Robert F Kennedy Lays Out the Whole Start of the Ukrainian War. How Long Before He Becomes the 3rd Kennedy....?

[WestCanMan]

1992: Gorbachev offers to leave E Germany, reunifying the country, in exchange for a promise that NATO never moves east of there. James Baker accepts on behalf of the US and commits to "Not one inch past Germany"

2014: America orchestrates the overthrow of the Ukrainian gov't. A month earlier, Vitoria Nuland was recorded appointing members of the new Ukrainian gov't

2014: American-appointed gov't in Ukraine bans Russian language in Eastern Ukraine and starts committing genocide against Russian-speaking Ukrainians there. This was when the Ukrainian Nazi battalion - the Azovs - first becomes famous for committing their war crimes.

2019: American appointee Zelenski, a comedian and actor with no political experience, runs on a peace platform - promising to sign the Minsk accords along with Russia, Britain France and Germany - earning him 70% of the popular vote, and then transforms into ZelNazi: "No peace for you!" 

2019: Donbas/Luhansk region (SE Ukraine, between Russia and Crimea) votes 90% in favour of joining Russia but Putin wants Ukraine to remain a functioning country, and pushes for the Minsk accords to be signed instead.

2022: Ukraine actually signed the peace agreement with Russia, Russian troops start withdrawing, and the Biden administration sent Tony Blair to Ukraine and tells them to rip up the peace agreement. Negotiators from Turkey and Ukraine have confirmed that there was a SIGNED peace agreement. 

 

@robosmith @Rebound @ExFlyer @lefarddolthorde.... 

I'm pretty sure that a RF Kennedy knows more about this than a bunch of low-IQ dipshits who get ALL their 'info' from CNN. 

[WestCanMan]

Full interview: 

 

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

@robosmith @Rebound @ExFlyer @lefarddolthorde.... 

I'm pretty sure that a RF Kennedy knows more about this than a bunch of low-IQ dipshits who get ALL their 'info' from CNN. 

RFK? The guy that took a whale head off a beach, strapped it on his cars roof  and drove onto the city knows more???

"

describes how he watched a nearby car hit and kill a bear cub while on a day trip hunting with a falcon.

"He said he initially wanted to take the dead animal home and skin it. After his schedule changed, he decided to discard the carcass in New York City’s Central Park – along with an old bicycle, in an effort to make it look like a cycling accident."

"eposition Kennedy said doctors found a dead worm in his brain, which contributed to memory loss and mental fog. "

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Kennedy’s dark past that included an accusation that he sexually assaulted a family babysitter. Eliza Cooney alleged that in 1998, when she was 23, Kennedy came up behind her in the kitchen pantry and groped her breasts. On another occasion, a shirtless Kennedy allegedly asked her to rub lotion on his back.

The crazy part is that Kennedy did not deny the allegations. “Listen,” he responsed on a podcast, “I’ve said this from the beginning. I’m not a church boy."

and there is a lot more....

 

And you westconman are using him as credible source of information....

I think the low IQ dipshit is you.. the one that hero worships RFK and get information form him LOL

 

[User]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1992: Gorbachev offers to leave E Germany, reunifying the country, in exchange for a promise that NATO never moves east of there. James Baker accepts on behalf of the US and commits to "Not one inch past Germany"

This is bogus garbage. NATO never made any such commitment. Holy crap, this is all just one big mess of lies from there. 

Just total garbage. 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, User said:

This is bogus garbage. NATO never made any such commitment. Holy crap, this is all just one big mess of lies from there. 

Just total garbage. 

Holy crap! Your post was really short to end up being such a big mess of stupidity and lies. 

1. Get a computer
2. Get on this crazy new thing called "The internet"
3. Find a search engine like Google, Bing, MSN Search, Yahoo search, DuckDuckGo, etc, and then when you don't know anything but you really wanna say something, just enter the topic you want to talk about into the search field and voila! Info about the stuff that you knew nothing about just pops up and you can opine about it without looking like a leftard m0r0n.

For your edification: https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/documents-show-gorbachev-was-assured-us-wouldnt-ex

•  U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).

I never said that "NATO" said that. I said that James Baker said it on behalf of America, but he was not alone. 

