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1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Yes, a tariff makes sense IF AND WHEN an America steps up to build those $10 widgets, but not across the board on every import, including components used to build the widgets.  

Trump, like most of his ancestors, are crooks.

A crooks never succeeds at business honestly. All Trump's businesses have failed. Instead, he obtains money through underhanded means, and projects himself as a "self-made billionaire" when his Dad was constantly bailing out all his failed ventures. 

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50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well it's a question of chicken and the egg. Or I suppose more accurately if you build it they will come.

And it still leaves the issue of what china will have to do in order to get those restrictions lifted. So it depends a little on what your goal is. You may very well find that your domestic products benefit in the long run significantly, or you may find that china must give concessions to regain access to the market that are beneficial in ways that may not even be economic.

Or it could be a giant mistake and nothing comes of it that's good. Let's face it, economic sanctions are a scalpel, not a hammer. They are not always good. But the point was they're not always bad and the fact that they're being widely applied doesn't change that fact. It depends on what the end goal is and your paths to get there.

But you can't make a statement like it's going to be guaranteeing that consumers will face significant economic hardships or that it isn't a benefit to the economy in general. You'd have to know a little bit more about what he's thinking.

So you agree that Harris is right and Trump is wrong. Because Biden has already imposed steeper tariffs than Trump proposes… on Chinese electric cars.  
 

The correct approach is to assess which industries are competitive, and protect them, identify which industries are nascent, and fund them, and identify which industries are neither.

Because when you tax items we need and don’t manufacture, like neodymium magnets or cobalt, then you just increase consumer costs and you harm our own industries.  But these are subtleties which Trump doesn’t seem to get.  
 

America has exited textiles, and China isn’t very competitive because many other countries make textiles. So why tax Chinese textiles 60% and Vietnamese and Bangladesh textiles only 20%? Why tax them at all if Nike is never going to make those sneakers here? 

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Posted
4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No ignoring. I pointed out before that you're lying about it.

For example under jobs you include the covid shutdowns that trump was forced to do as if that is somehow actual job loss

Likewise you include everyone going back to work after covid as being job gains for biden

We both know that's a lie. The covid job losses weren't part of the economy.

But you're going to try and pretend that somehow trump is personally responsible for covid existing.

The fact that you have to be this dishonest proves Beyond a doubt that you are aware that you are lying. And that trump had a better record than Biden for the most part. He certainly had a much better record than Obama.

When you can get by without lies then we can have a reasonable conversation but obviously you realize you were in the wrong and that the statistics show that trump's economy pre-covid was strong and healthy

Yes, he included the job losses which were actual job losses. Were there multiple ways to deal with the Covid pandemic? Yes. Would some ways mean fewer job losses? Yes. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Rebound said:

”The economy is so bad, you can't afford eggs and bacon“, but please buy my digital cards, my Bible, my ugly sneakers, and yes, my watch too. WTF are you for real, bro 

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

 

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

No sir. 
I provided a chart of Trump’s dismal stock market performance.  It’s a clear failure, like his casinos, his airline, his steak business, and on and on. 

No... you are pushing the lie that this was Trumps... it was the Pandemic. 

Even more dishonestly, you both fault Trump for a Pandemic and then praise Biden for the recovery from the bottom of that market during the Pandemic. 

Its just a big lie. 

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1 hour ago, User said:

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

 

No... you are pushing the lie that this was Trumps... it was the Pandemic. 

Even more dishonestly, you both fault Trump for a Pandemic and then praise Biden for the recovery from the bottom of that market during the Pandemic. 

Its just a big lie. 

Not a lie. 
Excuses are like a-holes. You’re claiming the Trump economy was fantastic “except for Covid.”  Well, doesn’t work that way.  Trump was the HNIC.  It was his show.  Trump was handed a great, booming economy and Biden was handed a shattered economy.  These are facts. Biden turned the economy around and Trump put it in the toilet.  

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3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump, like most of his ancestors, are crooks.

A crooks never succeeds at business honestly.

Actually historically it's the crooks who do manage to succeed in business.

As for trump, agreed most of his businesses don't do well. On the other hand he was president of the united states and has a fairly sizable personal fortune. So he's still doing better than most.

