The federal government allows Canada's rail system to cause major damage to Canada.

[blackbird]

The federal government says they are urging the companies and union to sit down to reach agreement.  Nice words but they are empty and do nothing to protect Canadians.  It is obvious the parties are far apart and no agreement is in sight.  This lockout or strike should never be allowed.  This will reportedly cost the economy a billion dollars a day.  This will hurt many farmers as they cannot get their goods to market.   This will affect many other businesses and the population of Canada.

The federal government allowing this to happen and not considering this as an essential service is a complete failure.

This is not like a strike by a chain store or a saw mill somewhere.  This is a complete shutdown of the national rail system.  This should never be allowed.

The federal government is completely at fault.  This will do great harm to Canada in many ways.

Trudeau just made an announcement on the news as the shutdown just began.  He says this will do damage to various industries, businesses, and to Canada.

Yes, he admits this.   Yet what has he done to prevent it?  He is the PM and the one person that could have done something to avoid it.  In fact, the only person that could stop it from happening.  Yet he is doing nothing to stop it and force the parties to binding arbitration.  What is going on in our leader's heads?  Does he think nice words is going to resolve this and stop the shutdown?

Edited August 22, 2024 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

So, why will the union not sit down and negotiate???

You cry and whine abut government being in your shorts , now you want them there??

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, why will the union not sit down and negotiate???

You cry and whine abut government being in your shorts , now you want them there??

Did you lose your soother this morning little boy?

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did you lose your soother this morning little boy?

So you want Trudeau to dictate how things are going to be.

Did you lose you halo this morning?

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So you want Trudeau to dictate how things are going to be.

Did you lose you halo this morning?

So you don't believe in law and order. 

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you don't believe in law and order. 

Of course I believe in law and order. There's nothing illegal going on here.

[Nefarious Banana]

This is the perfect opportunity for the dipsh!t PM to truly 'show 'em' that he's the tough guy everyone knows he is . . . 'Emergencies Act'  . . .  Part II.   

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Did you lose your soother this morning little boy?

Valid question: "So, why will the union not sit down and negotiate???

Got no answer?? LOL

You don't even deflect, you  just ignore  becasue you cannot answer LOL

Again "You cry and whine abut government being in your shorts , now you want them there?? "

 

Edited August 22, 2024 by ExFlyer

[suds]

Considering all the harm this rail strike can do to our economy, perhaps it should be considered an essential service. It also impacts the U.S. as well. Maybe Trudeau's waiting for a call from patient Joe.

[herbie]

There isn't a strike. Both companies locked them out before a strike could happen.
The companies shut down Canada's rail service.

[Queenmandy85]

So, you want the government to interfere in private enterprise. That sounds like socialism. Are you becoming a socialist, Blackbird?

we have three companies negotiating a contract in a free market. Two of them are in the business of selling transport and the third is in the business of selling labour. This is how free enterprise works. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Are you becoming a socialist, Blackbird?

He's remaining a hypocrite. At least he's consistent that way.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, you want the government to interfere in private enterprise. That sounds like socialism. Are you becoming a socialist, Blackbird?

Of course not.  But I don't believe a union should be able to shut down the entire railway system for Canada.  That is anarchy and could hurt many major industries in Canada as well as millions of Canadians.  A government's job is to maintain law and order and prevent anarchy.  Doing that is not Socialism.  It is just protecting the country from serious harm and anarchy.  Surely you must understand we need a certain amount of laws and authorities to protect a country from harm.  There can be no free-for-all for unions or anyone else.  This is just common sense.

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Of course not.  But I don't believe a union should be able to shut down the entire railway system for Canada.  That is anarchy and could hurt many major industries in Canada as well as millions of Canadians.  A government's job is to maintain law and order and prevent anarchy.  Doing that is not Socialism.  It is just protecting the country from serious harm and anarchy.  Surely you must understand we need a certain amount of laws and authorities to protect a country from harm.  There can be no free-for-all for unions or anyone else.  This is just common sense.

So ya got your way.

Binding arbitration.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/news/canadian-press-newsalert-rail-shutdown-041920413.html

[Queenmandy85]

Wait a minute. The Trudeau government did what you wanted so you changed the subject? You should be rejoicing and promising to vote for the grits. 

[suds]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

There isn't a strike. Both companies locked them out before a strike could happen.
The companies shut down Canada's rail service.

If this is in response to my post, my intent wasn't to assign blame to any one side or the other. To my understanding being designated an essential service would prevent any type of work stoppage from occurring whether strike or lockout. The thing is that for a service to be designated an essential service there must be a serious threat to public health or safety if the service was interrupted.  Which may or may not be the case with the rail strike/lockout depending on how long the work stoppage lasts. Usually lockouts by companies occur when their employees while not actually on strike are in strike mode or work to rule, or in other words doing the smallest amount of work possible.

