Trudeau has lost the confidence of Canadians and it's time for him to call an election

[West]

CBC poll tracker has the Liberals down double digits in the polling 

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

How can this man continue to try and grasp power? 

[Aristides]

Actually Mulroney did, the Conservatives went 5 years between elections before they got wiped out in 93.

[Moonlight Graham]

25 minutes ago, West said:

How can this man continue to try and grasp power? 

Because he's selfish.

[Nefarious Banana]

Train station . . .

[CdnFox]

Those are basically the same numbers we've seen for the last 6 months. If it hasn't convinced him to do the right thing so far it's not going to anytime soon.

The liberals have always had one mantra. Stay in power as long as humanly possible. If you're in power anything might happen and you might be able to recover it, but if you give up power it's over. Trudeau was raised by one of the man who believed that more than anyone. (no, not castro. )  

And it looks like the bloc isn't going to vote for an election

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Actually Mulroney did, the Conservatives went 5 years between elections before they got wiped out in 93.

Mulroney won his first election with the largest landslide in history, a true 'double majority" (most seats AND over 50 percent of the vote), and did pretty well in his second.  

They weren't polling great but the PC weren't REALLY in trouble kill kimmy took over. 

Pretty different to right now where justin only got minorites the last two times and didn't even win the popular vote, and for over a year has polled more than 14 points behind his rivals. But he's still hanging on

 

[West]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Those are basically the same numbers we've seen for the last 6 months. If it hasn't convinced him to do the right thing so far it's not going to anytime soon.

The liberals have always had one mantra. Stay in power as long as humanly possible. If you're in power anything might happen and you might be able to recover it, but if you give up power it's over. Trudeau was raised by one of the man who believed that more than anyone. (no, not castro. )  

And it looks like the bloc isn't going to vote for an election

It's insane. Usually a minority government lasts two years. 

The irreversible damage this man has done to the country because of ego cannot be undone very quickly. 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, West said:

The irreversible damage this man has done to the country because of ego cannot be undone very quickly. 

Why not? What reason isn't there to believe Poilievre won't be cutting taxes, decimating regulations, building houses, arresting criminals, drilling for oil and putting everything that's woke back to sleep within a month?

[herbie]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why not? What reason isn't there to believe Poilievre won't be cutting taxes, decimating regulations, building houses, arresting criminals, drilling for oil and putting everything that's woke back to sleep within a month?

On they'd like to believe....

Why doesn't Poilievre shoot himself in the head for not goading everyone else into an election?
(while we're pretending fantasies are serious questions)

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, West said:

It's insane. Usually a minority government lasts two years. 

The irreversible damage this man has done to the country because of ego cannot be undone very quickly. 

Yeah. Sad but true.  It's a generational level of damage

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why not? What reason isn't there to believe Poilievre won't be cutting taxes, decimating regulations, building houses, arresting criminals, drilling for oil and putting everything that's woke back to sleep within a month?

Even if he does, the damage will still take years and years to repair.  Unfortunately Voting Woke has left us Broke  AND broken. 

The amount of damage is so severe that even if polievre does everything right from day one we'll still be decades getting everything back we've lost.  Oh  things will get better, and stop getting worse, but by the time he gets in we'll have fallen from about 6th place to about 40 in the world for quality of life, we'll have TRILLIONS in debt,  almost tripling what we started with, business has fled the country and will need time to be enticed back, and we're well over a million homes short of where we need to be, so we have to build that AND still build enough to match our population growth every year which we're not even achieving right now. 

It is very very hard to Overstate the amount of damage Trudeau and the left have done. It is simply staggering. 

Things will get better under pierre and that will start fairly quickly. But Justin has broken the very fabric of our country and that just does not fix itself overnight completely

Edited September 19, 2024 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, West said:

The irreversible damage this man has done to the country because of ego cannot be undone very quickly. 

They're already blaming the last guy for Poilievre's inability to get anything done.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're already blaming the last guy for Poilievre's inability to get anything done.

He will get lots done. But nobody's making promises to fix all of the damage you Lefty's have inflicted upon Canada

Sorry kiddo, the damage you have done is generational.

[Moonlight Graham]

I wish PP wasn't such a rightwing ideologue, especially when it comes to economics and climate change.  He also hangs out with too many chuds (sorry chuds).

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I wish PP wasn't such a rightwing ideologue, especially when it comes to economics and climate change.  He also hangs out with too many chuds (sorry chuds).

And that would be the sound of your credibility flushing down the toilet

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And that would be the sound of your credibility flushing down the toilet

Sorry chud

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sorry chud

I'm sorry did you say something? I don't generally pay attention to dung beetles

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

they'd like to believe....

Some must given the vast unchecked powers you often see being attributed to Trudeau around here. Apparently any PM can change, do away with or break any old law that takes away all your rights and money anytime they feel like. They can even have you trampled with horses and squashed with tanks if they want.

It seems to me PP will have to do at least some of the above to get things done.

Unleashing resource companies, building pipelines or tearing out menstrual product dispensers etc is sure to trigger protesters and activists across the land.

And it sure looks like the base is hoping for some payback. Expectations are running pretty high.