Posted
1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Not a lie. 
Excuses are like a-holes. You’re claiming the Trump economy was fantastic “except for Covid.”  Well, doesn’t work that way.  Trump was the HNIC.  It was his show.  Trump was handed a great, booming economy and Biden was handed a shattered economy.  These are facts. Biden turned the economy around and Trump put it in the toilet.  

Funny how the three Democratic presidents in my lifetime, were all handed shit economies, and turned them around, and left with the economies prospering.

Clinton took over during the early 90s recession, and created more jobs than any president in history.

Obama took over when the US was in it's greatest recession since the 1930s, and left with the economy great.

Biden took over when the economy was in the shitter, due to Trumps' mismanagement of COVID, and now the economy is once again good. 

If one wants the economy to grow, they should vote Democratic...

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4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Funny how the three Democratic presidents in my lifetime, were all handed shit economies, and turned them around, and left with the economies prospering.

LOL most of that was caused by the dems in the first place. :) 

The great recession was 100 percent absolutely a result of the democrat policy under clinton of "everyone should have a home to call their own in America (even if they can't afford it)" and the laws they changed to make that happen. 

Even clinton said they want way too far but his democrats resisted his efforts to dial it back. 

Bush tried his hardest but with the democrats controlling the seats he was unable to do anything, till it blew up. 

Then he had to try to fix it, and ran out of time.  So obama got stuck with it.

But you want to blame that on republicans ;)  :)  :) 

Here's how things usually work (even more so in Canada). The left wing gives away goodies and treats and destroys the economy. The right gets to work and has to be the 'bad parent' and put things right and tell the kids no more candy before bed etc.  BY the time they get the mess fully cleaned up the dems swoop in and claim credit for the recovery. 

Obama's timing was just a little off. 

When times are tough, people turn to the tories. Always has been, always will be. 

 

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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL most of that was caused by the dems in the first place. :) 

The great recession was 100 percent absolutely a result of the democrat policy under clinton of "everyone should have a home to call their own in America (even if they can't afford it)" and the laws they changed to make that happen. 

Even clinton said they want way too far but his democrats resisted his efforts to dial it back. 

Bush tried his hardest but with the democrats controlling the seats he was unable to do anything, till it blew up. 

Then he had to try to fix it, and ran out of time.  So obama got stuck with it.

But you want to blame that on republicans ;)  :)  :) 

Here's how things usually work (even more so in Canada). The left wing gives away goodies and treats and destroys the economy. The right gets to work and has to be the 'bad parent' and put things right and tell the kids no more candy before bed etc.  BY the time they get the mess fully cleaned up the dems swoop in and claim credit for the recovery. 

Obama's timing was just a little off. 

When times are tough, people turn to the tories. Always has been, always will be. 

 

Bush owned the economy for seven and a half years, but you blame the banking collapse on Clinton. Uh huh.  Bush had a majority in Congress for quite a while.

And you ignore the fact that Clinton balanced the budget and Bush/Cheney decided that “we won midterms and deficits don’t matter” so the deficit blew up by trillions due to massive unfunded tax cuts and two ultra expensive wars, both of which were badly managed by the political leadership. 

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10 hours ago, Rebound said:

Not a lie. 
Excuses are like a-holes. You’re claiming the Trump economy was fantastic “except for Covid.”  Well, doesn’t work that way.  Trump was the HNIC.  It was his show.  Trump was handed a great, booming economy and Biden was handed a shattered economy.  These are facts. Biden turned the economy around and Trump put it in the toilet.  

Pointing out facts is not an excuse. 

The Trump economy was great until a global Pandemic hit. Yes, of course it works that way. You want to ignore reality and be dishonest. 

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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3 minutes ago, User said:

Pointing out facts is not an excuse. 

The Trump economy was great until a global Pandemic hit. Yes, of course it works that way. You want to ignore reality and be dishonest. 

 

They have to lie. The Brandon Harris term has been so bad that lies are all they've got.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Bush owned the economy for seven and a half years, but you blame the banking collapse on Clinton. Uh huh.  Bush had a majority in Congress for quite a while.

Bush tried desperately to change the laws regarding that to prevent the problem and got shot down each time by the dems.  Unfortunately he didn't "Own" the economy,  he needed help from the dems to pass major changes. 