 

Edited August 22, 2024 by suds

[blackbird]

Unfortunately the federal government acted a bit late.   The Liberal cabinet minister only today directed the labour board to enact binding arbitration.  That will take days, which means the railways system could be shut down for days costing the economy billions of dollars.  We're still not sure when this will end although there is some light at the end of the tunnel.  The effects of this shutdown could affect businesses for days or even weeks.  All of this was unnecessary if the government had used some common sense and acted much sooner.  But it appears they listened to the NDP and let it go this far before doing something.

Edited August 22, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course I believe in law and order. There's nothing illegal going on here.

Technically, no, but economically, it is a potential disaster for Canada in many ways.  Governments are responsible to maintain order as well as enforce the law.  A strike of this nature would not be maintaining order and good government.  It would be anarchy and destruction.

[blackbird]

"

So believe it or not, on a theoretical level, I agree with NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh regarding the rail lockout/strike that began early Thursday morning. “CN and CPKC should still be bargaining with Teamsters Canada,” Singh said in a statement.

But Canada doesn’t have a free market for rail services. It has a duopoly in which two companies control all or most of a market.

And when those two companies are both dealing with the same union at the same time, that union can hold the entire economy hostage — and it knows it.

Canadian consumers, farmers, entrepreneurs and corporations are hostage to both the companies and the union.

The Teamsters’ timing is very strategic. The Prairie grain harvest will soon make railways maximum busy. Oil exports are rising (and despite the opening of the expanded Trans Mountain Pipeline, a lot of Canadian oil still gets to market by train).

The federal Liberal government, which could propose legislation to end the work stoppage, is hanging on by a thread provided by the union-friendly NDP, who have vowed to cut the Liberals’ thread if the government proposes a back-to-work bill.

Then there is the simple logistical fact that Parliament is in recess until the middle of next month. Even if the Trudeau government worked up the gumption to introduce strike-ending legislation, it would have to recall MPs for an emergency session, which would take days or even a week.

At a cost to businesses and farmers of more than $1 billion per day, the strike threatens an already fragile, slow-growing economy. And manufacturers, exporters, farmers, small businesses, oil producers and consumers have no ability to switch to other railways."

GUNTER: | Edmonton Sun

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, you want the government to interfere in private enterprise.

This is not a normal situation.  The article I just posted describes the problem.  There is only these two railway companies and the union has the power to shut them down and hold the whole Canadian economy hostage.  That is what is different in this labour dispute.

[Aristides]

Hate to say it but I think the government did the right thing by not interfering until they actually shut down. Companies have to realize that they can't stonewall then expect government to bail them out. After that, they had no real choice but to impose arbitration. 

Arbitration is full of unknowns for both parties, you can't predict what an arbitrator is going to impose.

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Hate to say it but I think the government did the right thing by not interfering until they actually shut down.

Why even have a shutdown of the national railway system?  What purpose does it serve?

It is foolishness to allow the whole Canadian railway system to be able to be shut down either by a lockout or a strike.

Strikes and lockouts for something like that should be illegal and every contract should be by binding arbitration.

The same should go for doctors, nurses, police, fire fighters, and other essential services.

Edited August 22, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

The problem this time was both rail lines getting shut down at the same time. This is the first time that has happened. This is what needs to be changed. If only one company is shut down, it risks losing business to the other line and the union has less leverage because the shutdown can last longer. more incentive to settle for both parties.

Edited August 23, 2024 by Aristides

[Five of swords]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

The federal government says they are urging the companies and union to sit down to reach agreement.  Nice words but they are empty and do nothing to protect Canadians.  It is obvious the parties are far apart and no agreement is in sight.  This lockout or strike should never be allowed.  This will reportedly cost the economy a billion dollars a day.  This will hurt many farmers as they cannot get their goods to market.   This will affect many other businesses and the population of Canada.

The federal government allowing this to happen and not considering this as an essential service is a complete failure.

This is not like a strike by a chain store or a saw mill somewhere.  This is a complete shutdown of the national rail system.  This should never be allowed.

The federal government is completely at fault.  This will do great harm to Canada in many ways.

Trudeau just made an announcement on the news as the shutdown just began.  He says this will do damage to various industries, businesses, and to Canada.

Yes, he admits this.   Yet what has he done to prevent it?  He is the PM and the one person that could have done something to avoid it.  In fact, the only person that could stop it from happening.  Yet he is doing nothing to stop it and force the parties to binding arbitration.  What is going on in our leader's heads?  Does he think nice words is going to resolve this and stop the shutdown?

That's kinda the whole point of a strike. If you don't like the economic damage, then maybe you should consider the demands of the people striking. Or if you don't like that, maybe you could get Chinese people to build the railroad. It isnt like it would be the first time.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

That's kinda the whole point of a strike. If you don't like the economic damage, then maybe you should consider the demands of the people striking. Or if you don't like that, maybe you could get Chinese people to build the railroad. It isnt like it would be the first time.

Sounds more like state sanctioned terrorism to me. A group of people can just hold an entire country hostage till they get their demands. I don't think so.

They wouldn't let truckers block main trade systems and roots or railways, why should we let these people. If they don't like the wage offered they can work somewhere else. Clothes shop unions should be banned to begin with, the union should have to earn a workers support it shouldn't just be automatic like that.