Edited September 20, 2024 by eyeball

[Queenmandy85]

Parliament is about to vote no confidence in Mr. Poilievre. It appears every Member of Parliament outside the CPC caucus will be voting, not to support the Government, but to express their lack of confidence in the CPC and its leader. I've known guys like Mr. Poilievre when I was active in the Progressive Conservative Student Federation in the early 1970's. Most of us grew up after university. When we went to work at the bank or law firm, or construction company, we didn't carry a briefcase full of pretend briefing papers. We left out childhood toys and fantasies behind when we left campus. Mr. Poilievre never grew up. He is still living in his "let's pretend world." Unfortunately, a year from now he will receive the instruments of office as Prime Minister and he will be forced to make grown up decisions. He will have to figure out how to handle the price on carbon. He has campaigned on the promise to "axe the tax." He will have to come up with a replacement. Premier Moe faced the same question and had to admit that the carbon tax was cheaper than any of the other alternatives. The most likely alternative is he will bring in rationing. Over the long term, transitioning to nuclear power is by far, the best solution, but that takes time and we have run out of time. We needed to do that in the 1970's. Rationing is the alternative that will bring down our carbon emissions but it is very expensive.

He will have to deal with the on going aftermath of the pandemic. He will also have the war with Russia and the impact that is having with the global economy. He will have to deal with the need to put significant funding into DND. Where will he get the money?

He will likely have to deal with a hostile American Congress and Administration. His predecessor built a multi-partisan team to successfully defend NAFTA in the last round of negotiations. Does Mr. Poilievre have the temperment to do that, considering his tendency to alienate people?

He will win a super majority next year. His honeymoon in office will be measured in hours, not months. His reality is going to be brutal.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Parliament is about to vote no confidence in Mr. Poilievre. It appears every Member of Parliament outside the CPC caucus will be voting, not to support the Government, but to express their lack of confidence in the CPC and its leader. I've known guys like Mr. Poilievre when I was active in the Progressive Conservative Student Federation in the early 1970's. Most of us grew up after university. When we went to work at the bank or law firm, or construction company, we didn't carry a briefcase full of pretend briefing papers. We left out childhood toys and fantasies behind when we left campus. Mr. Poilievre never grew up. He is still living in his "let's pretend world." Unfortunately, a year from now he will receive the instruments of office as Prime Minister and he will be forced to make grown up decisions. He will have to figure out how to handle the price on carbon. He has campaigned on the promise to "axe the tax." He will have to come up with a replacement. Premier Moe faced the same question and had to admit that the carbon tax was cheaper than any of the other alternatives. The most likely alternative is he will bring in rationing. Over the long term, transitioning to nuclear power is by far, the best solution, but that takes time and we have run out of time. We needed to do that in the 1970's. Rationing is the alternative that will bring down our carbon emissions but it is very expensive.

He will have to deal with the on going aftermath of the pandemic. He will also have the war with Russia and the impact that is having with the global economy. He will have to deal with the need to put significant funding into DND. Where will he get the money?

He will likely have to deal with a hostile American Congress and Administration. His predecessor built a multi-partisan team to successfully defend NAFTA in the last round of negotiations. Does Mr. Poilievre have the temperment to do that, considering his tendency to alienate people?

He will win a super majority next year. His honeymoon in office will be measured in hours, not months. His reality is going to be brutal.

Don't be silly. That's a ridiculous interpretation. What they're going to vote is yes to staying in power. Right now all of the others represent a balance of power in the government. They're quite aware that believer will win in a majority. So that means the block has no power. The NDP loses its power. Obviously the liberals will lose their power.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Poilievre. The liberals love power. The NDP loves having power. The block loves having power and we're very angry when the NDP tied that up.

They're not voting no confidence in Poilievre. They're voting yes to more power for as long as they can hold on to it.

[Queenmandy85]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They're not voting no confidence in Poilievre. They're voting yes to more power for as long as they can hold on to it.

Both leaders of the splinter parties have said they do not want Mr. Poilievre and to be Prime Minister.  That is a vote of non confidence in him. The NDP, the Bloc, the Greens and the Grits are all progressive parties. Why would they want a government in office that opposes everything they stand for?

As for power, nobody in Parliament is more hungry for power than Mr. Poilievre. 

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 The NDP, the Bloc, the Greens and the Grits are all progressive parties. Why would they want a government in office that opposes everything they stand for?

And what exactly do 'they' stand for?   No one seems to know.  

[Queenmandy85]

45 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

And what exactly do 'they' stand for?   No one seems to know.  

For the Bloc, they want to represent Quebecers and Quebecers don’t appear to like the CPC. 
The NDP want programs like pharmacare and dental care. If the government falls before they get Royal Accent, those programs will die. 

[Nefarious Banana]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

For the Bloc, they want to represent Quebecers and Quebecers don’t appear to like the CPC. 
The NDP want programs like pharmacare and dental care. If the government falls before they get Royal Accent, those programs will die. 

Quebec is not a part of Canada ... by their own admission.

The NDP aren't doing anything that any other party couldn't do.

Your arguements are meaningless.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

And what exactly do 'they' stand for?   No one seems to know.  

Have you seen Poilievre's platform? For a guy who's itching to have an election at the earliest opportunity you'd think he'd be itching to tell us what he stands for.