So the dems blocked him, and they even blocked CLINTON, but you feel it's all bush's fault.  Ok kiddo :) 

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And you ignore the fact that Clinton balanced the budget and Bush/Cheney decided that “we won midterms and deficits don’t matter”

Didn't ignore anything at alll. That's utterly irrenelvant to the discussion. I can see why you'd want to change the subject tho ;) 

The dems created new laws and the whole 'fanny mae freddy mac" mess that lead to a massive housing bubble.  By the time bush got in it was already in full swing and would need major changes to the law to wind it down for a soft landing  and the dems blocked that. Even before he started his second term there was really nothing to be done. Any attempt to mess with it at that point would mean it would pop, so all he could do was to try to prop up the economy as best he could to help soften the landing, but in the end it was the blow to the international banking system which he didn't control that caused the crash to be as deep and wide as it was. 

The great recession was 100 percent the result of the dems and their "everyone deserves a home" policy where loans were granted as long as you even promised you WOULD look for work. never mind if you had any

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7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

They have to lie. The Brandon Harris term has been so bad that lies are all they've got.

The Biden economy was super-fantabulous-sensational if you pretend that we weren't recovering from the COVID financial crisis.

That's the way it works, right? We should all just pretend that reality isn't reality and what happened didn't really happen. The Trump economy was amazing if you ignore the parts that weren't!🤪

Posted
Just now, Hodad said:

The Biden economy was super-fantabulous-sensational if you pretend that we weren't recovering from the COVID financial crisis.

That's the way it works, right? We should all just pretend that reality isn't reality and what happened didn't really happen. The Trump economy was amazing if you ignore the parts that weren't!🤪

Brandon did not have to...

1. Open the border to 20 fckin' million illegals. That's a drain on public funds and safety.

2. Choke off oil and gas at a time when it could have made any recovery much less painful. It's a main reason for Bidinflation.

3. Print and Spend billions on a green deal.

Had he even not done even one of the above, the USA would be in better shape than it is. But Brandon just had to bend over for the Tweenkies. In doing so...he stunted the American economy.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Brandon did not have to...

1. Open the border to 20 fckin' million illegals. That's a drain on public funds and safety.

2. Choke off oil and gas at a time when it could have made any recovery much less painful. It's a main reason for Bidinflation.

3. Print and Spend billions on a green deal.

Had he even not done even one of the above, the USA would be in better shape than it is. But Brandon just had to bend over for the Tweenkies. In doing so...he stunted the American economy.

1. The "open border" is a silly myth. The border law is the border law until we can change it. and "20 million illegals" under Biden is an impossibly stupid exaggeration in no way related to reality.  There are 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants in the US total, cumulatively, from all administrations. 

2. Again, a total myth. We've had record domestic oil production under Biden and we are net energy exporters. It is economically impossible to drive up gas prices or inflation by increasing oil production. So stupid.

3. Biden did run deficits--which was completely appropriate to navigate out of a crisis. They were, however, smaller than the deficits he inherited from Trump. Which factually means that "print and spend" wend DOWN under Biden.

 

^^ all facts, plain facts that anyone can verify. 

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3 hours ago, Hodad said:

The Biden economy was super-fantabulous-sensational if you pretend that we weren't recovering from the COVID financial crisis.

That's the way it works, right? We should all just pretend that reality isn't reality and what happened didn't really happen. The Trump economy was amazing if you ignore the parts that weren't!🤪

No, you are the one who runs and hides from the truth, that Biden and the Democrats pushed through massive Trillion-dollar + spending when they took over. 

 

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1 hour ago, Hodad said:

1. The "open border" is a silly myth. The border law is the border law until we can change it. and "20 million illegals" under Biden is an impossibly stupid exaggeration in no way related to reality.  There are 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants in the US total, cumulatively, from all administrations. 

2. Again, a total myth. We've had record domestic oil production under Biden and we are net energy exporters. It is economically impossible to drive up gas prices or inflation by increasing oil production. So stupid.

3. Biden did run deficits--which was completely appropriate to navigate out of a crisis. They were, however, smaller than the deficits he inherited from Trump. Which factually means that "print and spend" wend DOWN under Biden.

 

^^ all facts, plain facts that anyone can verify. 