Edited September 7 by WestCanMan

[User]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Holy crap! Your post was really short to end up being such a big mess of stupidity and lies. 

Sigh... you conspiracy theory types are all the same. You have some desire to believe everything and anything other than reality. 

You said: "in exchange for a promise that NATO never moves east of there."

James Baker had no such authority to promise that, and he even said as much afterward. A final agreement was signed after this that included no such language. It was NEVER part of any deal or commitment. 

Trying to push that in the context you did or RFK did is just total bullshit. 

 

Edited September 8 by User

[Dougie93]

30 minutes ago, User said:

This is bogus garbage. NATO never made any such commitment. Holy crap, this is all just one big mess of lies from there. 

Just total garbage.

indeed, NATO never made any promises to the Russians

since NATO is not a state

the 1949 Washington Treaty includes no sovereign authority to promise anything to Russia

I mean, I was there, on Inner German Border in 1989

and nobody forced the Warsaw Pact to collapse, that happened of their own volition

not only was America not involved, America was shocked to discover that the Soviet empire was imploding

tho I concede to being overjoyed in thinking that the Thermonuclear War wasn't apparently going to happen after all

 

[Dougie93]

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never said that "NATO" said that. I said that James Baker said it on behalf of America, but he was not alone. 

James Baker had no authority to promise anything

President Bush never promised anything

the Congress never legislated anything

the Evil Empire finally collapsed under its own weight

America  never legislating anything in the wake, not did America sign any treaties

what you are invoking, is all myth

[herbie]

It's the worm speaking. Learning how to lie and stretch facts into ridiculousness like his idol DonOld. His Daddy, Uncle and Grandad are rolling in their graves....he's the one needing a lobotomy not his Auntie...

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1992: Gorbachev offers to leave E Germany, reunifying the country, in exchange for a promise that NATO never moves east of there. James Baker accepts on behalf of the US and commits to "Not one inch past Germany"

2014: America orchestrates the overthrow of the Ukrainian gov't. A month earlier, Vitoria Nuland was recorded appointing members of the new Ukrainian gov't

2014: American-appointed gov't in Ukraine bans Russian language in Eastern Ukraine and starts committing genocide against Russian-speaking Ukrainians there. This was when the Ukrainian Nazi battalion - the Azovs - first becomes famous for committing their war crimes.

2019: American appointee Zelenski, a comedian and actor with no political experience, runs on a peace platform - promising to sign the Minsk accords along with Russia, Britain France and Germany - earning him 70% of the popular vote, and then transforms into ZelNazi: "No peace for you!" 

2019: Donbas/Luhansk region (SE Ukraine, between Russia and Crimea) votes 90% in favour of joining Russia but Putin wants Ukraine to remain a functioning country, and pushes for the Minsk accords to be signed instead.

2022: Ukraine actually signed the peace agreement with Russia, Russian troops start withdrawing, and the Biden administration sent Tony Blair to Ukraine and tells them to rip up the peace agreement. Negotiators from Turkey and Ukraine have confirmed that there was a SIGNED peace agreement. 

 

@robosmith @Rebound @ExFlyer @lefarddolthorde.... 

I'm pretty sure that a RF Kennedy knows more about this than a bunch of low-IQ dipshits who get ALL their 'info' from CNN. 

Never. You've glommed on to a nut case.

Watch Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom on Netflix if you want to know the TRUTH.

[Dougie93]

there is no doubt that America leading NATO has done things which was bound to set the Russians off

starting with the W Bush Administration withdrawing from the 1972 Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty

followed by the Obama Administration deploying Ballistic Missile Defense to Poland & Roumania

you knew that was going to break the New World Order Detente

but the Kremlin is run by officers of the KGB

so it's still the same Evil Empire, still the same adversary

but thing about the hydrogen bomb

is that is so inherently threatening

that you can never actually be friendly with the Russians

the best you can actually do is to be in a stable Cold War with them

but even in that context, once they become aggressive, challenging the Containment strategy therein

you do have to Contain them

diverting them into a proxy war in Ukraine wherein they are contained in a quagmire is how that works

that is after all what the Soviets did to us in Korea

this is called the Balance of Terror

as George Orwell said;  a "peace that is no peace" when he coined the term "Cold War"

in his essay of 19 October 1945, titled "You and the Atom Bomb"

