because you're wrong. 

there is a reason why they're putting in specific and detailed clauses about controlling the output of animal products (rather than just 'food') and why they're putting in specific clauses about "promoting" animal proteins.  Can you name ANY OTHER country anywhere that has "promotion of animal protiens" as part of its emergency planning?

I notice you coudln't come up with a good reason for it either.