Here's a fact for ya Tweenkie-poo.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-released-over-435-000-migrants-with-criminal-convictions-data-shows/ar-AA1rlLXW

You'll have to excuse me for not believing a word you say. You spew forth lies from Brandon and that criminal Mayorkis. They've lied so much that they have zero credibility.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Here's a fact for ya Tweenkie-poo.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-released-over-435-000-migrants-with-criminal-convictions-data-shows/ar-AA1rlLXW

You'll have to excuse me for not believing a word you say. You spew forth lies from Brandon and that criminal Mayorkis. They've lied so much that they have zero credibility.

It's really not my concern that you "believe"me. We're talking about basic facts and figures available to everyone. 

If you want to be perceived as someone very, very stupid, keep pretending we've had 20 million illegal immigrants over the last 4 years. (Jeebus, of you're going to tell outlandish lirs, why stop there? Why not 100 million?)

Keep pretending that producing dramatically more oil drives up has prices. 

Keep pretending that Biden's deficits are awful, but Trump's larger deficit was fine. 

You have a perfect formula for becoming a brain-dead partisan lunatic.

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Posted
13 hours ago, User said:

The Trump economy was great until a global Pandemic hit. Yes, of course it works that way. You want to ignore reality and be dishonest. 

The Obama economy was great before Trump took over too.  

2 hours ago, User said:

No, you are the one who runs and hides from the truth, that Biden and the Democrats pushed through massive Trillion-dollar + spending when they took over. 

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Run from the truth.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

The Obama economy was great before Trump took over too.  

 

 

The obama economy was decent. It wasn't bad that's for sure. But trumps pre covid was slightly better when you look at all the facts

And your numbers for deficit are just plain wrong. 

As can be seen here:

U.S. government - Budget surplus or deficit 2029 | Statista

the trump pre covid deficits total 2.32 trillion. 

The biden post covid budgets totalled 4.93 trillion. 

Even if we exclude 2022 it's still more than double trumps.  In fact, the 2023 and projected 2024 is more than trumps entire pre-covid in just those two years - 3.55 trillion to trump's 2.32 

 

So. Reality check.  Yes, obama was doing ok but trump did a LITTLE better until covid.  And with less deficit spending (tho it was still bad in my books). 

Biden's deficit spending was MASSIVELY higher than trumps post covid.  Massively. It's not even close. 

 

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18 hours ago, Rebound said:

Bush owned the economy for seven and a half years, but you blame the banking collapse on Clinton. Uh huh.  Bush had a majority in Congress for quite a while.

And you ignore the fact that Clinton balanced the budget and Bush/Cheney decided that “we won midterms and deficits don’t matter” so the deficit blew up by trillions due to massive unfunded tax cuts and two ultra expensive wars, both of which were badly managed by the political leadership. 

CdnFox is not in touch with reality, or in a parallel universe, where Democrats are Republicans, and Republicans are Democrats.

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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The obama economy was decent. It wasn't bad that's for sure. But trumps pre covid was slightly better when you look at all the facts

And your numbers for deficit are just plain wrong. 

As can be seen here:

U.S. government - Budget surplus or deficit 2029 | Statista

the trump pre covid deficits total 2.32 trillion. 

The biden post covid budgets totalled 4.93 trillion. 

Even if we exclude 2022 it's still more than double trumps.  In fact, the 2023 and projected 2024 is more than trumps entire pre-covid in just those two years - 3.55 trillion to trump's 2.32 

 

So. Reality check.  Yes, obama was doing ok but trump did a LITTLE better until covid.  And with less deficit spending (tho it was still bad in my books). 

Biden's deficit spending was MASSIVELY higher than trumps post covid.  Massively. It's not even close. 

 

The thing about the national deficit is that it includes massive interest payments.  I don’t know if you’ve ever paid a mortgage, but what do you suppose the interest payment is on a trillion dollars?  The interest payments alone make the deficit swell each year if revenue and spending are flat.  

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Posted
11 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The Obama economy was great before Trump took over too.  

And? It was doing great after too. 

11 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Run from the truth.  

What truth is it you think I am running from?

Hodad was the one who ran from the reality of Democrat spending during the Biden administration that took place beyond COVID relief. 

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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On 9/30/2024 at 9:35 AM, User said:

Pointing out facts is not an excuse. 

The Trump economy was great until a global Pandemic hit. Yes, of course it works that way. You want to ignore reality and be dishonest. 

 

Again with the adjectives. 

“The economy was great” is vague. An economy is made of jobs and money, but you never quote figures, because Trump’s results sucked. 

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