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, User said:

 or RFK did is just total bullshit.

speaking of those Democrats

it's all about Robert Strange McNamara

as SECDEF, he sought a stabilizing paradigm at the brink of Global Thermonuclear War

he called it Mutual Vulnerability, the public calls it Mutually Assured Destruction

the problem is, none of the adversaries actually adopted it, quite the opposite

McNamara invoked that we would rid ourselves of all tactical nuclear weapons

tactical meaning "to fight" ; nuclear weapons which you planned to use, to fight & win a war

instead we would have strategic nuclear weapons in only a countervalue role

City Killers holding each others population centres hostage

but actually, things have gone in the exact opposite direction

nobody is actually willing to submit to having their populations held hostage

so the City Killers have all been retired, in favour of tactical yield warheads

all sides preparing for a preemptive counterforce theatre thermonuclear war

Cold War II in a nutshell

 

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

It's the worm speaking. Learning how to lie and stretch facts into ridiculousness like his idol DonOld. His Daddy, Uncle and Grandad are rolling in their graves....he's the one needing a lobotomy not his Auntie...

what is odd is how you leftist Progressives are so eager to force the issue

you are all ironically presenting like fearsome anti-Soviet Barry Goldwater Republicans at this juncture

what ever happened to the Peace Hippies ?

[myata]

Repeating Putin's lies. Hitler was misunderstood. Germany has the right to control the decisions and the fate of its neighbors or else.

Look here: they are advocating for the modern Hitlers, nothing less. This is all an individual with a brain and conscience needs to know about the bunch. There will be no surprises. Just cannot be.

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, myata said:

Repeating Putin's lies. Hitler was misunderstood. Germany has the right to control the decisions and the fate of its neighbors or else.

Look here: they are advocating for the modern Hitlers, nothing less. This is all an individual with a brain and conscience needs to know about the bunch. There will be no surprises. Just cannot be.

I don't subscribe to the idea that Putin is Russian Hitler

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is simply Yuri Andropov 2.0

if Putin was Hitler 2.0, he would have already launched into an all war on the high seas

tho the Kremlin doesn't seem to want to take things there at all

not that I don't think Yuri Andropov was diabolical

I would nuke Yuri Andropov into the stone age like Curtis E. LeMay in an ornery mood

but only as necessary

yet if the Kremlin is not going to escalate to all out war upon the high seas

it is not necessary

since he who rules the waves rules the world

Alfred Thayer Mahan's Eternal Seapower has the Russians encircled still

invading Ukraine is obviously a fool's errand therein

Edited September 8 by Dougie93

[myata]

54 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is simply Yuri Andropov 2.0

I think you are failing to see the factual side of it. Andropov never dared to start an open full scale war anywhere outside the tacitly agreed zone of USSR control. He also never made open threats to NATO as Putin did before invading Ukraine.

While Putin did cause serious interruptions in the international sea traffic until his naval forces were essentially defeated in the Black Sea.

Putin set out to diminish and unravel NATO, his original goal was way higher than just Ukraine. And he followed Hitler's script point by point: attack a weaker victim, see what the bystanders would do, then break them separately. Why would one want to underestimate a threat like that?

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, myata said:

Putin set out to diminish and unravel NATO, his original goal was way higher than just Ukraine. And he followed Hitler's script point by point: attack a weaker victim, see what the bystanders would do, then break them separately. Why would one want to underestimate a threat like that?

let him come then

let him test the American nuclear submarine program on the high seas

as ultimately the Germans were defeated at sea, twice, and so were the Japanese

effectively,  three naval blockades won the First & Second World Wars

so let's get it on, anytime the Kremlin is game

all this internet culture war is of little consequence

we are only going to decide this war when somebody puts a torpedo under a keel

 

[myata]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

so let's get it on, anytime the Kremlin is game

all this internet culture war is of little consequence

Not at all. Putin relies, as Hitler before him on the little slimy stooges and I couldn't care less: genuine believers; bought and paid down to their balls; or having some hook in their balls to weaken and erode the resolve and will of those who stand to him. He spends enormous, outrageous amounts of dough to keep them singing and squeaking. He needs them to have any chance of success as the very existence of his sad empire has been at stake This nothing like a small matter to shrug and dismiss away.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

Not at all. Putin relies, as Hitler before him on the little slimy stooges and I couldn't care less: genuine believers; bought and paid down to their balls; or having some hook in their balls to weaken and erode the resolve and will of those who stand to him. He spends enormous, outrageous amounts of dough to keep them singing and squeaking. He needs them to have any chance of success as the very existence of his sad empire has been at stake This nothing like a small matter to shrug and dismiss away.

well in fairness, all the Western countries backed Hitler against the Communists

Canadian Liberal Prime Minister Mackenzie-King was enthralled by Hitler

he said that Adolf Hitler was the "Joan of Arc of his people"

and even now, the Liberal Party of Canada and the NDP prefer to side with Hamas

the people who are seeking to annihilate the Jews

is Putin actually seeking to annihilate the Jews ?

far as I can see, the Russians have abandoned their pogroms against the Jews

in fact, the Russian Oligarchs actually park their money in Israeli banks

hence why Israel is not backing the Ukrainian Azov regiment to the hilt

rather Israel is taking a more neutral stance

[myata]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well in fairness, all the Western countries backed Hitler against the Communists

Canadian Liberal Prime Minister Mackenzie-King was enthralled by Hitler

Well you can't have it both ways. You either stand to Hitlers or play into their hands. Back then some may have been naive and so on, but now we don't really have excuses.

[myata]

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not backing the Ukrainian Azov regiment to the hilt

Well this is only factual: in the fall of 2021 before his invasion Putin was making ultimatums to NATO, not Ukraine. He demanded NATO to leave the Baltic states. So if Putin were to move to the Baltics, and who can say he wouldn't being understood and helped, and a U.S. and/or Canadian regiment happened to be in his way, would you be standing with them, or repeating his lies about about them? Because you can't have it both ways, as I hope you know. And if not, no naiveness or simplicity would be a valid excuse.

[Dougie93]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

Because you can't have it both ways, as I hope you know. And if not, no naiveness or simplicity would be a valid excuse.

but since the invention of hydrogen bomb, we can't actually fight World War Two all over again

hence why we are adhering George Kennan's policy of Containment

whatever evil is in Kremlin, the KGB

there are limits to how far we want to escalate

in that case, the America Firsters have a point ;

don't make this a moral crusade

as that is simply drawing you towards thermonuclear war,

even if only by misapprehension, miscalculation and/or mistake

hence what this song was about, in my youth

in 1984,  when we were all at the brink, with 50,000 thermonuclear warheads on hair trigger alert

Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while
Heaven can wait, we're only watching the skies
Hoping for the best but expecting the worst
Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?

 

Let us die young or let us live forever
We don't have the power but we never say never
Sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip
The music's for the sad men

 

Can you imagine when this race is won
Turn our golden faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we're getting in tune
The music's played by the, the mad man

 

[myata]

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

don't make this a moral crusade

as that is simply drawing you towards thermonuclear war,

Back to the Vlad's talking points? OK But wait, who's saying that standing to Vlad is the same as that scary thingy? Was it Vlad or you, sorry the connection.

And what happens if we stop standing to Vlads of this world? How do you "contain" them without standing to them? By kissing their a$$es and cowering as in the great example, recently? And the anthems and standards, all the thing of the past? You may have noticed it too, folks who stand to thugs and those who like pumping their chests they just so often happen to be different ones.

Edited September 8 by myata

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Back to the Vlad's talking points? OK But wait, who's saying that standing to Vlad is the same as that scary thingy? Was it Vlad or you, sorry the connection. And what happens if we stop standing to Vlads of this world?

well one my personal heroes is Curtis E. LeMay

and I am old now

and I have no children

so in the event of DEFCON 1

I am that sort of Cold Warrior who would turn the key

but only in the face of being overrun by Communism

and since the Russians are not Communists anymore

and since they are nowhere near to overrunning us

I am prepared to sell Ukraine down the river, in the pursuit of Detente

someone like you, a moral crusading lunatic

we'll have to put the likes of you in your place, simply by realpoltik

[I am Groot]

There was a time the United States section had intelligent discussions. Nowadays it just seems full of these batshit crazy conspiracy theories and people who love Vladimir Putin and want to change their gender so they can have his babies.